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15 October 2010, 06:42 PM
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Who did'nt have blood on their hands in the middle ages?
15 October 2010, 06:44 PM
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15 October 2010, 06:45 PM
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We both know this will never happen... it's a lovely theoretical argument, but completely overwhelmed by logic
15 October 2010, 06:51 PM
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I work in Lonon, and have serveral Muslim friends and colleagues, the relevance to this discussion is limited of course
15 October 2010, 06:55 PM
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If Muslims want to live in this country, that's fine by me. I draw the line at nonsense like this though:
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric
A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html
Spousal rape was not considered a crime until relatively recently in many countries, England included.
15 October 2010, 06:59 PM
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15 October 2010, 07:04 PM
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15 October 2010, 07:04 PM
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You can see how the system is also trying to appease the muslim community with things like banning Wilders from showing his film etc and the effect of Iraq policy and policy towards Israel being gauged on the Muslim communities pleasure or displeasure.
15 October 2010, 07:06 PM
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Insurance fraud
Benefit fraud
compensation fraud
illegal immigrants
******* trying to instill this sharia law bollocks
need i go on?
15 October 2010, 07:07 PM
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We already have sharia being incorporated into civil law.
You can see how the system is also trying to appease the muslim community with things like banning Wilders from showing his film etc and the effect of Iraq policy and policy towards Israel being gauged on the Muslim communities pleasure or displeasure.
You can see how the system is also trying to appease the muslim community with things like banning Wilders from showing his film etc and the effect of Iraq policy and policy towards Israel being gauged on the Muslim communities pleasure or displeasure.
1.5 million Muslims - 60 million non-muslims
Explain how it going to happen?
15 October 2010, 07:07 PM
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15 October 2010, 07:10 PM
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Do you support securalism?
15 October 2010, 07:12 PM
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15 October 2010, 07:13 PM
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15 October 2010, 07:16 PM
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Not all Communists agreed on doctrine (Leninists vs Trotskites?) but still they took power in the USSR.
15 October 2010, 07:18 PM
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15 October 2010, 07:20 PM
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It's not a conspiracy, the aims of the Islamist groups are fairly transparent in the generalities at least. Like I said the largest is the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.
Not all Communists agreed on doctrine (Leninists vs Trotskites?) but still they took power in the USSR.
Not all Communists agreed on doctrine (Leninists vs Trotskites?) but still they took power in the USSR.
15 October 2010, 07:23 PM
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Hmm I was talking about the idea that a 'movement' can be fractured yet still achieve a goal, not debating if the Russian revolution was a mass movement or not, it was in fact a minority urban proletariat who took power in a largely rural country and besides it became power by an elite nomenclature.
15 October 2010, 07:24 PM
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15 October 2010, 07:40 PM
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http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...hitchens200706
When I lived in Plymouth (where I also studied Politics and Sociology) I was unaware of a Muslim influence either on that city or my country. I held very liberal, tolerant views. When I returned in the summer just past, I witnessed a very different landscape. Last year the two months spent in Glasgow and the two in Slough made me feel, at times, like a foreigner in my own land. Tribal instinct? Probably. But here's the thing: I have yet to speak with a Muslim who will appose the fundamental tenets of Islamism and I view this as a threat to our way of life. The threat grows with the population.
1% radicals? Terrifying!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece
15 October 2010, 07:43 PM
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I've heard the above thousands of times in most threads to do with Islam & the same could be said about any other area as crime is every where no matter who commits it. However that area is only targeted for one reason only. Never the less if 10% of that 90% is corrupted this does not mean the rest of the 80% is also corrupted.
Further more about illegal immigrants
ermm you might just be living next to one who your paying for via taxes & wow what a life that immigrant has!
15 October 2010, 07:45 PM
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Ok. I've attached an article which I recalled from a few years back:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...hitchens200706
When I lived in Plymouth (where I also studied Politics and Sociology) I was unaware of a Muslim influence either on that city or my country. I held very liberal, tolerant views. When I returned in the summer just past, I witnessed a very different landscape. Last year the two months spent in Glasgow and the two in Slough made me feel, at times, like a foreigner in my own land. Tribal instinct? Probably. But here's the thing: I have yet to speak with a Muslim who will appose the fundamental tenets of Islamism and I view this as a threat to our way of life. The threat grows with the population.
1% radicals? Terrifying!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...hitchens200706
When I lived in Plymouth (where I also studied Politics and Sociology) I was unaware of a Muslim influence either on that city or my country. I held very liberal, tolerant views. When I returned in the summer just past, I witnessed a very different landscape. Last year the two months spent in Glasgow and the two in Slough made me feel, at times, like a foreigner in my own land. Tribal instinct? Probably. But here's the thing: I have yet to speak with a Muslim who will appose the fundamental tenets of Islamism and I view this as a threat to our way of life. The threat grows with the population.
1% radicals? Terrifying!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece
What I am certain of though is that there is ZERO chance of the UK becoming an Islamic state, and all the scare mongering is done by people with their own, not so hidden agendas
Have you thought through my question yet?
15 October 2010, 08:10 PM
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I assert the gradual Islamification of our island via an Islamist agenda, not the forming of an Islamic state via traditional revolution. It's logical and the evidence to support my position is overwhelming. I am opposed to it on the grounds that it is apposed to the Enlightenment thinking to which I am allied.