Originally Posted by bigarf

6 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.

Originally Posted by P20SPD

Jeez Arf, how laggy is that! Took me a while to twig, but the graph scaling makes it look like it has bucket loads under the graph, but its all top end stuf. Bet its great on the strip, but you have to work the box on the road.

Originally Posted by P20SPD

Jeez Arf, how laggy is that! Took me a while to twig, but the graph scaling makes it look like it has bucket loads under the graph, but its all top end stuf. Bet its great on the strip, but you have to work the box on the road.

Originally Posted by bigarf

havn't had the chance to get it on the strip yet,so wouldnt know.but no its not laggy at all on the road,yes if i'm tootling along in 6th on the motorway then i would have to drop down into 5th if i wanted a sudden burst as with all cars running a 6 speed box and a turbo of that size.if you look at the graph its making 300bhp/340lb torque at only 4500 rpm which is more than a lot of cars top end figure.also at only 1000rpm more its making 540bhp/500lb torque and you have to remember its only a 2.1.i suppose for all the people out there, I dont know how to drive a car and only ever reach 3000rpm before they change gear then yes it may well seem a little laggy,but it doesnt matter what gear i'm in whether it be 3rd,4th or 5th. if i'm not already on boost (which i normally am),all i need is one gearchange down and beleive me its not laggy.

Originally Posted by Mike L

1 Mike Latimer - 750bhp 560ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2.25 bar boost, VECS heads Cosworth cams (Did not last too well 3 track days and 4500 Miles, to be investgated maby user error that broke it.) (Made 701 on V power too) Home Built
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)

Originally Posted by dannytwo

Surely we should be basing this on how long the actual car lasts at said bhp?

As I'm sure there has been some really high figures put out,but maybe never actuall left the rollers in on piece!

Originally Posted by Dan W

I agree.
I am always curious to know how long high BHP engines last.
It would be useful if there was something in the brackets to indicate if the car is used every day or just comes out to play once in a while.

Also how many miles per week they average. I think this type of info is extremely valuable to those who are learning about how to up the power.

We can get some idea of the durability of certain parts, any weaknesses etc.

It would be nice to know what parts fail and why.

Sorry chaps, just tell me to bugger off.

Originally Posted by Dan W

I agree.
I am always curious to know how long high BHP engines last.
It would be useful if there was something in the brackets to indicate if the car is used every day or just comes out to play once in a while.

Also how many miles per week they average. I think this type of info is extremely valuable to those who are learning about how to up the power.

We can get some idea of the durability of certain parts, any weaknesses etc.

It would be nice to know what parts fail and why.

Sorry chaps, just tell me to bugger off.

Originally Posted by P20SPD

Jeez Arf, how laggy is that! Took me a while to twig, but the graph scaling makes it look like it has bucket loads under the graph, but its all top end stuf. Bet its great on the strip, but you have to work the box on the road.

Originally Posted by P20SPD

Jeez Arf, how laggy is that! Took me a while to twig, but the graph scaling makes it look like it has bucket loads under the graph, but its all top end stuf. Bet its great on the strip, but you have to work the box on the road.

Originally Posted by dunx

IMHO the mapping is superb, it just pulls from idle to the red-line in one huge "shove". I'm a fan.

dunx

Originally Posted by stevebt

I thought you were at Scoobyshoot out 6th gear Arf mine is at full boost at around 3800rpm

Originally Posted by Mike L

1 Mike Latimer - 750bhp 560ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2.25 bar boost, VECS heads Cosworth cams (Did not last too well 3 track days and 4500 Miles, to be investgated maby user error that broke it.) (Made 701 on V power too) Home Built
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
BURNS - 427 bhp Built 2.5
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)

Originally Posted by bigarf

sorry my mistake,yes it has been down the strip at scoobyshootout.but as you could bairly see the tarmac for water i spent more time spinning around on the grass than actually going in a staight line,will get a proper run when the weather permits.as for full boost at 3800rpm in 6th steve,arnt you still on the jdm gearing.

Originally Posted by MartynJ

To be perfectly fair, you appear to have made a common error which I didn't expect from someone of your many years experience. You have judged spool purely from a dyno graph and not actually driven the car yourself.
I bet if you were to drive the car, you might have a different perception of things. I have driven that car quite a bit and as Arf quite rightly pointed out, it doesn't feel at all laggy considering it's engine capacity.

Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster

Very difficult to quantify though as someone could do a 1000miles a month going backwards and forward to work in traffic and give the care far less stress than one track day, yet the track day cars only done 100miles etc.

Also you done spend time, effort and money on a car and record current mileage and time at that power necessarily.

Simon

Originally Posted by P20SPD

The graph scaling makes it look a lot better than it would compared to say one of your high power 2.5's that you keep putting up.

Yes, Arf's previous 2.5 made massive torque early on, but couldn't rev to >8000 rpm ( safely ! ), but it didn't last long... nor did it's replacement.

I havent questioned anything to do with the mapping or build, just stated that it "appears" laggy. Yes granted it may still have more power/torque at 4500rpm than most cars, but a lot of similar powered cars dont have such a narrow power band IMO. This just means you have to "drive" the car more to get the benefit of it.

I can confirm that it suits Arf's driving - maximum attack !

Arf, if you are happy with it, which you clearly are, and it suits your driving style, then cool , thats all that matters, but i never questioned that.

In a perfect world Arf would have a 2.35, just to fill-in some extra bottom end torque...

Originally Posted by MartynJ

Originally Posted by P20SPD

Martyn, as someone with, as you say, some experience, i was scanning through the thread last night, having not read it for a while, and initially started glancing at all the graphs that have been put up. Initial looks suggested it looked really good, which it will to the lay person out there, but on closer inspection, the graph scaling makes it look a lot better than it would compared to say one of your high power 2.5's that you keep putting up.

Do me a favour, when your next at the dyno pc, pull up the above graph and compare it to your high powered 2.5's, and post the graph. Make sure the scaling starts from 2000rpm on the horizontal axis. That should show what i am getting at.

I havent questioned anything to do with the mapping or build, just stated that it "appears" laggy. Yes granted it may still have more power/torque at 4500rpm than most cars, but a lot of similar powered cars dont have such a narrow power band IMO. This just means you have to "drive" the car more to get the benefit of it.

I am perfectly aware that most cars spool better on the road, than on the dyno, and i am sure if sat in either seat, the car will feel quick, all be it delivered in a different manner to some of the other cars around it on the leader board.