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15 October 2010, 04:55 PM
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I'm not asking you to renounce Islam, I'm asking you to state that you are apposed to Islamism.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam...edirected=true
Do you subscribe to Liberal Democracy, for example, and if so would you feel able to announce the fact publicly? My guess is that you'll avoid giving a clear and concise answer to the question, buddy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam...edirected=true
Do you subscribe to Liberal Democracy, for example, and if so would you feel able to announce the fact publicly? My guess is that you'll avoid giving a clear and concise answer to the question, buddy.
Who rattled your cage?? Buddy..
I make my own mind up about all aspects of life. I will not be told what to do by a so called religion, instead I do what makes sense to me and my morality.
For a more definitive answer go ask around in Bradford..lol!
15 October 2010, 05:05 PM
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Agenda? Reasons? For goodness sake chaps, why can we not talk explicitly about this stuff? It is Islamism that's being discussed, the idea that Islam is all encompassing and that the Qu'ran should be the source of Law, Economics, Education and so forth.
23:1: "Successful indeed are the believers";[41] Sura 9:14 "Fight them and God will punish them at your hands ... God will make you victorious over them"; Qu'ran 22:40: "God will certainly aid those who aid His (cause): for verily God is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might."
Who is this fight against?
23:1: "Successful indeed are the believers";[41] Sura 9:14 "Fight them and God will punish them at your hands ... God will make you victorious over them"; Qu'ran 22:40: "God will certainly aid those who aid His (cause): for verily God is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might."
Who is this fight against?
You forgot to add this bit.
You cant just pull a few verses out the the Qur'an & ask a rhetorical question without even reading the whole Qur'an & understanding the full story as another verse in the Qur'an will have the question for your answers. The fight is not against humans & 100% not phisycal.
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15 October 2010, 05:08 PM
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I want the name of the anti-Islamist Muslim movement so that when engaging they can state their allegiance to this, rather than rolling out the usual 'peacful religion' statement.
Shame on the appeasers; they spit in the face of the NATO forces who defend them while they sleep.
15 October 2010, 05:19 PM
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"While God has not yet determined those among you who fight [in His way] and take none as close associates except God, His messenger and the believers? [Remember that] God is aware of all your actions"
You forgot to add this bit.
You cant just pull a few verses out the the Qur'an & ask a rhetorical question without even reading the whole Qur'an & understanding the full story as another verse in the Qur'an will have the question for your answers. The fight is not against humans & 100% not phisycal.
You forgot to add this bit.
You cant just pull a few verses out the the Qur'an & ask a rhetorical question without even reading the whole Qur'an & understanding the full story as another verse in the Qur'an will have the question for your answers. The fight is not against humans & 100% not phisycal.
15 October 2010, 05:35 PM
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If Muslims want to live in this country, that's fine by me. I draw the line at nonsense like this though:
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
15 October 2010, 05:40 PM
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Would you be prepared to share those that you support to help bring us together in peace and avoid all this conflict? I am happy to answer explicitly, unequivocally and without the alledged concealment of a kafir, any questions that you ask of me, Sir.
15 October 2010, 05:50 PM
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If Muslims want to live in this country, that's fine by me. I draw the line at nonsense like this though:
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
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15 October 2010, 05:52 PM
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If Muslims want to live in this country, that's fine by me. I draw the line at nonsense like this though:
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
to temper this
The pope and catholic faith do not believe in abortion and more importantly contraception and happily advise against its use in the third world where aids is rife. In addition other countries where parents cannot afford to feed or look after their children contraception is seen and goes against the Catholic church. This is the leader of the church and his minions who enforces this not an extremist element!
I do not have it in for the Catholics church or indeed Islam but there is much wrong with some of the ideology and those who spread the word!
Religion and some of those who claim to represent God have a lot to answer for!!!
15 October 2010, 05:55 PM
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15 October 2010, 05:56 PM
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Interpreting holy texts is a bit like a couple of decades ago when people were causing fuss about hidden messages in song lyrics etc. You'll hear or read what you want to hear or read.
15 October 2010, 06:01 PM
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Anyway, your answer? Will you be the first?
15 October 2010, 06:06 PM
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Another nutter and does this reflect the whole of Islam i wonder.
to temper this
The pope and catholic faith do not believe in abortion and more importantly contraception and happily advise against its use in the third world where aids is rife. In addition other countries where parents cannot afford to feed or look after their children contraception is seen and goes against the Catholic church. This is the leader of the church and his minions who enforces this not an extremist element!
I do not have it in for the Catholics church or indeed Islam but there is much wrong with some of the ideology and those who spread the word!
Religion and some of those who claim to represent God have a lot to answer for!!!
to temper this
The pope and catholic faith do not believe in abortion and more importantly contraception and happily advise against its use in the third world where aids is rife. In addition other countries where parents cannot afford to feed or look after their children contraception is seen and goes against the Catholic church. This is the leader of the church and his minions who enforces this not an extremist element!
I do not have it in for the Catholics church or indeed Islam but there is much wrong with some of the ideology and those who spread the word!
Religion and some of those who claim to represent God have a lot to answer for!!!
Is not using a condom or whatever a question of personal choice?
15 October 2010, 06:13 PM
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Taken in the round, the Catholic faith is responsible for far more death and hardship today than extreme Islam could ever claim credit for.
15 October 2010, 06:14 PM
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Yes. Deadly. I assert that within this country there is a hidden hand (no longer a visible hook) perpetuating gradual Islamification. Those who appease it are guilty of ideolgical treason and will be proven so with time. Whilst once a source of ready intelligence, tolerance now constitutes apathy.
Islamic Sharia Council in Britain <---------
Wake up and smell the roses, Martyn.
Islamic Sharia Council in Britain <---------
Wake up and smell the roses, Martyn.
15 October 2010, 06:19 PM
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Yes. Deadly. I assert that within this country there is a hidden hand (no longer a visible hook) perpetuating gradual Islamification. Those who appease it are guilty of ideolgical treason and will be proven so with time. Whilst once a source of ready intelligence, tolerance now constitutes apathy.
Islamic Sharia Council in Britain <---------
Wake up and smell the roses, Martyn.
Islamic Sharia Council in Britain <---------
Wake up and smell the roses, Martyn.
First you say it's Mohammed leading the way, now you blame some unrepresentative Islamic Council
I fear that you are part of the problem here
15 October 2010, 06:21 PM
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15 October 2010, 06:24 PM
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Alladin, I propose you drop the sunnah of answering on other people's behalf and adopt the sunnah of courtesy. I'm sure your prophet would agree. Now please either answer my question or politely decline, do not ignore it.
15 October 2010, 06:26 PM
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Islamic sharia council of britain shouldnt be allowed to exist, its values are contradictory to the west and should be kept in the east where it belongs.
Lets set up a "**** up and bacon sarnie" council of Iraq and see what happens, they wouldnt be as tolerant, thats for sure.
They stick up for their principles so why cant we?
Lets set up a "**** up and bacon sarnie" council of Iraq and see what happens, they wouldnt be as tolerant, thats for sure.
They stick up for their principles so why cant we?
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15 October 2010, 06:26 PM
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Double post of gayness, why cant the lobsterman replicate this?
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15 October 2010, 06:30 PM
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Lets set up a "**** up and bacon sarnie" council of Iraq and see what happens, they wouldnt be as tolerant, thats for sure.
Back on form I see
They stick up for their principles so why cant we?
Who said we can't?
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15 October 2010, 06:30 PM
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This is strawman. Muhammad is sovereign, the council is indicative of gradual Islamification which, inturn, is a symptom of Islamism.
15 October 2010, 06:35 PM
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15 October 2010, 06:39 PM
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