Martin2005

I would be outraged, and I completely understand why any relative would and should be.

The facts are though that these morons aren't aiming their 'protests' at the relatives of dead servicemen, they are trying to provoke a backlash from the general public.

Can you not even acknowledge the logic in this argument?

Alan Jeffery

Arson?

madscoob

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how can you say that when they called our soldiers baby killers at coming home parades in front of the soldiers relatives . those insults where aimed directly at our forces and familes , if they wanted to burn anything why not burn effigies of TONY BLAIR ( i appologise in advance for any spelling mistakes ime tired )

tony de wonderful

Yeah how many lefties and many Muslims support a watered down version of the extremists absurd 'narrative', that British troops are 'occupying' a 'muslim land', and that young British Muslims are justifiably angry and alienated by this fact despite the facts that most are of Pakistani origin and nothing to do with Iraq per se...the idea being that all Muslims somehow this monolithic group and all have this special righteous solidarity with each other over and above other people; this notion of shared victim-hood, so a British Muslims is somehow made a victim by the Iraq war and the 'atrocities' and 'occupation/oppression' etc It's absurd.

Petem95

Fair play to you for being man enough to admit you were wrong and offer an apology B13

Martin, I tend to find myself agreeing with many of your posts these days, but here I don't agree. Not giving them publicity is just sweeping the issue under the carpet. People need to see that there are many people who are given residency in this country who totally oppose our views and way of life. Only by seeing things like this will it make many people realise we have problem and something needs to be done about it.

madscoob

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add to that loitering with intent and inciting riot

Martin2005

Why are you confusing 'coming home parades' with Remembrance?

Let me make it clear once again

I BELIEVE THESE RELIGOUS NUTTERS TO BE COMPLETELY WRONG AND DESPISE EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR!!

My view is that the best way to defeat publicity seeking movements like this, is not to react and give them what they want.... ANGER and PUBLICITY

I don't believe this is liberalism I believe this is the best way to defeat these crazy *******s

madscoob

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ive just had a brilliant idea . foxhunting was banned by labour who took us to war . cameron has the opertunity now to make ammends , REPLACE FOX HUNTING WITH HUNT THE MUSSY EXTREEMIST / release them on the moors with pork tied to thier **** , give em 5 mins then release the hounds . ime sure the rich edl and bnp members and the gentry of this country would pay good money to take part . the money could then be given to help for heroes

Martin2005

But this is where I get confused; what exactly should we do about it?

Ultimatley this may lead to us giving up hard fought freedoms, and compromise our liberty for the sake of a few nutjobs. Is that a price worth paying?

madscoob

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oh come on whats the difference its plain n simple disrespect of the soldiers and familes past and present . and they where chanting british soldiers burn in hell . what do these people have to say/chant to offend the liberal do good brigade in this country

Petem95

Yep, know what you mean, but unfortunately the freedom and tolerance this country offers is allowing the intolerant to take root and thrive IMO losing some of our freedoms is a price which is going to have to be paid if we are really going to take a stand against these people.

madscoob

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and this is why the goverment allows them to protest so then can use the unrest as a excuse to have more control over us all , taking away certain freedoms etc . all part n parcel of living in this mamby pamby control hungry fashist country . they just want more and more control over us all thats why things like this are allowed to happen along with all the people allowed to sponge off the state , why because they are all voters and will vote for whoever promises to keep them safe and whoever promises to keep them in benefits

DoZZa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by J4CKO

they need to realise which side the Naan is Ghee'd

fatherpierre

Nice to see SN has descended further down with some lovely racist posters, who have no knowledge of recent history.

My personal view is to ignore these few idiots as the BBC news did earlier.

Give them no publicity and they are of no consequence. Big it up, and they win. The IRA started this way and ended up stopping normal life for many of us back in the day, not to mention taking many lives.

Lisawrx

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What gets me is police resources are being wasted 'protecting' them. On one day you have students rebelling against tuition fees, and granted damage was caused (and I'm not going into the rights and wrongs of their day), but they were arrested for it. Another day, on a day when people want to pay respects to our fallen, not only do you have what appears to be no action to setting fire to a large poppy and all that goes with their protest, but they have been actively protected.

What I don't like to see however, is another excuse to bash all the Muslims out there. This group were out of order, but there will have been Muslims fight for our country in those wars, just like Sikhs etc. and I'm sure they are as mad about what has happened as many of the non Muslims.

Rio came on here as a Sikh, and got a typical reaction, assuming he was Muslim (even if he was, doesn't make him agree) and actually regardless of his race/religion what he said did make some sense.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=72

Whilst I totally understand, and agree with everyones anger, what these ******* have done has become too much of a focus of today, and I think that is all he was getting at. Not that what they did was ok, but that we should be remembering those who fought (and died) for us and not concentrating on the act of a minority.

madscoob

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lisa i hate correcting people but the racist **** comments are not relavant as they are a minority of a religion not a race . and as for the **** part well thats not true either as the ***** wanted to concour all and ethnicly cleanse the world. we dont we just want a small percentage of people removed from OUR country , and the excuse that they where born here bears no weight with me , if a cat had kittens in a kennel it doesnt make them puppies does it

Lisawrx

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I said, some of what he said made sense, and I pointed out what I agreed with.

As for other comments you wish to focus on, I can only try to understand how things can look to someone else looking in (someone who doesn't even belong to the religion so many have a problem with). Not just this thread, but many others tar everyone with the same brush, not just within a religion, but then within the Asian race as a whole, and it gets ridiculous imo. How do you want them to feel?

Yes, this thread is focusing on a small group (as others start out too) but it doesn't take long before sweeping statements creep in. And frustrations can come from anyone, and perhaps be voiced because of such frustration.

I may read things differently, but the main message I got from his post, was what I commented on in mine.

tony de wonderful

Why this black/white thinking and PC piety, attacking the straw that 'non PC' people label ALL muslims as extremists whilst your truth must be that only a handful are' bad' but the rest are somehow 'good'?

Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, something I have been arguing for a while, that the majority of Islam enables the extremists and supports them to greater of lesser degrees. All asymmetrical armies, guerrillas, terrorists etc need some support from their populace to wage an enduring war and prosper after all do they not? Read some theory of guerrilla war.

Lisawrx

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It's not that it's my 'truth' it's a simple opinion which isn't right or wrong as I haven't got proof to back it up funnily enough, being an opinion, just like you haven't really got proof for yours.

I may be wrong, but I do think the majority of people just want to get on and live their lives. They may follow religion within that life, an important part of it, but overall, I do think they just want to get on with it peacefully. I can't argue the truth in that as I don't know for sure, but I will go with what I feel for now.

riosingh

B13 it is very man of you to appoligise.
To Martin, although the extremist have invoked a bit of a reaction, they will never win. Most of them will grow out of it, others will realise the beauty of liberty, when it is explained to them. There radical beliefs are based on twisted lies.
Demonstrating on remembrance day was a very desperate move, it will achieve nothing. And they will look back at it with shame and self loathing.

tony de wonderful

Sorry but that is trite, if the majority just always 'wanted to get on with their lives' and that mattered even, we would never have wars, conflict etc.

riosingh

Ultimately it all boils down to money.
The original Al-Quida cell was set up by the CIA, to defeat the Russians during Russian occupation of Afganistan.
Osama was paid millions of pounds a year to run Black ops. After the war ended the funding was withdrawn.
In anger of the funding being withdrawn, and feeling like a used condom, Osoma ordered attacks on the American embessys in Kenya and Tanazania, in response to this the Americans cleared out Osmas Swiss accounts and blew up his pharmasuitical factory on somila.
in responce to this he ordered and masterminded the 9-11 attacks.

@madscoob. The Iraq war was about money and oil, but the afgan war was to stamp out Al-Quida, this is some thing that had to be done. They attaked New York.

It all comes down to money, Al-Quida are angry that the millions of pounds a year they were handed over was stopped.

riosingh

The majority of the people in this country including Muslims want to get on with their lives. We are not at war with People in this country. We at at war with a minority element in Afganistan,

tony de wonderful

The 7/7 bombers were not from Afghanistan.

riosingh

Labour MP Khalid Mahmood described the actions as 'ridiculous and despicable'
The muslim council of Britain said 'while a handful of people claim to speak for Muslims, many more will join fellow Brits remembering the sacrifice of our armed forces'

riosingh

Neither was the BNP bomber, who detonated 3 bombs in London.

tony de wonderful

He was a lone nutter, not a part of a pattern, not part of a winder conspiracy with a clear ideological goal, with backers, websites, 'religious leaders', apologists, followers etc....in short a movement.

Jap Import

ENGLAND I think this really sums it all up.

After hearing that many cities did not want to offend other cultures by putting up Christmas lights, so DIDN'T!

After learning that the British Red Cross shops were instructed not to display Christmas decorations lest they cause offence. (A move which cost them my support thereafter.)

After hearing that the Birmingham council changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered. You try it!

After hearing of a Primary School in Birmingham where a boy was told that for PE they could wear Football League shirts (Aston Villa, Birmingham, West Brom etc) but NOT an England shirt as it could offend others !

This prompted the editorial below written by a UK citizen, and published in a British newspaper.

IMMIGRANTS. NOT BRITONS, MUST ADAPT.

Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on London , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits.

However, the dust from the attacks has barely settled and the 'politically correct' crowd begin complaining about the possibility that our patriotism is offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of England being a multicultural centre for community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of wars, struggles, trials and victories fought by the untold masses of men and women who laid down their lives and of the millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!


If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.. If St.George's cross offends you, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I encourage you take advantage of one other great British freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

We didn't force you to come here. If you don't like it GO HOME!!

You asked to be here.. So accept the country that accepted YOU. Pretty easy really, when you think about it..

f1_fan

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But he wasn't a Muslim!!!