David Lock

Taylor - why don't you just bugger off with your stupid comments? dl

Moley

iTrader: (9)

Let him carry on.... it's amusing watching him make such a **** of himself.

I think he's trying to do a PSLewis, but failing badly.

JTaylor

No, the fact is that most people have bought in to the op's version of events and rounded on the school without questioning the validity the claims. Now there will be letters and meetings, when the reality is the daughter didn't chip in for her kids to see Magic Brian. Sad for the kids, sad for the school, but most contributors have been sucked in by the sob story peddled by the op and have assumed the daughter is blameless. Nonsense.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

So in scenarios when a parent can't afford to pay for a school trip/event, do you think the school has no responsibility to look after those children in an alternative way?

At the end of the day it is the choice of the school to put an event or trip on, they can't assume everyone will be able to afford it, so in my opinion, whatever you think of her, the school should have plans in place to cope with this.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yep, it's all your daughter's fault for being poor. Maybe the kids should be taken off her until she shapes up and becimes a millionaire like many of the posters here on NSR. Poor people are just lazy spongers after all. She needs to get her act together. Root cause: daughter

JTaylor

I don't think we're getting the full picture here, Lisa. It's 3rd party biased information from an OP with a grudge. Accusations of discrimination and bullying? Ridiculous! How do we know that the op's daughter isn't creating problems for the school regularly and that they've just turned around and said "sorry, no fiver, no card trick and cake"?

I'd be embarassed if my grandkids couldn't join in on their Christmas treat, I
wouldn't post it on the internet and try to solicit sympathy and 'disgust' at the school. OFSTED?! Don't be daft!

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

But you don't know either if the story isn't how it has been told. Only the daughter and school really knows what has gone on, but I'd assume the OP wouldn't be all guns blazing if he knew his daughter regularly caused problems. And a large part of the problem as I read it, isn't that they haven't been able to attend the party (or show), it's that at short notice they have been completely excluded from school. Which in my opinion is wrong.

JTaylor

Et voilà. My point exactly! I'm over stating my case to highlight the fact that we can throw all kinds of accusations at the school yet I'd wager there's a whole host of other issues that we, and possibly the OP aren't aware of. Lot's of people piled in off the back of one person's testimony. I'd stick a fiver on it that if the school posted their account it'd be a different ball game, and the reaction would have been completely different. I hear schools being criticised all the time by parents and it seems to be fair game, yet parents don't always support the school and its teachers.

Of course I understand the 'special provision' argument, but why ignore the 'get your fiver out and stop creating problems' one? Because that would upset the op who came across as 'nice' in his post.

@ The OP - nothing personal.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I see where you are coming from, and yes maybe the reaction would have been different if the school came on here with their version. However, I'd be inclined to then think the truth was somewhere in the middle. Few people like to admit fault.

I am not going down the route of provisions been made such as letting them go without paying, but if somebody cannot afford (or some other reason they can't attend) to send their children to a show, a trip, whatever within the school day, then I personally feel that there should be a class they can go into. They are supposed to be in school, and that is exactly where they should be, regardless of whether they can participate in a given 'event'.

Plenty of parents get it in the neck, or worse if they chose to remove their kids from school during term time for their own reasons. So surely if a school excludes kids (who can' go) completely from the building due to something they have organised, there shouldn't be a problem with them being pulled up for it..

DCI Gene Hunt

+1 he's just desperate to get a rise, or then again 'just desperate'

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

For those few of you who doubt my motivation for posting, here is an extract from my original post.

It's a plain and simple factual account.
There's no opinion involved.
I didn't post it because I had nothing better to do but make derogatory remarks about a local institution.
If you don't believe this has happened in the way I describe, that's your choice. But don't then waste your time posting up theories of subterfuge as if there's some great conspiracy afoot to bring down the local primary school.

Of course there are gaps in the facts. But that isn't the issue. It's a statement of cause and effect and I asked for opinions on whether or not I was justified in my anger towards the school for this treatment of children placed in their care.

There are one or two here who, without knowing me, have cast doubt on my integrity by questioning the veracity of my account.

What reason have I given you for doing that?

All I have asked is whether or not I have a right to feel any kind of outrage at what has happened.

Ant

When I used to get school letters , it was clearly stated what would happen either way maybe your daughter overlooked this fact on the letter provided.

With out being rude this should be down to your daughter to sort out.

Try this scenario: as we don't know what the trip was as you've not said, say 99% of the pupils did go on this trip so for staffing ratios all staff would be needed to attend . Do you propose the school to pay a teacher a full wage to watch 1-10 kids?

DCI Gene Hunt

To be fair this is "scoobynet" and by posting up something on here you have to accept that you will attract the odd negative response, but the difference is that as this is the internet you don't actually have to pay any attention to it...

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

Fair one

Blue by You

iTrader: (23)

Possibly, but that's not the way I'm hearing it.

Ant

That's why i'm mentioning it, Don't want you going in guns blazing and this fact been missed out and making you look a bit of tw@

Clarebabes

What would it matter really if a few kids didn't pay and still joined in? If it was an external trip where coaches and tickets had to be bought for a specific event, then yes, they perhaps shouldn't have gone, but something internal makes no sense.

JTaylor

Take a look it from the other side; the integrity of the school was in tatters purely and simply because of your 3rd party account of what happened. As it happens I don't think your motives were conciously disingenuous, but within a page your words such as 'discrimination' and 'bullying' were being responded to with 'disgrace' and 'disgusting'. It was like a scene from South Park.

People react without consideration and opinions are formed without scrutiny. I submit that if a balanced, unbiased account of Soprendogate were heard that the education authority wouldn't have been vilified. People get huffy and indignent with the slightest provocation and in this case, nobody stopped to think 'it was only a few quid, what a palaver'. No, people adjusted their dungarees and sharpened their pitchforks.

Anyway, good luck with the letters, phonecalls and meetings, I hope the outcome is just.

JTaylor

I've thought of that too, which is what leads me to suspect that it's not as straight forward as we're being lead to believe.

Clarebabes

I didn't write that to defend you though

JTaylor

I'd certainly hope not.

Hysteria1983

Just a different spin on all this.

My childrens school are providing all sorts of Christmas activities. Parties, discos a Christmas card competition abd of course the class nativity.

All of which have required a pre paid ticked.

My children are not Christian, yet I know for a fact that if I had preffered then not to take part in any of these activities, there would be another form of alternative activity arranged. I would be pretty happy to say that something has to be arranged.

Now don't get me wrong here, my children are not a member of ANY religion/cult/new age movement etc etc, this is just an example that shows children cannot be excluded from school because they cannot or do not want to attend an activity at school.

This is unnacceptable.

I ban 100% understand it is not about the money.

BUT, I think we need to know if. A rediculous text was the only way in which this was communicated to the mum.

JAutos

iTrader: (5)

This is a legal requirement.

A very intresting read, My thoughts on this vary, yes some people struggle with money and say they cant afford the trip, usually only £5 give or take, Im sure that this could be found in around 95% of cases where its claimed it cant be found, as im sure in many cases (and i stress not all cases) that a few less cans of lager at the weekend or a bottle of wine less maybe a take away etc less would cover it, I think many of you will get my drift, If things are that bad that you cant fund a school trip then in my opinion you would be close to far worse. Agree with money is the route cause of this along with parents choices and what the school did was wrong also but a reaction to non payment. Fundamentaly the school has boobed. they cant send a pupil home in these circumstances.

marky1

Just don't understand these kind of comments. You can have your view but to take it to this level is in my opinion pretty disgusting. You don't know the facts anymore that anyone else, whilst you can make pressumptions I think you need to be careful how you convey your thoughts. For all we know this girl might be a hard working single mother who is having a tough time like many are at the moment. Indeed she might not be, who knows, but I certainly wouldn't come on here banding about the kind of abuse you are writing without knowing anything about the circumstances of this family.

Whatever the circumstances are I feel very sympathetic to the children to be placed in the situation they were, it's completely wrong. For you to take the **** out of them is gutter level stuff.

GlesgaKiss

JTaylor

It's quite possible the magician performed the much lauded Chinese ring illusion, maybe even the three ringed variant, a spectacle not to be missed. I take it the poor wretches will be receiving nothing more than a lump of coal and a satsuma for Christmas given the daughter's impoverished state.

Don't be so silly.

zip106

I don't always agree with David Lock, but in this instance I strongly do.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I wish a magician would pop in here and make Taylor disappear.

Kieran_Burns

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"I disapprove with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Evelyn Beatrice Hall

JTaylor

I would point out to Ms. Hall why she was wrong to disapprove.