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04 December 2010, 08:41 PM
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Hmmmm... I've been suffering over the past few months with a serious reduction in speed on my 50meg service when downloading from Newsgroups using SSL (port 563).
Stupidly believing that VM dont cap/limit the 50Mb service - as they said they never would on their "premium service", etc. - I thought that this was the NNTP service provider...
...but I was obviously wrong. As changing from port 563 to 443 brings about a dramatic increase in speed. Hmmmmm.....
Pimmo - When did this limiting (it's not even capping, as it seems to be immediate at various times of the day) start? It's certainly quite recently. AND will it also be a "feature" of the 100Mb service?
Stupidly believing that VM dont cap/limit the 50Mb service - as they said they never would on their "premium service", etc. - I thought that this was the NNTP service provider...
...but I was obviously wrong. As changing from port 563 to 443 brings about a dramatic increase in speed. Hmmmmm.....
Pimmo - When did this limiting (it's not even capping, as it seems to be immediate at various times of the day) start? It's certainly quite recently. AND will it also be a "feature" of the 100Mb service?
04 December 2010, 09:01 PM
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Hmmmm... I've been suffering over the past few months with a serious reduction in speed on my 50meg service when downloading from Newsgroups using SSL (port 563).
Stupidly believing that VM dont cap/limit the 50Mb service - as they said they never would on their "premium service", etc. - I thought that this was the NNTP service provider...
...but I was obviously wrong. As changing from port 563 to 443 brings about a dramatic increase in speed. Hmmmmm.....
Pimmo - When did this limiting (it's not even capping, as it seems to be immediate at various times of the day) start? It's certainly quite recently. AND will it also be a "feature" of the 100Mb service?
Stupidly believing that VM dont cap/limit the 50Mb service - as they said they never would on their "premium service", etc. - I thought that this was the NNTP service provider...
...but I was obviously wrong. As changing from port 563 to 443 brings about a dramatic increase in speed. Hmmmmm.....
Pimmo - When did this limiting (it's not even capping, as it seems to be immediate at various times of the day) start? It's certainly quite recently. AND will it also be a "feature" of the 100Mb service?
I can tell you that as someone on the VM forums posted telling people how to get round it .. which brought attention to it ..
Obviously I can't go into details on the what's and how's but it doesn't sit all that well with me ..
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11..._media_detica/
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...eutrality.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...et_neutrality/
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/...nitoring-In-UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...t/traffic.html
Should these reports be correct .. (I'm not saying they are) then its deep packet inspection and thats why your only seeing a slow down on the groups...
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04 December 2010, 09:07 PM
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Thanks for that Pimmo...
Now found this thread, which makes for interesting reading: http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
and this : http://shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/up-to-50mb.html
..where it states that Traffic Management applies "from 4pm to 9pm and 10am to 3pm" (which is an odd way of stating that it's pretty much every waking hour other than the 2 hours from 8am to 10am, the hour from 3pm to 4pm and the two hours from 9pm to 11pm - thanks a load VM...
Anyway, as using 443 appears to alleviate the problem for the time being I don't care - and as long as I can continue to find non-standard ports that could be used when (cus it's gonna be when and not if) this also gets "managed" I'll continue to be happy.
Now found this thread, which makes for interesting reading: http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
and this : http://shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/up-to-50mb.html
..where it states that Traffic Management applies "from 4pm to 9pm and 10am to 3pm" (which is an odd way of stating that it's pretty much every waking hour other than the 2 hours from 8am to 10am, the hour from 3pm to 4pm and the two hours from 9pm to 11pm - thanks a load VM...
Anyway, as using 443 appears to alleviate the problem for the time being I don't care - and as long as I can continue to find non-standard ports that could be used when (cus it's gonna be when and not if) this also gets "managed" I'll continue to be happy.
04 December 2010, 10:10 PM
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Thanks for that Pimmo...
Now found this thread, which makes for interesting reading: http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
and this : http://shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/up-to-50mb.html
..where it states that Traffic Management applies "from 4pm to 9pm and 10am to 3pm" (which is an odd way of stating that it's pretty much every waking hour other than the 2 hours from 8am to 10am, the hour from 3pm to 4pm and the two hours from 9pm to 11pm - thanks a load VM...
Anyway, as using 443 appears to alleviate the problem for the time being I don't care - and as long as I can continue to find non-standard ports that could be used when (cus it's gonna be when and not if) this also gets "managed" I'll continue to be happy.
Now found this thread, which makes for interesting reading: http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
and this : http://shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/up-to-50mb.html
..where it states that Traffic Management applies "from 4pm to 9pm and 10am to 3pm" (which is an odd way of stating that it's pretty much every waking hour other than the 2 hours from 8am to 10am, the hour from 3pm to 4pm and the two hours from 9pm to 11pm - thanks a load VM...
Anyway, as using 443 appears to alleviate the problem for the time being I don't care - and as long as I can continue to find non-standard ports that could be used when (cus it's gonna be when and not if) this also gets "managed" I'll continue to be happy.
Traffic Management is a nice word for not giving you what you paid for.
Imagine if your electric company deemed you had your lights on too long today or at the wrong times and so they turned your TV and computer off for a day.
04 December 2010, 10:23 PM
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I'm online 24/7 ..
I have ratios on Torrent sites that are well ..
Ratio: 0.983 Uploaded: 1.63 TB Downloaded: 1.66 TB
Your RATIO: 1.842 Uploaded: 393.76 GB (422791736121 B) Downloaded: 213.72 GB (229483177372 B)
Uploaded: 1.09 TB
Downloaded: 397.46 GB
Ratio: 2.81 (Updated once a day)
and I have never once been managed ..
05 December 2010, 12:00 PM
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Then why else would they want to know what people are downloading?
Lets be honest, the vast majority of people who use something like a 50/100MB service are doing it to download ****LOADS of dodgy stuff.
Gaming folk dont need a connection like that, internet browser people dont need a connection like that, even somebody watching HD films on an xbox 360 does not need a connection like that.
So VM now want to see what people are downloading to check against copyrighted material, why?
Just so they know? or just because ISP`s in this country and getting ***** felt to combat piracy.
If push comes to shove, they would hand over all the details in an instant, the only reason that most people are "getting away with it" at the moment is due to the monumental **** up by ACS Law.
Lets be honest, the vast majority of people who use something like a 50/100MB service are doing it to download ****LOADS of dodgy stuff.
Gaming folk dont need a connection like that, internet browser people dont need a connection like that, even somebody watching HD films on an xbox 360 does not need a connection like that.
So VM now want to see what people are downloading to check against copyrighted material, why?
Just so they know? or just because ISP`s in this country and getting ***** felt to combat piracy.
If push comes to shove, they would hand over all the details in an instant, the only reason that most people are "getting away with it" at the moment is due to the monumental **** up by ACS Law.
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05 December 2010, 12:15 PM
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Then why else would they want to know what people are downloading?
Lets be honest, the vast majority of people who use something like a 50/100MB service are doing it to download ****LOADS of dodgy stuff.
Gaming folk dont need a connection like that, internet browser people dont need a connection like that, even somebody watching HD films on an xbox 360 does not need a connection like that.
So VM now want to see what people are downloading to check against copyrighted material, why?
Just so they know? or just because ISP`s in this country and getting ***** felt to combat piracy.
If push comes to shove, they would hand over all the details in an instant, the only reason that most people are "getting away with it" at the moment is due to the monumental **** up by ACS Law.
Lets be honest, the vast majority of people who use something like a 50/100MB service are doing it to download ****LOADS of dodgy stuff.
Gaming folk dont need a connection like that, internet browser people dont need a connection like that, even somebody watching HD films on an xbox 360 does not need a connection like that.
So VM now want to see what people are downloading to check against copyrighted material, why?
Just so they know? or just because ISP`s in this country and getting ***** felt to combat piracy.
If push comes to shove, they would hand over all the details in an instant, the only reason that most people are "getting away with it" at the moment is due to the monumental **** up by ACS Law.
Any traffic sniffing if it where being used, would be to ID p2p and stop them from impacting the speeds of day to day users... there are plenty of ways to use a high speed connection, only one of which being connection sharing ..
You have 50Mb with pings of 9ms .. you can have 4 -5 PC running and downloading at decent speeds ..
but of course we didn't land on the moon either ..
05 December 2010, 12:25 PM
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And the chances of getting a court order after crap like the digital rights bill was bashed through ?
Its all on route, you only have to look at other countries and the way that users are getting letters from law firms who have logged them downloading stuff.
I would suggest that the vast majority of VM 50/100MB users do not have 4/5 PC`s
in use at the same time 
Its all on route, you only have to look at other countries and the way that users are getting letters from law firms who have logged them downloading stuff.
I would suggest that the vast majority of VM 50/100MB users do not have 4/5 PC`s
in use at the same time
05 December 2010, 12:41 PM
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I was on 50MB but downgraded to 20 after the ridiculous capping of newsgroups and torrents. Why would I pay for a service that they then deny to me? The policy is at http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/tra...nt-policy.html see the section under file sharing.
Yes, by switching port is fine, defeats purely port based throttling, but VM know the addresses of astraweb etc, and just apply the server IPs to the list of capping, so you'll get screwed there anyway. VM are shooting themselves in the foot, as said previously not many people will pay top whack when they find out the cant use it at all the times they actually want to use it!
Yes, by switching port is fine, defeats purely port based throttling, but VM know the addresses of astraweb etc, and just apply the server IPs to the list of capping, so you'll get screwed there anyway. VM are shooting themselves in the foot, as said previously not many people will pay top whack when they find out the cant use it at all the times they actually want to use it!
05 December 2010, 03:32 PM
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And the chances of getting a court order after crap like the digital rights bill was bashed through ?
Its all on route, you only have to look at other countries and the way that users are getting letters from law firms who have logged them downloading stuff.
I would suggest that the vast majority of VM 50/100MB users do not have 4/5 PC`s in use at the same time
Its all on route, you only have to look at other countries and the way that users are getting letters from law firms who have logged them downloading stuff.
I would suggest that the vast majority of VM 50/100MB users do not have 4/5 PC`s
in use at the same time You probably know VM supply a security software ... well comparing the number of PC reg to each 50 Mb account suggests other wise ..
05 December 2010, 05:45 PM
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I'm online 24/7 ..
I have ratios on Torrent sites that are well ..
Ratio: 0.983 Uploaded: 1.63 TB Downloaded: 1.66 TB
Your RATIO: 1.842 Uploaded: 393.76 GB (422791736121 B) Downloaded: 213.72 GB (229483177372 B)
Uploaded: 1.09 TB
Downloaded: 397.46 GB
Ratio: 2.81 (Updated once a day)
and I have never once been managed ..
I have ratios on Torrent sites that are well ..
Ratio: 0.983 Uploaded: 1.63 TB Downloaded: 1.66 TB
Your RATIO: 1.842 Uploaded: 393.76 GB (422791736121 B) Downloaded: 213.72 GB (229483177372 B)
Uploaded: 1.09 TB
Downloaded: 397.46 GB
Ratio: 2.81 (Updated once a day)
and I have never once been managed ..
05 December 2010, 06:25 PM
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And the chances of getting a court order after crap like the digital rights bill was bashed through ?
Its all on route, you only have to look at other countries and the way that users are getting letters from law firms who have logged them downloading stuff.
I would suggest that the vast majority of VM 50/100MB users do not have 4/5 PC`s in use at the same time
Its all on route, you only have to look at other countries and the way that users are getting letters from law firms who have logged them downloading stuff.
I would suggest that the vast majority of VM 50/100MB users do not have 4/5 PC`s
in use at the same time Its people who still stupidly download from torrents that will be caught for all this as its more for the uploading to other users which gets you done
05 December 2010, 07:13 PM
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I was on 50MB but downgraded to 20 after the ridiculous capping of newsgroups and torrents. Why would I pay for a service that they then deny to me? The policy is at http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/tra...nt-policy.html see the section under file sharing.
Yes, by switching port is fine, defeats purely port based throttling, but VM know the addresses of astraweb etc, and just apply the server IPs to the list of capping, so you'll get screwed there anyway. VM are shooting themselves in the foot, as said previously not many people will pay top whack when they find out the cant use it at all the times they actually want to use it!
Yes, by switching port is fine, defeats purely port based throttling, but VM know the addresses of astraweb etc, and just apply the server IPs to the list of capping, so you'll get screwed there anyway. VM are shooting themselves in the foot, as said previously not many people will pay top whack when they find out the cant use it at all the times they actually want to use it!
According to http://www.virginmedia.com/myvirginm...ment-table.php you wont get throttled on 50mb+ packages. Just us poor folk who cant afford it.
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05 December 2010, 10:49 PM
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Speedtest.net is ****e ..
I'm getting a full connection and it shows mine as
Different site
Last Result:
Download Speed: 50434 kbps (6304.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1631 kbps (203.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 10 ms
05 December 2010 22:49:54
I'm getting a full connection and it shows mine as
Different site
Last Result:
Download Speed: 50434 kbps (6304.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1631 kbps (203.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 10 ms
05 December 2010 22:49:54
06 December 2010, 07:34 PM
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Hello McFly! Seriously, you are misinformed
The newsgroup and torrent throttling IS applied to 50mb packages, the traffic management table applies to html/gaming type traffic. Re-read http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/tra...nt-policy.html under the file sharing section.
Alternatively, you can read this thread http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
I did the tests myself. 11.59pm throttled down to 200kB/s, 2 mins later at 12.01am - 6200kB/s. Im not paying a premium price for a service that is denied me
The newsgroup and torrent throttling IS applied to 50mb packages, the traffic management table applies to html/gaming type traffic. Re-read http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/tra...nt-policy.html under the file sharing section.
Alternatively, you can read this thread http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
I did the tests myself. 11.59pm throttled down to 200kB/s, 2 mins later at 12.01am - 6200kB/s. Im not paying a premium price for a service that is denied me
06 December 2010, 08:00 PM
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Hello McFly! Seriously, you are misinformed
The newsgroup and torrent throttling IS applied to 50mb packages, the traffic management table applies to html/gaming type traffic. Re-read http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/tra...nt-policy.html under the file sharing section.
Alternatively, you can read this thread http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
I did the tests myself. 11.59pm throttled down to 200kB/s, 2 mins later at 12.01am - 6200kB/s. Im not paying a premium price for a service that is denied me
The newsgroup and torrent throttling IS applied to 50mb packages, the traffic management table applies to html/gaming type traffic. Re-read http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/tra...nt-policy.html under the file sharing section.
Alternatively, you can read this thread http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/161788
I did the tests myself. 11.59pm throttled down to 200kB/s, 2 mins later at 12.01am - 6200kB/s. Im not paying a premium price for a service that is denied me
No mate I'm not misinformed, I control the traffic policies .. I'm not going to risk my job talking about them ..
06 December 2010, 08:21 PM
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06 December 2010, 08:26 PM
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I work my nuts off to give "my" customers excellent service .. giving information out on a public forum is just stupid ..
I have helped many people on here and will continue to if I can, I will provide as much information or advice as I can .. but the company has a legal team and a press office who's job it is to decide how much you know about VM .. not me .. in stead of trying to argue with me, why not phone up and complain .. I don't make the rules ..
06 December 2010, 09:49 PM
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Well as I have already linked to VM stated policy on this, you don't have to. They throttle you. End of.
Whereas giving it to them over the phone is sane? What nonsense is this? Information is information regardless of the medium...
Indeed, and the "you" I used earlier was referring to VM rather than you personally. Apologies for the confusion. Nevertheless my point stands. People are paying for 50Mb and VM are deliberately denying them that, as I found and all the posts of the thread I linked earlier found. Does VM think we're stupid and wont notice? Early adopters are going to be the most geeky and check the speed. I noticed when the policy came into effect in my area on 1 Nov. I gave it a month to see if it was a glitch or part of an upgrade process, but no, VM were deliberately removing my bandwidth that I had paid for. So I protested by downgrading. And in doing so discovered that they had been charging me at a higher rate after a price cut as well.
This is not a general whinge about VM, in general I have been very happy with the service. I am however concerned at their sharp practices, as I see it, when they promise one thing and deliver another. I am passing on information so other people can make a judgement on what they want to do by having ALL the information to hand
I have helped many people on here and will continue to if I can, I will provide as much information or advice as I can .. but the company has a legal team and a press office who's job it is to decide how much you know about VM .. not me .. in stead of trying to argue with me, why not phone up and complain .. I don't make the rules ..
This is not a general whinge about VM, in general I have been very happy with the service. I am however concerned at their sharp practices, as I see it, when they promise one thing and deliver another. I am passing on information so other people can make a judgement on what they want to do by having ALL the information to hand
06 December 2010, 10:28 PM
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I don't talk to people on the phone ....
I hope you feel better after your little rant ... if i were you I'd go to sky theyll give you full speed .....
Or as per the t&cs vm can pretty much do as they like ...
Clearly you aren't happy but restrictions or not no one is faster or better for gaming ...
I hope you feel better after your little rant ... if i were you I'd go to sky theyll give you full speed .....
Or as per the t&cs vm can pretty much do as they like ...
Clearly you aren't happy but restrictions or not no one is faster or better for gaming ...
06 December 2010, 10:45 PM
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Lucky you, end users are a nightmare
Thanks for the personal comments when I explicitly said I wasn't referring to you. You are not me...
Within what they are allowed to do by OFCOM, such as notifying customers to a change in service for instance...
with VM's deception of advertising 50Mb and delivering less than a tenth of that for newsgroup traffic at all the times Im going to be at home....
which since most of this thread is about downloading is completely of no use to me or the other posters on this thread whatsoever.
Within what they are allowed to do by OFCOM, such as notifying customers to a change in service for instance...
with VM's deception of advertising 50Mb and delivering less than a tenth of that for newsgroup traffic at all the times Im going to be at home....
which since most of this thread is about downloading is completely of no use to me or the other posters on this thread whatsoever.
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As i expected.
They will offer you a 100MB service and you will be lucky to get full speed if you try to use it for anything other than browsing websites on a 5 PC home network
They DO sniff people doing dodgy stuff, and they WILL pass over your details if given a court order.
A 100MB service is best for gaming? most gaming uses very little anyway!
They will offer you a 100MB service and you will be lucky to get full speed if you try to use it for anything other than browsing websites on a 5 PC home network
They DO sniff people doing dodgy stuff, and they WILL pass over your details if given a court order.
A 100MB service is best for gaming? most gaming uses very little anyway!