Hysteria1983

I thought that children were taught religious values, not one specific religion.

My children are not a member of ANY religious group, and I don't expect them to be made to feel that Christianity, or any religion is true or real at four years of age.

My children or any child does not need religion as a basis of learning or well being, good moral values and basic judgement skills will allow them to grow, learn and understand as they go along.

Xx-IAN-xX

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Who do these loonies think they are to be forceing their beliefs on other peoples children

EddScott

Couldn't have put it better myself mate.

I have to admit I understand where Trout is coming from though. A few times when my daughter has mentioned something about God or the bible the thought has crossed my mind whether I'm completely comfortable about it. But, as Jamz3k says, if nothing else its teaching her moral values.

specialx

My 6 year old came back from his first Beavers meeting on Wednesday night ran into the living room stood to attention and said


The Beaver Scout Promise:

I promise to do my best to be kind and helpful and to love God!



It was not was I was expecting!

Geezer

Please please stop this mantra of yours that science is an offshoot of Judaism or Christianity! Observation and collection of data can be traced back over 9000 years in the Central Americas, modern science started in the middle east and really progressed with the Greeks, totally independent of those religions.

Christianity has been one of science's worse enemys at times! Putting people on trial for questioning the bible's view of the Earth is not promoting science!

Geezer

David Lock

Society in many areas seems to be breaking down with kids showing no respect for parents or appearing not to have any moral code whatsoever. I would argue that this is partly because schools (and parents) opt out of teaching decent values. If they start with a some basic Christian beliefs then this seems OK to me. The Christian code of living is not far off what we would agree is a pretty reasonable way to go through life and kids can argue about the details later. dl

specialx

I do agree with that. Any help moulding my kids when they are little has to be good. I have read a study that says when your kids get to 7 that's their moral programming done and they will not change much after that.

SiPie

What a pile of utter crap

ScoobyWon't

Bacon proves the existence of God.

Al Murray told me so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyWN5017wD8

Geezer

This is utter fallacy!

Have a look through history and you'll see that morals, crime, sexual depravity, whatever, have been as bad or worse than now. Ther was arguably a golden period from the early twentieth century for most of that century, but that was largely to to the improvements in ths standard of living (guess what caused that.......).

The Christian code? Unquestioning subservience? There are some things in there about love etc. but they are not exclusive to Christianity and certainly were not invented by them!

Geezer

zip106

Absolutely agree with this.

People spouting that morals and religion go hand in hand are talking crap.

My kids know right from wrong and whatever moral obligation is thrown at them I will tell them, without the need for me to tag 'because it says so in the Bible/Koran, any other story (delete as approp.)' on the end.

Teaching moralities is down to the parents and the parents alone, not any religion.

All imho.

David Lock

So Geezer you feel that society, and kids in particular, is no worse today in moral terms in this country than it has been in the last 50 years or so say? I have grown up in this period and I think the situation has worsened and partly because schools and parents do not instill decent values into their children. d

David Lock

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People spouting that morals and religion go hand in hand are talking crap.

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Clearly courtesy did not feature in your own upbringing

dl

Gregsti01

iTrader: (1)

Totally agree,there will always a problem when children who have very little learning have children themselves.American influence letting chilren do what they want,I forcast this at the end of the 60s when I were a lad !

Gregsti01

iTrader: (1)

This man should be UK religious advisor to the government

Myles

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And to love Cod. That is what they say isn't it, like Harold be thy name?

Miniman

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My kids came home with a tooth that had fallen out and had been told that the tooth fairy will come and collect it.

Geez, they indoctrinate these kids early don't they? As far as I understand this carries on for several years while their milk teeth fall out and each time they are told that there is a real tooth fairy. Not only that we parents are expected to join in the charade by encouraging them to leave the tooth out and putting money under their pillow.

I cannot believe that they are teaching this bullsh*t to young minds. I'm sure my kids will grow up to be 20 and never utilise their own minds to investigate and realise the truth.

I have put a copy of A Brief History Of Time under their pillows instead. With a note that I need it read and understood within a month (they'll be a test)

And at Christmas I shall be leaving nothing on the side to teach them that Santa isn't real either.

I intend to wage a campaign all over the country, we must not have people spreading these lies to our children with their fallible minds.

Frosticles

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There is a HUGE difference here. Santa and the Tooth fairy are not taught in schools as being "Fact" and Undeniable Truth.
The teachings of the Bible (Storybook, Just like "The Gruffalo") are being taught in our schools as "FACT" This is wrong IMO. My daughter was told in school that when it rains it is God crying................. This is dangerous as the people teaching our children actually believe this nonsense

Trout

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So we live in a Christian Society and yet the general view is that the very same Society is breaking down.

It would seem to be then that teaching Christianity may not be achieving the goal of a moral society then.

Why not teach Hinduism or Buddhism - Hindu and Buddhist societies seem to have a strong moral code, particularly Buddhists.

Or why can't they just teach a good moral code and then when they are a little older to discuss how different belief systems provide the source of a good moral code.

Jamz3k

By saying the Bible is a storybook, are you trying to say its made up? If so prove it? Can you even prove your own beliefs, be it spiritual or scientific?

jonc

...and thus forms the first steps of a religion, write it all down in a book, preach it to your children, encourage them to spread this to other children and give them copies of this book. They will add to it and so will their children's children over a thousand years or so, hey presto, you have a bible.

Frosticles

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More to the point, Can you Prove that he did????? I will give you everything I have in the world if you can without any doubt whatsoever.

For a single entity to create the Universe and everything in it is just plain impossible. Then it goes back to "Who created the Entity"??

Trout

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That is utter rubbish!!



















The Gruffalo is MUCH better

Myles

iTrader: (40)

What are you saying, the Gruffalo isnt true?

My daughter has very small milk incisors and managed to swallow the first tooth to fall out! She asked me how the tooth fairy would get it, and I told her to write a note to explain, and the fairy would probably just fly up her @rse to get it.

Trout

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At the last Census the number one religion in one UK town (Brighton I think) is listed as Jedi!

So there you go - in a 1,000 years time George Lucas will be God and his disciples the Jedi.

I'm in!

Trout

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At the last Census the number one religion in one UK town (Brighton I think) is listed as Jedi!

So there you go - in a 1,000 years time George Lucas will be God and his disciples the Jedi.

I'm in!

Jamz3k

Maybe they aren't achieving their goal because parents are now so pre-occupied with their own beliefs that they aren't willing to let children figure it out for themselves and in doing so stunting the growth of Christianity. How can a child learn morals from school(via teachings from the Bible) if by the time they get home and speak to their parents, they are told what they have just learnt is complete bollocks?

markjmd

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To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, in some ways religious indoctrination of young kids might actually do them more long-term harm than sex abuse.

Far better to just avoid both completely though, to be on the safe side.

Myles

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And he has a beard, all the boxes are ticked!

AbbasSTI

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Take the simplest of objects, a pen for example. Consider how it came into creation, we know the pen has a creator (it didn't make itself). We know the person (or company) who made the pen had intelligence(understanding of how to make ink and plastic etc). The maker of the pen had a will to make it& it was created with a purpose.
Take this same logic and apply it to the whole of creation.