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she surely had a fiver spare.
09 December 2010, 04:40 PM
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My mother works as a manager in a nursary connected with a school, just asked her school need to have another in school activity for them end of discussion, my mother was appalled at this
09 December 2010, 04:42 PM
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09 December 2010, 04:56 PM
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As I have already said the money isn't the issue.
It could be 50p or £500, it has no bearing on the way the children have been treated.
As for smoking and sky+, perhaps I pay for those already and she simply didn't want to ask for more. And as I have said I wasn't asked to pay.
Whatever, most of you understand it's not about money.
It could be 50p or £500, it has no bearing on the way the children have been treated.
As for smoking and sky+, perhaps I pay for those already and she simply didn't want to ask for more. And as I have said I wasn't asked to pay.
Whatever, most of you understand it's not about money.
09 December 2010, 05:03 PM
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But it does if your daughter paid it this thread wouldn't be here.
I'm failing to see how they've been treated badly , the school has gone through their procedures. Theyve not Been dumped at the gates have they?
I'm failing to see how they've been treated badly , the school has gone through their procedures. Theyve not Been dumped at the gates have they?
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09 December 2010, 05:03 PM
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09 December 2010, 05:05 PM
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It's not about the money. As mentioned my lad regularly forgets to tell us about activities, but we're lucky in that we can pay for all they want to do.
However we'd be at a loss for collecting them during school hours (we both work), if we were told, "you have not paid, come get your kids". We physically couldn't get there and clearly we wouldn't have paid at that point. It's irrelevant wether we've the means to pay.
It's not an acceptable solution by the school. Good luck Blue with the meeting.
However we'd be at a loss for collecting them during school hours (we both work), if we were told, "you have not paid, come get your kids". We physically couldn't get there and clearly we wouldn't have paid at that point. It's irrelevant wether we've the means to pay.
It's not an acceptable solution by the school. Good luck Blue with the meeting.
09 December 2010, 05:09 PM
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It's not about the money. As mentioned my lad regularly forgets to tell us about activities, but we're lucky in that we can pay for all they want to do.
However we'd be at a loss for collecting them during school hours (we both work), if we were told, "you have not paid, come get your kids". We physically couldn't get there and clearly we wouldn't have paid at that point. It's irrelevant wether we've the means to pay.
It's not an acceptable solution by the school. Good luck Blue with the meeting.
However we'd be at a loss for collecting them during school hours (we both work), if we were told, "you have not paid, come get your kids". We physically couldn't get there and clearly we wouldn't have paid at that point. It's irrelevant wether we've the means to pay.
It's not an acceptable solution by the school. Good luck Blue with the meeting.
09 December 2010, 05:12 PM
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could i point out we have the same problem and i am working we are asked to pay over the odds so passengers children can go for free bang out of order as figures have been proven that a single mum on benefits with 2 children is only 4POUNDS a weel worse off than a married couple on 24grand a year working, thats why we pay 2.25 for a school diner that costs the school 58pence because we are paying for other peoples kids who in truth aint much worse off
09 December 2010, 05:17 PM
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09 December 2010, 05:20 PM
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Are you being serious? 
Attendance at school is required by law. If a school operates say from 08:50 to 15:10 then that is when you expect your children to be there 5 days a week and you are entitled to plan around this. Saying it's not a day care centre is a complete misunderstanding of how school works in my opinion. A school should not be sending home children during school hours because they have not been able to pay for an activity. It is the school's responsibility to make sure there is something else for those children to do at school. End of.
As for JTaylor, I just treat his comments as a wind up and trolling for a rise and not worth getting in an argument over to please his antagonistic desires.
Attendance at school is required by law. If a school operates say from 08:50 to 15:10 then that is when you expect your children to be there 5 days a week and you are entitled to plan around this. Saying it's not a day care centre is a complete misunderstanding of how school works in my opinion. A school should not be sending home children during school hours because they have not been able to pay for an activity. It is the school's responsibility to make sure there is something else for those children to do at school. End of.
As for JTaylor, I just treat his comments as a wind up and trolling for a rise and not worth getting in an argument over to please his antagonistic desires.
09 December 2010, 05:25 PM
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09 December 2010, 05:46 PM
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They haven't been answered, they've been dismissed. The idea that the OP will be attending meetings and contacting OFSTED because his daughter wouldn't pay a few quid for her kids to see Zambani the Magnificent is mad. I'm merely responding to the thread title.
09 December 2010, 06:00 PM
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I think you'll find that is not the case and the issue at hand is the fact the children were excluded from school at short notice which as i've stated twice so far should not happen.
No where has the actual cost been pointed out and in my opinion it is irrelevant. If a parent decided the activity was not worth the cost then that is their decision and the children should be put to other activities during the paid event whilst in school hours.
Just to return on your point of failing to pay that can be a difficult situation to be put in if you live on an extremely tight budget. Single parents more often than not do have to live on tight budgets and more so than ever at this time of year.
I decided a while ago to do all my finances on a budget and it's a difficult thing to stick to having had years of letting it run wild and not taking control. I know that if I blow my budget I can cover it (within reason) but for someone who can not have that luxury it must be a huge stress every month. Even £5 to some can be too much to come out of a budget if they have already allocated their money to cover Christmas presents this month.
So to simply dismiss someone as a joke because they didn't pay for their kids to go to a school event is short sighted at the very least. As for asking for financial help as already mentioned many people can be too proud to ask for help or simply think they have asked for too much already. That shouldn't then mean their kids are chucked out of school for not paying for an event during school time.
No where has the actual cost been pointed out and in my opinion it is irrelevant. If a parent decided the activity was not worth the cost then that is their decision and the children should be put to other activities during the paid event whilst in school hours.
Just to return on your point of failing to pay that can be a difficult situation to be put in if you live on an extremely tight budget. Single parents more often than not do have to live on tight budgets and more so than ever at this time of year.
I decided a while ago to do all my finances on a budget and it's a difficult thing to stick to having had years of letting it run wild and not taking control. I know that if I blow my budget I can cover it (within reason) but for someone who can not have that luxury it must be a huge stress every month. Even £5 to some can be too much to come out of a budget if they have already allocated their money to cover Christmas presents this month.
So to simply dismiss someone as a joke because they didn't pay for their kids to go to a school event is short sighted at the very least. As for asking for financial help as already mentioned many people can be too proud to ask for help or simply think they have asked for too much already. That shouldn't then mean their kids are chucked out of school for not paying for an event during school time.
09 December 2010, 06:09 PM
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Completely serious. If a school can't safely provide supervision for a child that child must be placed with the parent/guardian. If that parent/gaurdian is in work well tough. Happens to me enough times when my nipper is ill or has inset day, I have to have her as I can have her at my work. I can't get annoyed with the school as ultimately the child is my responsiblity.
09 December 2010, 06:23 PM
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Well, thanks for a reasoned response but I don't buy it I'm afraid. I think the notion that the money for a child's magician couldn't be found is laughable. To the extent that I'm going call BS; it's not Haiti. The root cause here is the daughter and her unwillingness to pay for her childrens' Christmas treat. It's the easiest thing in the world to point the blame at an organisation like this primary school for not accommodating ineptitude whereas perhaps the OP and his daughter should be taking responsibility themselves.
I think you'll find that is not the case and the issue at hand is the fact the children were excluded from school at short notice which as i've stated twice so far should not happen.
No where has the actual cost been pointed out and in my opinion it is irrelevant. If a parent decided the activity was not worth the cost then that is their decision and the children should be put to other activities during the paid event whilst in school hours.
Just to return on your point of failing to pay that can be a difficult situation to be put in if you live on an extremely tight budget. Single parents more often than not do have to live on tight budgets and more so than ever at this time of year.
I decided a while ago to do all my finances on a budget and it's a difficult thing to stick to having had years of letting it run wild and not taking control. I know that if I blow my budget I can cover it (within reason) but for someone who can not have that luxury it must be a huge stress every month. Even £5 to some can be too much to come out of a budget if they have already allocated their money to cover Christmas presents this month.
So to simply dismiss someone as a joke because they didn't pay for their kids to go to a school event is short sighted at the very least. As for asking for financial help as already mentioned many people can be too proud to ask for help or simply think they have asked for too much already. That shouldn't then mean their kids are chucked out of school for not paying for an event during school time.
No where has the actual cost been pointed out and in my opinion it is irrelevant. If a parent decided the activity was not worth the cost then that is their decision and the children should be put to other activities during the paid event whilst in school hours.
Just to return on your point of failing to pay that can be a difficult situation to be put in if you live on an extremely tight budget. Single parents more often than not do have to live on tight budgets and more so than ever at this time of year.
I decided a while ago to do all my finances on a budget and it's a difficult thing to stick to having had years of letting it run wild and not taking control. I know that if I blow my budget I can cover it (within reason) but for someone who can not have that luxury it must be a huge stress every month. Even £5 to some can be too much to come out of a budget if they have already allocated their money to cover Christmas presents this month.
So to simply dismiss someone as a joke because they didn't pay for their kids to go to a school event is short sighted at the very least. As for asking for financial help as already mentioned many people can be too proud to ask for help or simply think they have asked for too much already. That shouldn't then mean their kids are chucked out of school for not paying for an event during school time.
09 December 2010, 06:31 PM
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There are some right nutters on this thread.
If you can't pay you can't pay - if the mother choses not to sponge off the grand parents then that's fine and should not be held against her.
As has been said many times, it sounds like the school are being ***** - they should make provisions for children unable to go on any trip regardless of the cause. Sounds more like all the teachers want a day off.
And to use a txt message as a means of communication to the parents is completely rediculous and unprofessional.
JTaylor - please stop making 'facts' up - we have no idea how much it costs, where the trip was, or what sort of trip it was - and you know what? None of that matters!
If you can't pay you can't pay - if the mother choses not to sponge off the grand parents then that's fine and should not be held against her.
As has been said many times, it sounds like the school are being ***** - they should make provisions for children unable to go on any trip regardless of the cause. Sounds more like all the teachers want a day off.
And to use a txt message as a means of communication to the parents is completely rediculous and unprofessional.
JTaylor - please stop making 'facts' up - we have no idea how much it costs, where the trip was, or what sort of trip it was - and you know what? None of that matters!
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09 December 2010, 06:34 PM
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Well, thanks for a reasoned response but I don't buy it I'm afraid. I think the notion that the money for a child's magician couldn't be found is laughable. To the extent that I'm going call BS; it's not Haiti. The root cause here is the daughter and her unwillingness to pay for her childrens' Christmas treat. It's the easiest thing in the world to point the blame at an organisation like this primary school for not accommodating ineptitude whereas perhaps the OP and his daughter should be taking responsibility themselves.
09 December 2010, 06:39 PM
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09 December 2010, 06:40 PM
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I'm still wondering if the form sent to the ops daughter explained that if she could not fund for the children that she would be expected to remove them, or if the text message 30 minutes before she was asked to remove them was the first inkling she had.
09 December 2010, 06:43 PM
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Completely serious. If a school can't safely provide supervision for a child that child must be placed with the parent/guardian. If that parent/gaurdian is in work well tough. Happens to me enough times when my nipper is ill or has inset day, I have to have her as I can have her at my work. I can't get annoyed with the school as ultimately the child is my responsiblity.
Children not attending could be for a variety of reasons not just payment. For example had it been a children's entertainer in a clown suit and one or two kids were frightened of clowns then they wouldn't attend. The school should not be sending them home because of it. If that is their policy then they must have a very poor ofsted rating and be completely unable to deal with any children with special needs such as autism/aspergers where quite frequently (if not all the time) such kids would not be able to attend any sort of show/something different to the daily school routine.
09 December 2010, 06:43 PM
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IMO, which the OP solicited, the lack of payment absolutely is the underlying issue. It's the root cause. The School's response is an effect.
09 December 2010, 06:47 PM
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I wouldn't bother getting too wound up, can't you try to see if you can get them booked on the trip a little late, or take them to the same show yourself, or to stop the kids being upset take a day off work to go to a pantomime somewhere and give them a real treat. If the kids are happy what else matters ?
09 December 2010, 06:48 PM
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Agreed, I think that is what the OP is peeved with. I can't imagine the daughter knew, because if she did she would know it's going to cost her more to take the afternoon off work.
09 December 2010, 06:48 PM
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I disagree. Parents have a right to decide whether their child attends the activity or not and if it is in school hours then it is expected the school will provide alternative activities should it be decided one or several children do not attend.