Toddler needs 200 stitches after dog attack
11 September 2010, 12:56 PM
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I'm all for responsible dog ownership, but good parenting is a good thing too.
11 September 2010, 01:00 PM
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Disagree with the sheep and lamp point fine, but don't drag the discussion off topic eh.
A collie could NOT have killed the child?
11 September 2010, 01:01 PM
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It will happen with all breeds at some point, but generally with bigger, more powerful one it will be worse, a Collie is a formiddable Dog and like any Dog can turn but generally they arent owned by knobbers and arent generally agressive.
11 September 2010, 01:05 PM
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Interesting thing I read a while back too, that a reportable dog bite is decided on 4 puncture wounds being present. If the dog bits bit only 2 teeth pierce the skin in the bite it's not considered a reportable dog bite incident. Not sure if that has changed.
11 September 2010, 01:10 PM
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I always thought that Collies were somewhat psychotic. I've known two and they were both somewhat unpredicatable.
But as always it is down to the owner and the understanding that the person has for the dog. My (not so little) Yorkshire Terrier doesn't like people very much and will snap but adores children and actively seeks them out to play. Strange.
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But as always it is down to the owner and the understanding that the person has for the dog. My (not so little) Yorkshire Terrier doesn't like people very much and will snap but adores children and actively seeks them out to play. Strange.
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11 September 2010, 04:13 PM
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these threads from now on should be called " another retarded owner thread" as it is always the same old. i doubt any of the "breed" haters will take any notice though.
11 September 2010, 04:27 PM
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I think people seriously under estimate the capability of most medium sized dogs. If a dog wants to hurt you badly..... It will!
The injuries here were more than likely frustration bites, hence the number of re-bites and snap snap snap. Rather than tearing and mauling to kill.
Watch any dog bite in frustration and it will usually be a series of small snaps. My male will use this technique to put the girl in her place. When they fight it's a very different matter.
A fox can kill a sheep or other sized animal, look at the jaw on them!
The injuries here were more than likely frustration bites, hence the number of re-bites and snap snap snap. Rather than tearing and mauling to kill.
Watch any dog bite in frustration and it will usually be a series of small snaps. My male will use this technique to put the girl in her place. When they fight it's a very different matter.
A fox can kill a sheep or other sized animal, look at the jaw on them!
A dog biting another dog in frustration will rarely, if ever, draw blood. And even this it is usually incidental. We have dogs around the house/garden every day from different homes and this happens all the time. Dogs will snap at each other to establish dominance, but if a dog is biting to injure it will bite to injure which would seem to be the case with this poor boy.
A fox 'could' kill a sheep if it got lucky. I live on a farm and grew up in the country and I have NEVER heard of a fox killing a sheep or a farmer complaining about it. We have a bunch of sheep on our land which we rent to a shepherd and whilst they want to keep the fox away from new born lambs, sheep are another thing altogether.
Indeed if a fox got cornered by a lambing ewe my money is on the ewe not the fox.
Back to the original I would NEVER put children near a working collie. They are far too loyal/territorial and far too likely to try and violently assert dominance based on my interactions with them over the years.
11 September 2010, 04:48 PM
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Fair play Trout, given that you have replied with more than a laugh, I have to retract my statement re sheep, but other animals, smaller shall we say, are indeed prey.
With regards to the snapping at each other not drawing blood I would disagree though for a couple of reasons. 1 some dogs have looser coats, and somewhat thicker than humans simple skin, but they can still draw blood from a simple snap, as I have seen a number of times on my own 2, who actually you would think would be much harder to pierce the skin.
Also, having had an exchange with my male Mal over a bone when in no position to be dominant, and catching him unawares, with 3 fast " get off my food" strikes he pierced the skin twice. Minor, but I was fast to move and turn the situation unlike a child.
Returning to my point to ODDBOD, the point I was making is a smaller dog, with a more pointed jaw is just as capable of killing as other dogs. Yes the bite pressure might be different etc, but we are not taking about biting bones, we are talking skin trauma and bleeding, which even a collie can cause massive harm.
Main point we both agree on I think, dogs and unsupervised or poorly supervised kids are a bad mix.
With regards to the snapping at each other not drawing blood I would disagree though for a couple of reasons. 1 some dogs have looser coats, and somewhat thicker than humans simple skin, but they can still draw blood from a simple snap, as I have seen a number of times on my own 2, who actually you would think would be much harder to pierce the skin.
Also, having had an exchange with my male Mal over a bone when in no position to be dominant, and catching him unawares, with 3 fast " get off my food" strikes he pierced the skin twice. Minor, but I was fast to move and turn the situation unlike a child.
Returning to my point to ODDBOD, the point I was making is a smaller dog, with a more pointed jaw is just as capable of killing as other dogs. Yes the bite pressure might be different etc, but we are not taking about biting bones, we are talking skin trauma and bleeding, which even a collie can cause massive harm.
Main point we both agree on I think, dogs and unsupervised or poorly supervised kids are a bad mix.
11 September 2010, 04:50 PM
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11 September 2010, 05:08 PM
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It is indeed, and there is nothing shameful about learning something or being corrected, especially when the person uses words and experience.
Maybe that's something you will one day learn too, then we will both be richer for it.
Maybe that's something you will one day learn too, then we will both be richer for it.
11 September 2010, 05:13 PM
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Snazy - fair play - but I do think that a frustration snap will do exactly what you describe, perhaps a minor puncture. But that is different from the tearing, injury type bite you see on this child. Certainly from my perspective the two are quite far apart based on my observations of dogs together and dogs and people.
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11 September 2010, 05:13 PM
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Snazy - fair play - but I do think that a frustration snap will do exactly what you describe, perhaps a minor puncture. But that is different from the tearing, injury type bite you see on this child. Certainly from my perspective the two are quite far apart based on my observations of dogs together and dogs and people.
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11 September 2010, 05:16 PM
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Thinking about farmers. They will complain bitterly about the damage foxes do to their
Eggs
Hens
Ducks
Geese
etc.
And when it comes to sheep - domestic dogs are a far bigger problem for them than foxes.
Eggs
Hens
Ducks
Geese
etc.
And when it comes to sheep - domestic dogs are a far bigger problem for them than foxes.
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11 September 2010, 05:30 PM
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Well I'd start with laws like Singapore have for now, but TBH I can't see the point of dogs anyway but realise a wholesale ban is probably infringing on freedoms too much.
11 September 2010, 05:48 PM
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The blind bloke on the other end didn't have a clue what was happening, (made me laugh, it's where my human decentcy met my sick soh) if he hadn't had someone with him i don't know what i would of done
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11 September 2010, 07:18 PM
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Id assumed a fox was only really a worry in lambing season , but anyway .
But decent sized dogs off the leash i know for sure are a farmers worst mightmare
When i was growing up we had a disused brickworks to roam backing on to public land next to the river with miles and miles of seawalls where people could set their beasts free .
But one way back to civilsation meant cuttting across a farmers field with sometimes ,sheep.
Farmer must have had enough cos one day we came across a carcass with guts out nailed to a post displaying his displeasure at people not keeping there animals under contol ,
it was there for weeks
11 September 2010, 08:04 PM
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I think this might be slightly unfair in this particular case , the animal afaik wasnt a 'killer' , the child unfortunately jus got slightly too close to an animal which had a job in mind
Id assumed a fox was only really a worry in lambing season , but anyway .
But decent sized dogs off the leash i know for sure are a farmers worst mightmare
When i was growing up we had a disused brickworks to roam backing on to public land next to the river with miles and miles of seawalls where people could set their beasts free .
But one way back to civilsation meant cuttting across a farmers field with sometimes ,sheep.
Farmer must have had enough cos one day we came across a carcass with guts out nailed to a post displaying his displeasure at people not keeping there animals under contol ,
it was there for weeks
Id assumed a fox was only really a worry in lambing season , but anyway .
But decent sized dogs off the leash i know for sure are a farmers worst mightmare
When i was growing up we had a disused brickworks to roam backing on to public land next to the river with miles and miles of seawalls where people could set their beasts free .
But one way back to civilsation meant cuttting across a farmers field with sometimes ,sheep.
Farmer must have had enough cos one day we came across a carcass with guts out nailed to a post displaying his displeasure at people not keeping there animals under contol ,
it was there for weeks
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11 September 2010, 08:41 PM
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