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Old 15 November 2010, 11:20 AM
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Can we slide this one in at post #89.5.

The information comes from a very experienced and respected source. A source that could most probably do a better job of the handbook.

Any conscientious owner with a ounce of common wouldn't argue the toss over £25 of V-Power that you are going to use anyway. But log the information, bear it in mind and try to employ it whenever possible.

All IMHO ofcouse.
Old 15 November 2010, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by APIDavid
I doubt if we ever see a car in for rebuild with more than 1/2 a tank in it.
David

I'm not doubting your experience and evidence on this, but come on, at the rate this things use fuel the tank is never full for long is it.
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Originally Posted by arumdevil
I'm not doubting your experience and evidence on this, but come on, at the rate this things use fuel the tank is never full for long is it.

The fuel consumption rate is controlled by the nut behind the wheel.

What I am saying is: Don't drive it hard on a low fuel level.............
Old 15 November 2010, 11:57 AM
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I know mate I was just being pedantic
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Originally Posted by arumdevil
I know mate I was just being pedantic
You wanna be careful using words starting ped....... you might get a lynch mob coming around.
Old 15 November 2010, 12:10 PM
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touché
Old 15 November 2010, 12:11 PM
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Sorry if I have missed it in the thread, but is there no redress here against the seller?

Not quite fit for purpose if it doesnt get you home without needing an engine...... or was it a private sale?
Old 15 November 2010, 12:15 PM
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It drove perfectly for 10 hours, would be very hard to blame the seller.
Old 15 November 2010, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by N_Scooby
It drove perfectly for 10 hours, would be very hard to blame the seller.
I disagree provided that the seller was trade there should be some trading standards / consumer rights protection here.

The item sold must be fit for purpose.

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/bef.../dealer#named2

When you buy goods from a trader, you enter into a legally binding contract governed by the Sale of Goods Act 1979, as amended by the Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994 and the Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002. If you buy a used car from a trader it must be of satisfactory quality, fit for the purpose, and as described. Obviously a very old car with a high mileage will not be as good as a newer car with a low mileage, but it should still be fit for use on the road, in a condition which reflects its age and price, and reliable.

Traders cannot take away consumers rights by using terms such as ‘sold as seen’. Your legal rights are reduced if you buy a car from a private seller or an auction. If you buy a used car via the internet, you may have additional rights under the Distance Selling Regulations.

If you have a problem with a used car, you have a short time after buying it to reject the car. If the fault was present when you bought the car, you do have other remedies such as repair or replacement. It is recommended you always follow up complaints with the details in writing, and keep copies of all correspondence. As a last resort, you may need to consider taking court action. Remember, used cars may have some faults, but they should not be excessive. Fair wear and tear is not considered to be a fault.
But if it was a private sale then you have to assume the previous owner knew nothing and therefore bears no liability.

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Old 15 November 2010, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by APIDavid
No it's not in the handbook. But research here and at other tuners has thrown up the fact that almost all of the cars that arrive with a blown bottom end, have NO FUEL in them. We sometimes do not have enough to even run the car for 1/2 an hour whilst it is warming up after the new engine is fitted. I doubt if we ever see a car in for rebuild with more than 1/2 a tank in it.

It wouldn't look good in a ' handbook ' [ who reads them anyway ] to say that the engine might fail if you run low of fuel. Not a great publicity plus point.

David
Valid point made there. I am harping on about the handbook when I only read it AFTER I have a problem! LOL. I still didn't realise about the low fuel issue though until read just here. Now I am gonna spend more on fuel cus I will be filling up more often! (flame suit activated, sarcasm head removed!)
Old 15 November 2010, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDaSS
Valid point made there. I am harping on about the handbook when I only read it AFTER I have a problem! LOL. I still didn't realise about the low fuel issue though until read just here. Now I am gonna spend more on fuel cus I will be filling up more often! (flame suit activated, sarcasm head removed!)

Sssssssh ! Don't tell too many people Companies like APi thrive on customers who break their engines and don't know why

Old 15 November 2010, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobLou
Can putting in BP Ultimate really knacker the engine!

I always run mine on V-Power as thats what its been mapped for but didn't realise putting in different petrol could cause the above!

These cars really are sensitive flowers.
As mentioned Vpower is 99RON. BP ultimate is 97RON.

If you have a UK spec car, mapping it for Vpower will have removed any safety margin that the original map had if the car used a lower octane (RON) fuel (or gets a duff tank of Vpower). Unless the car is setup with two user-switchable maps. The person who mapped the car should have warned you about this.

If its a unmodified UK car and not been remapped then its not aproblem, except for two exceptions; The P1 and the 22B, as they are essentially rebadged JDM cars intended to run on 100RON fuel; these exceptions really do need remapping for a lesser quality fuel.

In any case, if the MAF sensor's accuracy starts to deteriorate, then it will eventually cause the engine to fail, regardless of fuel.

Originally Posted by APIDavid
Sssssssh ! Don't tell too many people Companies like APi thrive on customers who break their engines and don't know why

As for cars with no fuel in. Its in the Subaru owner's mantra NEVER to hand the keys of their car to a garage with more than a litre of fuel, in fear that it will be taken for a joyride. They must think mechanics are stupid you know...Did it ever occurr to them that'll just they disconnect the speedometer and put their own fuel in (95RON) and drain out whats left afterwards? Thats why they often blow up after being serviced.

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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Its in the Subaru owner's mantra NEVER to hand the keys of their car to a garage with more than a litre of fuel, in fear that it will be taken for a joyride. Mechanics aren't stupid you know...they disconnect the speedometer and put their own fuel in (95RON) and drain out whats left afterwards. Thats why they blow up after being serviced.
This is so true, however the opposite applies to any fuel they leave in a courtesy car - its yours!
Old 15 November 2010, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by APIDavid
No it's not in the handbook.



It wouldn't look good in a ' handbook ' [ who reads them anyway ] to say that the engine might fail if you run low of fuel. Not a great publicity plus point.

David
So, combined with no recommendation to pre-fill the oil filter, the hanbook could be responsible for a fair bit of damage over the years!!

JohnD (I always read handbooks in fact, I reckon Haynes manuals should replace the Gidian Bible in hotel rooms!)
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As for cars with no fuel in. Its in the Subaru owner's mantra NEVER to hand the keys of their car to a garage with more than a litre of fuel, in fear that it will be taken for a joyride. They must think mechanics are stupid you know...Did it ever occurr to them that'll just they disconnect the speedometer and put their own fuel in (95RON) and drain out whats left afterwards? Thats why they often blow up after being serviced.

That's a bit of a leap of imagination.

There are plenty of reasons why Scoobs blow their engines after a service and mechanics disconnecting the speedo, [ which will put the cel on and limit the car to 4000 rpm ] putting in fuel to rag it around the block and then draining it out after is too silly to believe.

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Originally Posted by JohnD
So, combined with no recommendation to pre-fill the oil filter, the hanbook could be responsible for a fair bit of damage over the years!!

JohnD (I always read handbooks in fact, I reckon Haynes manuals should replace the Gidian Bible in hotel rooms!)

Or toilet paper in some cases.
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Originally Posted by APIDavid
As for cars with no fuel in. Its in the Subaru owner's mantra NEVER to hand the keys of their car to a garage with more than a litre of fuel, in fear that it will be taken for a joyride. They must think mechanics are stupid you know...Did it ever occurr to them that'll just they disconnect the speedometer and put their own fuel in (95RON) and drain out whats left afterwards? Thats why they often blow up after being serviced.

That's a bit of a leap of imagination.

There are plenty of reasons why Scoobs blow their engines after a service and mechanics disconnecting the speedo, [ which will put the cel on and limit the car to 4000 rpm ] putting in fuel to rag it around the block and then draining it out after is too silly to believe.

David APi

Dammit Dave, take off your serious hat.
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Dammit Dave, take off your serious hat.
Trouble is people believe stuff like that.

I did miss the sarcasm and it has been a long day and I am getting on a bit.



But I don't retract a word about Haynes manuals.............
Old 15 November 2010, 05:45 PM
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and neither should you
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Originally Posted by APIDavid


But I don't retract a word about Haynes manuals.............

Maybe it's just as well they don't do one for the Impreza!

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I have one for the legacy. It's actually pretty thorough and a lot more useful than others I've had in the past.
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