Frosticles

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Most certainly it is made up. The Bible was written 40 odd years after the supposed death of Christ. How on earth is this going to be an exact recolection of his life etc?? (Even if he did exist)

I don't have beliefs, I only deal in fact. If something is proven without a shadow of doubt then yes, I will believe it. If not, Then I will always be sceptical.

If anyone could show me that God/Jesus did what has been rather entertainingly written down (Countless times over the centuries an no doubt amended to suit the writer at the time) Without a shadow of a doubt then, I would acknowledge it. BUT, This will never happen will it????????

Jamz3k

What facts do you deal with?

SPEN555

PMSL!

and I bet you celebrate christmas

Frosticles

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Sorry but, Have you been drinking???

So, If this is the case, Who is the creator of the creator then?

SPEN555

So are you saying that stickman called Bic is actually God?

Frosticles

iTrader: (1)

The Earth is a sphere, The Universe is Unimaginably big. The Sun gives us our energy. GOD Did not create the Earth!!!! To name but a few.

Frosticles

iTrader: (1)

Christmas is now in the hands of Multinational Companies getting the humble human to buy their products in the name of religion.......
Christmas to the vast majority of people has no religious bearing whatsoever nowadays. It's all about Money.

Money is the new God.

Jamz3k

Have you seen the Earth as a Sphere with your own eyes, Have you measured the circumference of the Earth or have you read it in a book, seen it on TV or have you taken the belief of others as FACT, just as factually the Earth used to be flat?

Can you prove God did not create the Earth? Even some of the most revered scienists will not completely deny the God factor but you will?

Trout

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I am guessing that I would be a candidate for your comments? We haven't told him what he has learned is complete bollocks. We listened to what he had to share and that is it.

Teaching a four year old that God made the World is VERY different from drawing moral stories from Jesus, Buddha or Mohammed for example.

Personally I am very confident that there was a preacher called Jesus and that he taught some amazing lessons. That does not mean that I have to believe he was the son of God however or that I think that the same beliefs are taught in Reception as fact.


This is a truly arrogant statement that attributes creation to the human perception of creation. Whatever the universe is, our limited intelligence can only guess at.

What I love about Judeo-Christian belief is that man created God in his own image.

Frosticles

iTrader: (1)

[QUOTE=Jamz3k;9605020]Have you seen the Earth as a Sphere with your own eyes, Have you measured the circumference of the Earth or have you read it in a book, seen it on TV or have you taken the belief of others as FACT, just as factually the Earth used to be flat?[QUOTE]

The earth is spherical full stop. Gravity sees to this. Sorry, but, you are now talking dogbob.

More to the point, Can you prove he did??? (Will await your reply eagerly)

Trout

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I have indeed flown right around the earth and certainly flown high enough to see the earths curvature.

Based on the speed of the planes I can guess that the circumference of the earth is about right

As for 'Flat Earth' most civilisations have worked out that the Earth is round - the whole Flat Earth thing is hugely overplayed.

Jamz3k

Trout - I'm sceptical of God but just because I don't believe in it, I'm not willing to mock it or deny it. I only know what others have told me, what i've read and my own comprehensions of what i've seen. I've been taught in the past what an Animal cell is made up with, I don't have the ability to question it so I don't and I take the same line with God or any other religious belief.

I seen christianity as a stepping stone for a childs mind, its starts the thinking process. Your son/daughter knows that God created Earth today what will they know tomorrow?

djandyg

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Meh i couldnt be bothered to read through every post from the beginning...

...but im openly a christian, was brought up in a christian family etc etc....but theyre came a time in my life when id grown up a bit where i needed to find things out for myself an make my own decisions etc, to which took a while but now at the age of 23 i still have my firm beliefs (I dont use the term 'religious' because 'religion' is just a term for a set of rules, which is not what its all about)

Anyway the point i just wanted to make was, that despite what he's brought up to believe, there will come the time in life when he'll need to question it and figure it all out for himself and make his own decision based on what he believes \

Regards,
Andy

Trout

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Good God man! That must be one of the wisest and most sensible posts ever on Scoobynet.

If we all go down this path this will end up like the Porsche Club of Great Britain BBS. Dull!

Jamz3k

No i'm not talking dogbob, Trout has told me how he knows the Earth is round because he has flown around the world and now knows its fact, you have told me nothing I can't read in a book.

So i've asked you to prove God didn't make the Earth and your retort is prove that he did? I can't prove it, just in the same way you can't prove he did not.

Trout

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And in reality I totally agree and we will let it run. Nonetheless it was a shock when he came home and said it!

Frosticles

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I too have flown around the world many, many times and agree that you can see it's curvature. (I can't believe we are having this conversation)

You are right on the proof thing But, There is more proof to suggest that the earth wasn't made by a single entity than there is for it.
The only "Proof" that God made the Earth comes from an old storybook. There are scientific facts that are almost concluding the creation of the Earth.

Jamz3k

There really isn't much scientific fact Frost, only theory and theory changes as humanity progresses. Much in the same way as Religion.

zip106

[QUOTE=David Lock;9604911]I utterly utterly resent that, David.

Clearly, you don't know me or how well my parents bought me up, and in making that statement you're obviously questioning my parents abilities.

And that is something I will not tolerate.

Frosticles

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The main difference is, Science is open to new idea's, Theories etc. Religion is usually just "A Closed Book" and reluctant to accept change.

Hysteria1983

Wow, these religion threads always turn into a debate!

I don't see why people seem to think that being taught about religion will have any major effect at such a young age, especially when children are being taught specific things such as what Trout outlines.

I am all for religion, however I don't expect my children to do as I did, I want them to have the chance to understand many cultures and religions. I don't want them to have to conform to a specific thinking only to feel they then have convert to another in the future.

A child can have a religious studies lesson, and still be a brat, but chances are that it's more about the upbringing of the child rather than the fact they ate religious or not.

Chances are my children may choose the Christian faith, and I will be happy with that, but I wouldn't expect them to beleive things like Jesus was the son of God, or God created the world, when there is so much more to understand. It isn't as simple as them just learning it. They need to have the intelligence and maturity to understand the bigger picture.

Hysteria1983

Wow, these religion threads always turn into a debate!

I don't see why people seem to think that being taught about religion will have any major effect at such a young age, especially when children are being taught specific things such as what Trout outlines.

I am all for religion, however I don't expect my children to do as I did, I want them to have the chance to understand many cultures and religions. I don't want them to have to conform to a specific thinking only to feel they then have convert to another in the future.

A child can have a religious studies lesson, and still ne a brat, but chances are that it's mire about the upbringing of the child rather than the fact they ate religious or not.

Chances are my children may choose the Christian faith, and I will be happy with that, but I wouldn't expect them to beleive things like Jesus was the son of God, or God created the world, when there is so much more to understand. It isn't as simple as them just learning it. They need to have the intelligence and maturity to understand the bigger picture.

Geezer

This gets peddled out again and again, but simply isn't so. Much of modern physics is theory (backed up by solid maths, it has to be said though), but there is a huge amount of established fact. An awful lot of that is contrary to the bible.

What say you to that?

Geezer

Geezer

Re-read my post

Geezer

Jamz3k

What is there to say, Man has created a way of understanding the world around him based on his intrepretation so factually its true?

jonc

Christmas has it origins from the Pagan and nothing to do with the birth of Jesus but coinsides with the winter solstice. No one knows for for sure the date of his birth though most historians believe this to be around September. I don't celebrate the birth of Jesus, but I celebrate at Christmas because it's a time when all the family get together and give presents to each other, eat lots of food and generally everybody has a jolly good time and nobody has to work.

Trout

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Lots of Indians who work in/for the west have a holiday at Christmas too!

Miniman

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I wouldn't say that physics is contrary to what the bible teaches. However I would say that modern physics calls into dispute the apparent miracles that occur in the bible.

But that's not to say that I have not seen modern day medical miracles (people presumed dead waking in morgues, people with broken backs told they'll never walk again), or physical miracles (making planes or the Statue of Liberty disappear) or bushes suddenly turning into fire. The type of things that the Bible says happened.

Now that's not to say that the Bible is full of magicians, but to simply dismiss the events of the Bible never occurring just because physics says it can't would bring into question how modern magicians can do some of these feats (which clearly they can do otherwise what did I see on telly). I doubt people turn up to Penn and Teller and simply shout "Physics says you can't do that" for 1.5 hours of one of their shows.

HPLovecraft

Facts and theories are entirely different things. Facts do not go away or change while scientists discuss various theories or models that fit the observed facts. There are no facts which support the idea of a supernatural creator.

FlightMan

Sorry but you don't get away that easily. You made the statement God did NOT create the world. Your emphasis not mine!
You seem pretty sure you're correct and know something no-one else on this planet does. So prove it.

Personally I think it's just as plausible that the universe was created by Frostie The Snowman as it was by God, but my mind is open on the matter.