Dublin Riots....
30 November 2010, 02:17 PM
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Haha. Bullsh*t, it's a step backwards to something that existed previously, stevie wonder could see that. It's all about power. If you're a libertarian then you believe the individual has the right to choose - to determine the path they take in life, not that some people 'know best'. We can have everything we want the way we are now, and I'm not bothered about being part of a superpower. Just think about what you're saying, lol. Europe will never be a superpower in the way the british empire was, half the countries are bankrupt now... They're done, and they're only going to be driven down further by socialistic thinking.
30 November 2010, 02:19 PM
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30 November 2010, 03:19 PM
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30 November 2010, 09:25 PM
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30 November 2010, 10:32 PM
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30 November 2010, 11:04 PM
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But then as you don't state what the *project's ideological intentions* actually are then we're both just p!ssing in the wind anyway ... 
Though as for being *honourable*, how *honourable* is it for the *project's* accounts NOT to have been signed off for the last 16 years? You think that someone could have put their hand down the back of the Brussels sofa and found the missing dosh? Or have I missed something?
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30 November 2010, 11:23 PM
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Umm, why? You said ....
Your opinion. *My* opinion is that you're talking complete b*llux! But then as you don't state what the *project's ideological intentions* actually are then we're both just p!ssing in the wind anyway ...
Though as for being *honourable*, how *honourable* is it for the *project's* accounts NOT to have been signed off for the last 16 years? You think that someone could have put their hand down the back of the Brussels sofa and found the missing dosh? Or have I missed something?
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Your opinion. *My* opinion is that you're talking complete b*llux!
But then as you don't state what the *project's ideological intentions* actually are then we're both just p!ssing in the wind anyway ... Though as for being *honourable*, how *honourable* is it for the *project's* accounts NOT to have been signed off for the last 16 years? You think that someone could have put their hand down the back of the Brussels sofa and found the missing dosh? Or have I missed something?
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01 December 2010, 09:37 AM
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I'm not concerned with these petty issues, they're small beer. My position is that we Europeans are now part of a liberal democratic, secular block that gives us (Europe) real strength on the World stage. We'll stand tall against Russia, China and the Middle East and work with our ideological brothers across the globe. Let's make sure Great Britain is there with the Germans and the French with one hand on the reigns. This is how the world order stands, it isn't going to change because of some accounting discrepencies. GB at the forefront of the EU or resign ourselves to obscurity because of mistrust? FFS, we're being so unambitious and provincial about this thing.
You obviously haven't noticed but we don't have any ideological brothers across the globe. We have a bunch of *other countries* who always put themselves first and foremost whilst at the same time trying to shaft the UK. That includes the Yanks and, pertinently to this little sub-thread, the whole of the rest of the EU.
We need a leader/government who can say 'eff off' to the rest of the world and stand up for the UK's interests rather than cave-in to every money-raising, power-grabbing scheme, because that's what all this is all about, thought up by the EU. And that's none of the traitors in the current house!
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01 December 2010, 09:52 AM
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01 December 2010, 10:10 AM
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I'm not concerned with these petty issues, they're small beer. My position is that we Europeans are now part of a liberal democratic, secular block that gives us (Europe) real strength on the World stage. We'll stand tall against Russia, China and the Middle East and work with our ideological brothers across the globe. Let's make sure Great Britain is there with the Germans and the French with one hand on the reigns. This is how the world order stands, it isn't going to change because of some accounting discrepencies. GB at the forefront of the EU or resign ourselves to obscurity because of mistrust? FFS, we're being so unambitious and provincial about this thing.
Big mistake to chuck away our own identity and to lose any control of our own lives.
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01 December 2010, 10:57 AM
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You obviously haven't noticed but we don't have any ideological brothers across the globe. We have a bunch of *other countries* who always put themselves first and foremost whilst at the same time trying to shaft the UK. That includes the Yanks and, pertinently to this little sub-thread, the whole of the rest of the EU.
We need a leader/government who can say 'eff off' to the rest of the world and stand up for the UK's interests rather than cave-in to every money-raising, power-grabbing scheme, because that's what all this is all about, thought up by the EU. And that's none of the traitors in the current house!
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We need a leader/government who can say 'eff off' to the rest of the world and stand up for the UK's interests rather than cave-in to every money-raising, power-grabbing scheme, because that's what all this is all about, thought up by the EU. And that's none of the traitors in the current house!
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I don't think we'll reconcile through words; this is a question of heart.
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01 December 2010, 12:16 PM
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Realistic rather than defeated I would say. China is slowly but surely moving on in the world. It's started in Africa and will move up. It is so large and with so many people that a few nukes are not going to stop it and they won't care anyway. I won't be around but my kids will suffer I'm afraid. Mark my words
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a) A key player within a united Europe, strongly allied to the Americas and Australasia.
or
b) Viewed globally as a petty, isolationist, insuler non-entity?
This is about heart as well as mind. Our moves now will dictate our place on the history books.
01 December 2010, 01:09 PM
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It sounds to me like you're scared, paranoid and advocating an isolationist world stance. Well, thank goodness you're not at the healm; we'd be a whimpering shell of a country within 10 years. Hunched over and shaking, timid, jumpy and scurrying back to our little island where we think it's safe. You'd choose this over that of a brave, united Europe, one that strides confidently out in to the world and shapes its future?
I don't think we'll reconcile through words; this is a question of heart.
I don't think we'll reconcile through words; this is a question of heart.
And talking b*llux straight from the heart too. Dave
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It sounds to me like you're scared, paranoid and advocating an isolationist world stance. Well, thank goodness you're not at the healm; we'd be a whimpering shell of a country within 10 years. Hunched over and shaking, timid, jumpy and scurrying back to our little island where we think it's safe. You'd choose this over that of a brave, united Europe, one that strides confidently out in to the world and shapes its future?
I don't think we'll reconcile through words; this is a question of heart.
I don't think we'll reconcile through words; this is a question of heart.
Sorry to see that you have no faith in the capabilities of your own country despite its long and valiant history.
You would do better to move to Brussels to be at the heart of the great Jean Monnet movement!
You must remember him, he was the man who advised conning the peoples of the Eu countries by moving bit by bit towards a federated Eu so that it was easy to achieve until it had progressed such that the Eu could then say had it had gone so far that they might as well become federated anyway!
Think back to Heath's lies to the country in the first place and than the further steps which have been achieved and you will see the big deception which has happened and is still going on, just as Monnet advised!
Don't tell us about honest dealings and democratic behaviour!
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01 December 2010, 03:34 PM
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Ok, Les, let's switch this on it's head. Name a leader that this country has had you don't feel has betrayed this country. I know you've got Heath, Blair and Cameron chalked up on the one side.
02 December 2010, 11:52 AM
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I don't see why you should want to ask such a question unless you are searching for yet another line of attack.
It does not add anything to the discussion in hand, but just for your interest, this is my feeling about previous leaders that we have had.
Since WW2 I would rate Attlee, Churchill and Thatcher highly with respect to their loyalty to this country, its people, and their strength of purpose. Major did his best but was not man enough for the job and was attacked by members of his own party. The others were either self seeking or of insufficient ability to rule the country successfully. Heath was so strongly for Europe that he allowed it to affect his honesty, he was not all that good anyway.
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It does not add anything to the discussion in hand, but just for your interest, this is my feeling about previous leaders that we have had.
Since WW2 I would rate Attlee, Churchill and Thatcher highly with respect to their loyalty to this country, its people, and their strength of purpose. Major did his best but was not man enough for the job and was attacked by members of his own party. The others were either self seeking or of insufficient ability to rule the country successfully. Heath was so strongly for Europe that he allowed it to affect his honesty, he was not all that good anyway.
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02 December 2010, 12:14 PM
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Aye Les, Thatcher was loyal to the people of this country all right........as long as they could do owt for her, like the forces, or the police, or as long as they weren't in a union, or worked with their hands.
The rest of us could go stuff.
Bloody old bitch HATED thew working man, and HATED everyone from the regions except the SE. She is the reason we now have a generation who couldn't care less about anyone but themselves, no manufacturing to speak of, hardly any industry, and the reason that our roads are clogged solid while our railways moulder.
Hateful woman. The sooner she's gone, the better.
The rest of us could go stuff.
Bloody old bitch HATED thew working man, and HATED everyone from the regions except the SE. She is the reason we now have a generation who couldn't care less about anyone but themselves, no manufacturing to speak of, hardly any industry, and the reason that our roads are clogged solid while our railways moulder.
Hateful woman. The sooner she's gone, the better.
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Aye Les, Thatcher was loyal to the people of this country all right........as long as they could do owt for her, like the forces, or the police, or as long as they weren't in a union, or worked with their hands.
The rest of us could go stuff.
Bloody old bitch HATED thew working man, and HATED everyone from the regions except the SE. She is the reason we now have a generation who couldn't care less about anyone but themselves, no manufacturing to speak of, hardly any industry, and the reason that our roads are clogged solid while our railways moulder.
Hateful woman. The sooner she's gone, the better.
The rest of us could go stuff.
Bloody old bitch HATED thew working man, and HATED everyone from the regions except the SE. She is the reason we now have a generation who couldn't care less about anyone but themselves, no manufacturing to speak of, hardly any industry, and the reason that our roads are clogged solid while our railways moulder.
Hateful woman. The sooner she's gone, the better.
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