sammyh

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Virtualy all of the mods mentioned so far are in no way stealth mods. As far as I am aware the only possible mod you could do is fit a link as you could remove the ECU easily before service/repair.

R19KET

£650 for the Ecutek ??????? I thought they were talking about £150 + vat. I thought they were just re-programming the chip, and there was no hardware involved..... That's a real shame. I thought it would really offer a reasonable tuning solution to all.

The old PE Phase one used to be £650, and that included the board, very involved fitting, and mapping.

Mark.

C

cheers matt - if you could let me know on the fmic when it is in costs etc. only peiople I know of who did one were hks

e-mail addy is in the profile

mutant_matt

Mark,

Have you had a look at The EcuTek Website? It's an interesting read.....

The Tek1 is basically for MY99/00 owners who have the ae802 ECU. What they do is change the fueling, ignition and boost maps in your 802 to be like the earlier 99 (98?) cars which had an ae800/801. The net result of this is slightly leaner running and something like 10-20bhp increase (can't remember the torque figures). I *think* they have also tweaked that maps slightly to make them fractionally better than the OE 800/801 maps. You have to agree that for £150, this is not bad?

The Tek2 is the "performance map" which is an improvement on the Tek1 and is £500+VAT and Tek3 is a (I think) the Tek2 but re-mapped to suit the mods on your car. This is £625+VAT. You have to say, that if the Tek3 custom remap can get the most of your mods (for most of Mark anyway ) then this has to be great value for money.

Because they are sticking with the OE ECU, they only have to "tweak" the bits that need changing, the other stuff they can leave alone (Cold Start, Idle Control, Air-con control etc.).

C - don't know who the APS distributor is going to be so keep your eyes open m8......

Matt

Mellow Yellow !

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In all seriousness why more power if you intend to track it ?

My P1 is only 304 bhp with 265 lbs of torque but has been more than capable on and off track against far greater powered scoobs, evo's and many others !

Sort your suspension and brakes out first along with polybushes and upgraded anti-roll bars etc....£3k should accomodate you nicely....the car set up correctly is then worth a minimum 100bhp more.... I know what I'm talking about

Chris

R19KET

Matt,

I guess I'm comparing the cost of the various Ecutek stages, to the original PE Phase 1.

£150 for a basic re flash is pretty good. It compares with what the Cossie guys pay for their basic chip upgrade. Although I'm a little concerned about ANY mail order re-map.

£500~650 is starting to get into Unichip/Link territory, and that includes hardware.

When you consider it's only a re-map, and costs more than anyone would charge to map a Motec, or similar, IMHO it becomes expensive for what it is.

Mellow, I agree, but what happens when you've sorted the handling ? Just think how quick you'd be, if your car was about 330bhp/310ftlbs ........

Not everyone has your claimed driving ability and some of us need to compensate with lots more power

Some more than most

Mark.

Andy Hamp

Mark,

Am i missing something ?

The Unichip/Link options are far more than £650 ! (More like £1200 for a link from BRD) Or am i talking to the wrong suppliers ! Seriously if you know where i can get a Unichip/link (and mapped) for that sort of money i'd be off like a shot ...

Andy

R19KET

Mellow,

You Bl*ody hypocrite

Try Powerstation for the Unichip, it's certainly circa £650. Yes, the Link is more, but you get the hardware too.

I just think that £650, for downloading a programm, and some dyno time, is expensive.

Mark.

Mellow Yellow !

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Mmmm.... will do

C

Mellow,

Can you keep me posted as to how things are coming along?

No-one seems to (or lets people know) about big power P1's, so I'd be interested to see how your project comes along, any problems/issues etc - by all means keep it off the bbs if you like - my e-mail addy is in the profile.

Brakes are done on my car - have the factory alcon/prodrive upgrade - although still running the 17's with them!. I spose this keeps the tyre costs down/stops the tramlining!!!

Suspension? - I thought this was pretty good! - as mark said - some of us need extra power to keep up with those who can drive!. (I make no excuses - i'm not the best driver in the world!) What would you recommend?


Cheers

Chris

dowser

Mark

But if it gives the same/better results as an outright purchase of a unichip/link/motec/gems/etc. then where's the problem?

OK, you're not buying any hardware - but the end result is the same (or better, who knows ). Of even more benefit is that all the OE ECU niceties are already there and their functionality don't change.

I'm very interested to see what can be done with an OE ecu remap on a car with turbo/fmic/injector type mods. Mellow - what's the spec of your car?

Richard (waiting for his copy of DeltaDash... & tek2 )

Mellow Yellow !

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Chris....will do

Suspension....DMS 40mm's

dowser, check out my website www.scoobyscene.co.uk for my car's spec....

Further added to that list is Swirl pot and up rated fuel pump, bumpsteer mod & neg 2 camber all round

Chris

MorayMackenzie

C,

Re "No-one seems to (or lets people know) about big power P1's, so I'd be interested to see how your project comes along, any problems/issues etc - by all means keep it off the bbs if you like - my e-mail addy is in the profile."

Maybe you should be looking at "big power" (snicker) STI version 5 cars as, IIRC, the P1 is nothing more special than a tamed down for suabru uk market version 5 STI with a warrantee. The engine internals are, I suspect, very likely to be standard STI 5 stuff.

Moray
bbs.22b.com www.i-club.com/forums

Jay m A

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Just to add the P1's are still (ahem) under warrenty so I doubt there are many mentions of 'big power' examples

Justin

dowser

Lol, Moray! Explain "tamed down" in comparison to a standard V5

Richard

Adam M

hes prob referring to the rear wing which is tamer than the version 5 wing, the addition of abs, which takes it away from its pure rallying roots.

The removal of the very nice and infintely better quick steering rack, and the movement of the rev counter away from its rightful place in the middle of the dash board which is clearly the purist and most important place for it .

dowser

Agree about the rack

Richard

C

Moray,

True it is based on an sti 5 (apparently the weakest engine of the lot depending who you listen to).

Yes slightly toned down too - but for type approval reasons (?) - same as the UK STi 7 I believe. Although power levels are the same I only lose out on torque rather than STi 7 owners.

P1 Looks better though! - can't stand the crappy 16" gold wheels!

Unfortunately no - one talks about experiences of big power sti's or p1's - if you can point me in the direction of people then that would be a start.

I refuse to bodge the way in which I do this i.e. no bleed valves, dawes devices, piggy back ecu's - I am prepared to spend the monay and do it properly. so no cheap ways to 'up boost and hope for the best' please.

I'm having to presume a lot of things at the moment cos everyone I speak to wants to sell me something rather than advise me which is the best route to take.

I want 400 bhp ultimately out of my p1 with circa 380/400 ft/lbs or torque and want to achieve this in the least stressfull way to the engine.

Initially whilst the car is under warranty I want to be stealth like with mods, to keep me happy rather than ditching it and buying a skyline.

if people want to talk offline that's fine mail me and take it from there.

Thanks

Chris

R19KET

Chris,

Asking Moray for advice.....how long are you planning on keeping the car ?

Mark.

Adam M

C,

I dont think you can extract 200bhp/litre in a way that does not stress an engine.

There are several stis and uk cars too at the 350bhp mark, none with much over 300lbft though .

Hyperexs car was making close to 500bhp, but that required a serious amount of money and was not stealth.

If you want the first step now, then a hybrid turbo is fairly stealthy as from the outside it can look the same, a gems ecu is a plug and play and can be swapped back for the purposes of servicing so long as you drive carefully too and from the garage.

Trouser @TSL

Hi Guys..

couple of things here...

Firstly Chris is dead right.. A good chassis, brakes and driver combo is worth 100 BHP easily. Look at Mellow, Pete etc on track days.. not big BHP but HOW fast do they lap?

Also lets not get hung up on dry figures.. It' all about how the car DRIVES (important word) and how it DELIVERS it's torque and power band in the real world (ie not Rolling Road). Also Sti 5 has lovvurley forged pistons.. all three P1 engines we have split have CAST pistons. Less TOP rpm safely.

We have used both GEMS (very good) and MOTEC in the BRC and chose Motec as the better product for various reasons with more adjustability and control. Better datalogging and telemetry and really user friendly.

I won't even attempt to enter into a technical discussion on this.. we all know that once we get past big wheels, clear indicators and neons I am way out of my depth .. Thats what I have Dad here for.. he does know these systems well as he has had to programme maps at international competition level. Me??.. I just make the tea (badly)

We were asked by Motec to help them to develop both this product and help with elements for the new 01 map , which will be mapped with a TSL exhaust system. Even with my pretty poor knowledge.. it's easy to watch the guys at work and see how easy it is to use. It's also true plug and play. Plug in.. calibrate.. and in an hour you're awya to perform final fettling on the fly.

By all means give Dad a bell, He and Richard (Motec MD) mapped the M800. sadly he doesn't *DO* internet

It also helps with Geography homework kids look! .. i think thats what it is anyway







Cheers
trouser


edited cos i found a pic!


[Edited by Trouser @TSL - 4/11/2002 6:17:43 PM]

Adam M

Trouser, nice point re forged pistons, but unfortunately I have it on good authority that sti5s have the same cast pistons as the P1.

C

Matt

I didn't mean you guys I meant all the co's I have phoned!

Obviously not about the V5 engine!

£3000 is for my stealth mod bits - 5 figures for the bits afterwoods!

I think I'm sorted now - I have a helpfull unbiased person who appears to have loads of the right knowledge!

I think I;m gonna need a new gearbox too!

Chris

Deep Singh

Minor point but the STi has ' forged type' pistons according to the official brochure not forged.D'ont see why they would fit cast pistons to the P1 if the STi had forged.

markd

hi. c..who have you found with all the right info then ?

Adam M

The point I made before is that a lot of sti 5s have cast pistons, not forged pistons so the P1 is no different.

mutant_matt

So presumably, the Forged Pistons were not OE fit but an optional extra (like so many other things that are supposedly standard fit but were actually options).

Matt

Trouser @TSL

Guys.. guys...

all i know is every P1 we have split has cast pistons and the IM parts computer shows a cast piston for that application.

All the STi 5's we have split (rather more) have forged pistons.... a lot of people must have specified this "option" then ...

I have that on *reasonably* good authority .. Glenn seems to have a rough basic knowledge of these engines. .. he's built the odd "one or two"

There's nearly always one in pieces here.. come and see

cheers

Trouser

Mike Tuckwood

We've split a few engines here and we have seen STi 5's with both cast and forged pistons.

I know originally certain things were available as options at point of purchase, (e.g. Closed deck block, forged pistons Etc.) This could explain why there are differences.


A P1 is basically an altered STi 5. While I can see Subaru UK/Prodrive specifying the spec for cast pistons, they don't offer an option of forged pistons so you are unlikely to see a mix of both like you find with STi 5's.

This is a minor distraction though from the point of the thread? (Though interesting none the less).

Mike.

Adam M

Mike a good point, and one that I will take to heart.

I am not saying that no sti5s have forged pistons, just that of the 7 or so sti5s I have seen split, all had cast pistons, thats all.