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01 December 2010, 10:29 AM
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Maybe, but it was delivered in a way that would cast doubt over the apostasy 'laws'.
The other point that's baffled me is that you were suprised that Tony hadn't considered that you may be Jewish. You've stated that you are a born Muslim, why would he think you were Jewish? Nuturei Karta would have been far fetched.
Apart from that, good exchange and it's good to see a tussle between two armed men. Let's hope that the morons can stay off the thread and that if they do appear, our capable mods moderate them and don't simply close the whole thread only for it to resurface again.
The other point that's baffled me is that you were suprised that Tony hadn't considered that you may be Jewish. You've stated that you are a born Muslim, why would he think you were Jewish? Nuturei Karta would have been far fetched.
Apart from that, good exchange and it's good to see a tussle between two armed men. Let's hope that the morons can stay off the thread and that if they do appear, our capable mods moderate them and don't simply close the whole thread only for it to resurface again.
Any confusion should be just put down to the limitations of trying to make points with just one line. Sorry if I caused any confusion, I personally don't agree with those laws, but I think that is on another thread anyway.
I don't rate Tony as a good debater, he is just very annoying. Having said that there are much better and more intelligent debaters on here than myself.
The point about what I am, is that you only have to ask. Tony appears very guarded about who he is, his allegiences and so on. He made silly overuse of the 'Anti Semitism' slur, which I think he uses to try to browbeat people who dare to criticise Israel.
In my experience, only the most rabid Zionists take that line.
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01 December 2010, 10:33 AM
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I'm just saying it would be nice to hear from some Palestinians instead of those who claim to speak for them.
Your last statement is crazy BTW. Judaism does not recruit, does not expand, how can it 'threaten' world peace?
Sure you blame Israel, but who attacked the nascent Jewish state and displaced the refugees?
Sure because it is 100% irrelevant to my arguments, you otoh sought to establish credibility by saying you were 'close' which is looking like 100% nonsense.
Sure I said it was ideological, but also that ideology is not truth. Who is challenging the sectarian killers in Iraq for example? Why is it YOUR job to challenge 'injustice' and please give an honest answer not appealing to some abstract ideology.
You're manifesto for 'justice' sounds like a tyranny, think what power must be required to correct world 'injustice' and it is probably more terrifying than the injustice itself.
Like I said there is lots of injustice in the world, so why this mono-mania with the Palestinians? What about the genocide in Sudan, the execution of gays in Iran and Afghanistan, the people of Nepal, the people of Tibet, how about North Koreans, the plight of native Americans, persecution of Kurds in Turkey, armenians, the plight of starving Africans, civil wars in Africa, rape of women and children etc, exploitation of child labour in asian sweatshops?
Your last statement is crazy BTW. Judaism does not recruit, does not expand, how can it 'threaten' world peace?
Sure you blame Israel, but who attacked the nascent Jewish state and displaced the refugees?
Sure because it is 100% irrelevant to my arguments, you otoh sought to establish credibility by saying you were 'close' which is looking like 100% nonsense.
Sure I said it was ideological, but also that ideology is not truth. Who is challenging the sectarian killers in Iraq for example? Why is it YOUR job to challenge 'injustice' and please give an honest answer not appealing to some abstract ideology.
You're manifesto for 'justice' sounds like a tyranny, think what power must be required to correct world 'injustice' and it is probably more terrifying than the injustice itself.
Like I said there is lots of injustice in the world, so why this mono-mania with the Palestinians? What about the genocide in Sudan, the execution of gays in Iran and Afghanistan, the people of Nepal, the people of Tibet, how about North Koreans, the plight of native Americans, persecution of Kurds in Turkey, armenians, the plight of starving Africans, civil wars in Africa, rape of women and children etc, exploitation of child labour in asian sweatshops?
01 December 2010, 10:38 AM
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To be honest Palestine and israel are both as bad as each other.
Anyone that wants to argue about the above statement meet me outside
Anyone that wants to argue about the above statement meet me outside
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01 December 2010, 10:42 AM
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01 December 2010, 10:46 AM
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01 December 2010, 10:57 AM
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Hold on Tony. Look at your post #46 for instance. YOU'RE the one who has brought race and religion into this to try to subvert someones arguement.
Do you forget what you have typed? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish.
Show some ***** and try to answer some of my points to you, I don't think you can. And yes, come out with who you are and what your allegiances are, what are you scared of, if you have right on your side, you have nothing to be afraid of, do you?
And DON'T respond with "No, you answer mine", although I suspect that right now you will do anything to get out of this arguement that you have started.
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01 December 2010, 11:09 AM
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Woud love to join in Jamie, but feel all argued out. Tony doesn't stimulate debate, he kills it: by contradicting himself, changing the subject, going off at random, having no logic etc etc.
Feel free to spark some debate and I will join in mate.
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Feel free to spark some debate and I will join in mate.
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01 December 2010, 04:08 PM
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01 December 2010, 04:11 PM
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I probably am anti-Semitic: in that Im thoroughly sick of the whole lot of them.
01 December 2010, 04:51 PM
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The point was lost as the difference is 'Semantic', apparently!
01 December 2010, 08:37 PM
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The beer will be bought one day I am sure and yes Christmas is cancelled, I am very sad to say, but that is another story!!
Hope all is well with you?
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01 December 2010, 09:40 PM
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01 December 2010, 10:15 PM
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Hold on Tony. Look at your post #46 for instance. YOU'RE the one who has brought race and religion into this to try to subvert someones arguement.
Do you forget what you have typed? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish.
Show some ***** and try to answer some of my points to you, I don't think you can. And yes, come out with who you are and what your allegiances are, what are you scared of, if you have right on your side, you have nothing to be afraid of, do you?
And DON'T respond with "No, you answer mine", although I suspect that right now you will do anything to get out of this arguement that you have started.
Do you forget what you have typed? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish.
Show some ***** and try to answer some of my points to you, I don't think you can. And yes, come out with who you are and what your allegiances are, what are you scared of, if you have right on your side, you have nothing to be afraid of, do you?
And DON'T respond with "No, you answer mine", although I suspect that right now you will do anything to get out of this arguement that you have started.
No you are the one who brought your OWN identity into this with claims you were 'close' to the conflict. I asked you to back up your claims you were Palestinians (NOT a religion BTW), and now you clam up. YOU brought this up not me, I was just calling you out.
01 December 2010, 10:25 PM
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Besides you go one about 'rabid' zionists, **** zionists, zionists murderers etc etc, hard not think you have not succumbed to hate and prejudice, more importantly a will to de-humanise.
01 December 2010, 10:36 PM
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I'm well mate, run off my feet at work, struggling to get as much done as possible with the weather.
Needs must though.
Hope all is well with you and your family. I'm down your way (sort of) in May for certain, hopefully get to buy you that beer then.
The quoted bit, in bold and a nice shade of magenta; he was, but, he moved.
Plus he was sick of being referred to as a nation and not an individual. 
How about you get off you Islam/xenophobic soap box for five minutes, and give your head a shake. Might do you some good.
01 December 2010, 11:37 PM
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Anyway. I never hid being a Muslim, anyone who has been on SN more than the two minutes you have will know this anyway.
I offered a 'closer' perspective for you as you were asking so many questions, yet failing to answer any yourself. A closer perspective meant that you might get one of the apparently elusive answers you were after. Now you seek to use that against me, all the while trying to hide the fact that you are Netanyahu's love child, or more likely a spotty student doing a study on 'How annoying can being a secret online Zionist agitator be?'
So what are you and are you going to answer any questions and/or try to reduce your ignorance?