MOTEC - Help please
12 April 2002, 06:53 PM
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04 September 2002, 08:12 PM
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First off, a VF28 is going to struggle to flow 340bhp. If you check any of the cars claiming those type of figures, they all run larger turbo's, and more often than not, hybrids.
Your fuel system will also be on the limits, and you'd need bigger injectors. The stock 440cc's will be maxing out.
Circa 300ftlbs/340bhp figures are becoming quite common now, even from UK cars. The vast majority of these are running Link ecu's, which are more than up to the job. If the right mod's are used in the first place.
The Motec is a very good piece of kit, but IMHO, unless you are intending to go internal, and run very high boost, I don't think you'll see much benifit over the cheaper ecu's, and then I'd recommend mapping on an "engine dyno".
A good compromise, and one that I'm sure has been mentioned, would be the Gems. This falls somewhere in between the Link, and the Motec.
Mark.
[Edited by R19KET - 4/9/2002 10:46:38 PM]
Your fuel system will also be on the limits, and you'd need bigger injectors. The stock 440cc's will be maxing out.
Circa 300ftlbs/340bhp figures are becoming quite common now, even from UK cars. The vast majority of these are running Link ecu's, which are more than up to the job. If the right mod's are used in the first place.
The Motec is a very good piece of kit, but IMHO, unless you are intending to go internal, and run very high boost, I don't think you'll see much benifit over the cheaper ecu's, and then I'd recommend mapping on an "engine dyno".
A good compromise, and one that I'm sure has been mentioned, would be the Gems. This falls somewhere in between the Link, and the Motec.
Mark.
[Edited by R19KET - 4/9/2002 10:46:38 PM]
04 October 2002, 12:36 PM
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I must protest, but also agree somewhat.
Mark was indeed faster than me on his skis, but I should point out, that with no poles and no skating (skating on a board is somewhat difficult) I was actually faster than him!
also thanks for acknowledging my vastly superior off piste ability
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Also agree re turbo. I wouldnt want to run more than 320 out of a vf28, would be looking at a nice hybrid for that.
The ecutek lark is relatively unknown, but sounds like a very interesting proposition. I would like to have a look into it. Can someone explain the limits of it please. Is it just a tweak? or can you totally remap every zone? if so, surely it would allow you to do what you like with injector sizes etc, and be able to cope with massive mods such as headers, exhaust, front mount and much bigger turbos. If so, if not too labour intensive, surely it can provide a lot of pros and few cons?
but then, at the moment there appears to be one comapny offering it, which doesnt give you a vast choice of mappers
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edited due to dave-t-s
[Edited by Adam M - 4/10/2002 2:10:02 PM]
Mark was indeed faster than me on his skis, but I should point out, that with no poles and no skating (skating on a board is somewhat difficult) I was actually faster than him!
also thanks for acknowledging my vastly superior off piste ability
.Also agree re turbo. I wouldnt want to run more than 320 out of a vf28, would be looking at a nice hybrid for that.
The ecutek lark is relatively unknown, but sounds like a very interesting proposition. I would like to have a look into it. Can someone explain the limits of it please. Is it just a tweak? or can you totally remap every zone? if so, surely it would allow you to do what you like with injector sizes etc, and be able to cope with massive mods such as headers, exhaust, front mount and much bigger turbos. If so, if not too labour intensive, surely it can provide a lot of pros and few cons?
but then, at the moment there appears to be one comapny offering it, which doesnt give you a vast choice of mappers
.edited due to dave-t-s
[Edited by Adam M - 4/10/2002 2:10:02 PM]
04 October 2002, 03:29 PM
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£3000 - wow!
Is that how much they cost? Bloody glad I didn't pay anything like that. But then again perhaps I have more money than sense!
I think the whole tuning is very subjective - I do have other mods to the engine, and am very happy with how my car now drives. It is relaible and fast enough for my humble needs.
Now I remember why I dont post anything about tuning etc - there is always someone who knows better
[Edited by simonburton - 4/10/2002 3:30:04 PM]
Is that how much they cost? Bloody glad I didn't pay anything like that. But then again perhaps I have more money than sense!
I think the whole tuning is very subjective - I do have other mods to the engine, and am very happy with how my car now drives. It is relaible and fast enough for my humble needs.
Now I remember why I dont post anything about tuning etc - there is always someone who knows better
[Edited by simonburton - 4/10/2002 3:30:04 PM]
04 October 2002, 04:02 PM
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sorry sorry sorry,
I may have jumped the gun somewhat in that when I was looking into an m800 myself it did work out at 3k, and from this point of view, I still believe it is an odd first and only step.
Motec did change their pricing structure and broke the M800 down into a basic unit with selectable options that whjen complete would add up to about £3000 in this country. For this you get the extra features of wide band lambda control and fun things such as launch control and antilag. IIRC you also had to pay extra for 1mb of data logging capability.
Either way, for the basic unit, I know it is a great unit, and my initial reply was a bit hasty. I appreciate a good bit of sarcasm too, hope I didnt upset too much.
I still think peak torque at 6000rpm is a bit odd. Is that intentional? does it make the car more fun/smoother/more economical to drive?
[Edited by Adam M - 4/10/2002 4:07:36 PM]
I may have jumped the gun somewhat in that when I was looking into an m800 myself it did work out at 3k, and from this point of view, I still believe it is an odd first and only step.
Motec did change their pricing structure and broke the M800 down into a basic unit with selectable options that whjen complete would add up to about £3000 in this country. For this you get the extra features of wide band lambda control and fun things such as launch control and antilag. IIRC you also had to pay extra for 1mb of data logging capability.
Either way, for the basic unit, I know it is a great unit, and my initial reply was a bit hasty. I appreciate a good bit of sarcasm too, hope I didnt upset too much.
I still think peak torque at 6000rpm is a bit odd. Is that intentional? does it make the car more fun/smoother/more economical to drive?
[Edited by Adam M - 4/10/2002 4:07:36 PM]
04 October 2002, 04:44 PM
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Looks like you're after what I was after.
Best of luck - Graham at TSL does know his stuff re: MoTec, but then so do others who advertise on here.
I think £3000 should sort you out nicely, certainly from the various quotes I had - and so it should; £3000 is big bucks for mods.
As Adam mentioned, don't forget the M48 either.
simon
[Edited by simonburton - 4/10/2002 4:46:07 PM]
Looks like you're after what I was after.
Best of luck - Graham at TSL does know his stuff re: MoTec, but then so do others who advertise on here.
I think £3000 should sort you out nicely, certainly from the various quotes I had - and so it should; £3000 is big bucks for mods.
As Adam mentioned, don't forget the M48 either.
simon
[Edited by simonburton - 4/10/2002 4:46:07 PM]
04 November 2002, 09:36 AM
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Quite right though in as much that I am at a crossroads with my car and am speaking to several peeps about power upgrades.
Out of interest, P.E. have not yet done a P1 (STi5) and on a recent visit to their place Merv is going to use mine as the base car
I am just in the process of adding an APS FMIC and cool air kit prior to the ECUtek up-grade.....after looking very deeply into all of this I am more than confident in their ability to give me what I'm looking for at a reasonable price
I'll keep all posted
Chris
[Edited by Mellow Yellow ! - 4/11/2002 9:43:37 AM]
Quite right though in as much that I am at a crossroads with my car and am speaking to several peeps about power upgrades.
Out of interest, P.E. have not yet done a P1 (STi5) and on a recent visit to their place Merv is going to use mine as the base car
I am just in the process of adding an APS FMIC and cool air kit prior to the ECUtek up-grade.....after looking very deeply into all of this I am more than confident in their ability to give me what I'm looking for at a reasonable price I'll keep all posted
Chris
[Edited by Mellow Yellow ! - 4/11/2002 9:43:37 AM]
04 November 2002, 05:34 PM
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Chris,
Who told you that????? 
17" 
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Well talk to Dave Taylor/Trout (345bhp STi V), Moe/TopCat (335bhp UK car), CraigH (had a 360bhp STi V), Adam and Mark (who have "modded Scoobs" ). Sorry if I forgot anyone in this category who was an obvious choice....
A noble objective but with £3000, you're not going to get very far towards your 400bhp (or is that just your stealth mods budget?)
Nobody on this thread has been trying to sell you anything and have been just offering good (and free) advice.
One other thing, like Chris said (Mellow), you can make some pretty good handling advances which will make the most of your current power (not as sexy as more power I know but you'll be surprised how much faster you can go for not a huge amount of money spent on handling!!!!)
Hope this helps,
Matt
[Edited by mutant_matt - 4/11/2002 5:37:12 PM]
True it is based on an sti 5 (apparently the weakest engine of the lot depending who you listen to)
P1 Looks better though! - can't stand the crappy 16" gold wheels!
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Unfortunately no - one talks about experiences of big power sti's or p1's - if you can point me in the direction of people then that would be a start.
). Sorry if I forgot anyone in this category who was an obvious choice....
I refuse to bodge the way in which I do this i.e. no bleed valves, dawes devices, piggy back ecu's - I am prepared to spend the monay and do it properly. so no cheap ways to 'up boost and hope for the best' please.
I'm having to presume a lot of things at the moment cos everyone I speak to wants to sell me something rather than advise me which is the best route to take.
One other thing, like Chris said (Mellow), you can make some pretty good handling advances which will make the most of your current power (not as sexy as more power I know but you'll be surprised how much faster you can go for not a huge amount of money spent on handling!!!!)
Hope this helps,
Matt
[Edited by mutant_matt - 4/11/2002 5:37:12 PM]
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