bighead

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Turbovin

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Need it? It makes the car behave almost like a rwd, you don't need snow to appreciate it. P1's are really nice but I would never consider one because of the lack of DCCD.

It's not a gimmick.

G-string

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My mate had a version 5 type r v ltd and found it twitchy, ok maybee because he didnt know how to fully use the dccd, as in set it up right for the rally stage that is tesco and back, but as clearly the average type r driver has given their cv in to the bbc for a recent vacancy that has come up. He drove my p1 and thought that the main difference was the sureness of mine in the bends over the twitchyness of his. Im not a rally driver but enjoy driving my p1.

chrispy200+

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Think that's down to not being that used to a more rwd bias car, I agree that the p1 is easier in that sense, driven a lot of rwd cars in my time so like the rear bias of the type R. I have to admit that 9 times out of ten the dccd isn't used and it's fully open on mine, only really make use of it when it's very wet or when it was snowy.
Not knocking the p1 at all as I think they are nice motors, just don't think that they are ever going to be that collectable, 22b is the only classic Subaru I think that will fall into that category

my06 ppp silver

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the production no. is under the bonnet. a lot are rebuilds (cat c damaged) but dont let that deter you if you are keeping it. my mate has just bought one cat c 49k excellent sevice record for 5k. lots turned this down, he is chuffed to bits. just make sure the work is done properly!

P1 LTD

Now that

BLACK V5

I like the P1 is rare comment. They made 1000. Be interesting to see how many version 5 or 6 type R` are in the country.

lammylama

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Short and sweet....ive had P1 and V4 type R......both great cars but Type R wins for me hands down......defo wouldnt buy another P1....found it too refined and boring compared to the R. Just my opinion!!

andyseston

thanks for the comments guys. will have to think twice now as you lot have made me have a headache

cheers

Ricerocket0_1

I'll second that God give me strength you guy's that know nothing My Type-R has done 75k+ miles and is still as sweet as the day it left the factory. I've still not got around to mapping it for Uk fuel
These engines only go bang when you abuse them or you don't know how to thrash them, over reving, holding them at high rev's for to long etc etc. I've had some 30 or so Scooby's and to date I have never blown one up and trust me I don't drive like a *****. If you boy's knew how to drive, the engines would last 200k miles or more?

bighead

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yes it really amaze me that people have this stigma regarding P1 engines...as you've pointed out above anyone who knows how to drive a performance car symphticly will have no trouble keeping their engines in one piece in standard trim..........its only when the engines that have been highly modded that reliabilty of engine longevity is in question .

lammylama

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IMHO its just luck of the draw with subaru engines.....i know ppl that have never blown one up and driven like total aresholes and also ppl that have wrapped theirs in cotton wool and blown theirs up . If its gonna blow,its gonna blow.....bottom line is if you cant afford the rebuild then the car is beyond your financial reach...move on and buy something you can afford to run......stop moaning about bloody engines blowing up all the time...sorry folks,thats my opinion......;-)

SamP1

spot on mate. If I wanted a rear wheel drive I wouldn't have bought a scooby.

allsop83

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[QUOTE]I've got to ask, have you ever driven a type R and played about with the DCCD ? [QUOTE]

Yes, on the 22B and never really seen or felt it's a big deal.....


All depends what you want the car for IMO, to keep standard I would have a P1 over a Type R due to the way it handles the cr@p road surfaces over here- it is just so compliant and easy to drive fast.....
But if I intended to modify it etc. then I would definately have a Type R over the P1 due to the fact the major components are all pretty much the same and any slight differences in the cars behaviors/set ups will be erased when components start to be modified/switched over.

stef_2010

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All the new ones have it so its not really a common mod...........

Yes lets base an opinion on a video from youtube, much more accurate than experiencing it first hand I've got a new set of snow tyres just waiting for the right time

Ah yes I must be dreaming when I'm at Crail on the Oval and the strip and can adjust the power to suit the conditions/my driving style and last time I checked I'm no rally driver !

stef_2010

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It's only a gimmick if:

A: You don't have it/never experienced it

B: Don't drive your car the way it was intended IMO

James7

As has been already suggested, check out the P1WOC website. Great lot of knowledgeable folk who will help you out with any questions.

I'm currently selling my P1 on the P1WOC if your interested:

http://www.p1woc.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=26644

James

chris-RB5

Right first things first, everybody who owns a p1 goes on about the handling been better over a type r. I will write this next bit in caps so every p1 owner understands THE SUSPENSION STRUTS ARE THE EXACT SAME AS THE TYPE R V5/6!!! The only thing that makes this Possible is a set of £150 eibach springs that prodrive decided to fit!!! Will come back to this subject in a bit!!!

People who think that P1's hold there value better over type R, how do you work that out??? 2 years ago when i bought my V5 type R for £7250 it has hardly lost any money in that 2 years, in fact i'd say they've gone back up in value! while at the time a P1 was fetching 11k for similar mileage is now going for 8-9K.

Well think i can judge both tbh, my best mate had a mint P1 with every upgrade going Recaro's, alcon's, 18" P wrc's from new and i drove this many a time, and not just saying this because i own a type R but the P1 felt so much more tame and no where near a drivers car as the type r.

Back to the suspension and DCCD, i've actually got complete genuine P1 shocks on my car and can safely say my car handled better than my mates, he'd still have the same old understeer going into roundabouts and no feel to the car, where as with mine you always know what the car wants to do, you can just feel the back end give u a little warning if you've pushed it a little too much and so easy to adjust/control/drift and the front wheels actually go where you point them. Think fellow type r owners will know what i'm on about!

gdaines

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Adrian at http://www.adgespeed.co.uk/ has just took a P1 in to break - sacriledge I know. Bought some bits off him this week, first time I met him and he seems a really sound bloke. Car was still complete on Tuesday but doesn't have the original engine. Looks great tho

tempop1

I had the same decision to make when i was looking for one.

Looks wise the type r just doesnt do it for me.
Performance wise i think the type r has it with shorter gear ratios
Gear ratios on the roads in the type r are short so long journeys are tiresome at high rpms

I think the trouble with prices at the moment is that a lot of people want quick sales. You wait a couple of years and very good examples of the p1 will rise. Look at cosworths.

Never experienced the dccd or a type r but i cant see why you would want a 4wd car and make it run like a rwd car. Most likely change my mind if i experienced it though!

chrispy200+

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Looks wise there is very little difference between a v5/6 type r and a p1. Completely agree that the ratios make long journeys quite tiring, had a 300 mile journey home after buying mine, if I was going to do motorway journeys I would have to change the 5th to a uk one, luckily it's just a toy that I use now and again when it's a nice day for a drive.
Some people won't like the rear bias of the type r, some will prefer the underseer to oversteer, it's one of those things that seems to be a big topic between p1 and type r owners, don't get it really, both are very nice cars at the end of the day.
As for depreciation I think that in the near on two years I've had my type r v5 I've not lost, possibly gained in value, but then I have spent about 3k on it since then

gpssti4

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So, you'd rather have a car that handles like a fwd car then?

TBH they are similar to drive unless pushing on. The average driver will feel more comfortable/confident in a p1 due to it's more forgiving nature - i.e. understeer................. and that includes most Type R owners - me included. However I bought my Type R to enjoy it like the drivers car it is, which I can do by altering the centre diff.

Oh and to all the P1 owners, I'm not knocking P1's, they're a great car. I just wanted something a little less safe feeling!

tempop1

Hehe i know your not mate. Same my way too. Type rs are a bit of a beast. Just didnt do it for me.

I have to say the understeer annoyed me to hell, but since i changed the rear anti roll bar for a 24mm one its miles better.

I guess another way to look at is is what your going to be using the car for. Track wise a would put my money on the type r being the better car due to its dccd but for a road car, IMO you need the sure footed-ness, abs that the p1 has. The exact same reason why id choose the rs4 over the m3.