A separate forum/posting area for scoobs that are breaking!

RR

 

Another thing that needs to be looked at is the amount of threads started by members in the For Sale sections, I think there is one member with 10+ threads and periodically he/she bumps them up.

These members should be made to start one thread with all the items listed on there, also what about a bump function which can only be used say once a day?

I know the thread starter could enter any old rubbish in order to move their listing back up but there must be a way of controlling/moderating this?

It is not uncommon for a thread to drop to the bottom of page 3 or page 4 in the same day it's listed, unfortunately it's a catch 22 position - the more people that bump their thread 2/3 times a day, the more that other members have to bump their own threads to stop them from disappearing.

 

Can I ask why we can not delete our own threads.

For example, Ive just posted up a new thread but posted it in the wrong section but I cant delete it.

 

It seems to be a good deal faster yes, with the delay on SN caused by my browser having to wait for all of the served adverts and such. I checked about five pages immediately before I posted too; and PF was as quick as you could hope for, whilst SN vaired between sluggish and needing one page refreshing, as the thrid party stuff jammed Firefox for me...

 

Any chance you can pop this in the bugs forum please mate and I can direct tech to it as we thought it was all sorted for everyone!

 

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To be fair this just smacks of no forward thought in relation to the site... I mean someone should have already managed to get agreement that the Christmas logo should stay up till (insert date) and then revert back to the normal one.

It shouldn't be difficult to agree a 'range' of seasonal banners - Easter, Halloween, Christmas and then also have a few event type ones - F1, World Cup, Euro, etc. just to throw in and give this site a current and exciting feel...

DCI

 

I agree, and maybe its something we should look at.

 

There are way too many forums within SN. A quick count reveals 55 before we talk about sub-forums. Some haven't been posted in for Days. Surely we could combine a few. For instance, General Technical + Drivetrain, Motorsport + Sport, Ice + Security. As some of these forums don't see much traffic, people end up stickingtheir post in General which annoys the **** out of me. Oooooooo lose the signitures too

 

Can I ask why we cant delete our OWN posts or threads.

 

i think an army of moderators that actualy remove and move threads that are in the wrong place ie car sales in parts section is needed

 

Any movements on this - as we're assuming that this is being discussed by the SNET team behind the scenes?

 

Bits and bobs. Main talk currently is getting the sales section sorted,as that has long been main priority.

With regards to sub forum renaming and arranging, there are a couple of technical issues that need to be discussed (silly as it sounds its not the simple task it once was ), we can create new forums, but obviously we need to make sure people will actually use them to be worthwhile.

One thing is the response on this thread has been very small. For example, a similar thread on passionford went on for 15pages in the space of 8days. Yet after a month we're still on page 4 .

Why is this? Is everyone happy? Does nobody care? Has nobody seen it? If so, why haven't they seen it (sticky or not - nobody appears to notice stickies either). Is there an issue with default setting of thread cut off age (so it disappears after x number of days)?

Even if folk don't have their own idea, support of anyone elses would be helpful. Otherwise we may end up doing stuff which maybe the majority does not want.

 

The reason I stopped using this place is because the moderators are completely un accountable.
They treat the "popular"members one way and the others another way. I would like to see them be held to account for the decisions they make.

Secondly, if I ask a member of the team a question, I really think that efforts should be made to answer them. Its not just me on this one. Members of the team seem to only answer easy questions and ignore everything else.

Last of all NSR could do with a subsection for the people that just want to fight and throw insults around, I have met dozens of EX SN users who state they don't use this site anymore as almost everything NSR thread results in the same old names starting an Internet sparing session, sometimes people just want to talk and surely NSR should be the place for that.

That's my rant over, make the place less hostile and I am sure the paying members will return.

 

It's probably being addressed wrongly - but that I mean this request should be a sticky in General, NSR, Other (German Bettle Type) Marques and the Club Sections - with guidance over what constitutes a good idea. The response level would be higher, but I can't guarantee their quality

 

+1 This thread is a bit lost in here. Get it on as a sticky in the main forums.

 

Yes I agree with most of what you say there. I think more attentive moderation would help (not a criticism of the mods as there are only so many hours in the day and I know they give their time for free).

The fact is I also know of at least 6 people who are either staying away from SN or certainly visiting a lot less becuase of a certain type of NSR thread that keeps getting posted and the small number of posters responsible.

 

I think this topic should get maximum exposure. Lots of members are not aware of it.
If there is fighting going on in NSR that is good because I am never there so cannot take the blame for that one
I have too much going on to want more sections, fewer would be better for me but I go with the flow.
The i-Trader system needs a major overhaul.
More should be done to protect members from the unscrupulous. People who use the For Sale to off load dodgy gear or even non existant gear. Perhaps a discreet reporting facility on a set format linked to the sale in question. If the same name crops up several times with hard evidence then it is obvious.

I had thought previously, rather naively perhaps, that Scoobynet was intended to be a community. There was a sense of belonging and some level of protection or well being from belonging to a community. My perception now is that it is a commercial machine and as long as revenue flows that is the highest priority.
Management attitude is "We are of course just an advertising medium" well yes I agree but the management of Scoobynet also have a responsibility to ensure that what happens is honest and above board. I would like to see more done to return Scoobynet to the community it was nearly a decade ago.

 

Fully agree with the "community" Harvey speaks of. We could do with a way of keeping tossers out of here too who just register to cause trouble

 

I think the way scooby net could go forwards is returning the posting ability to non paid members so we can sell our bits as well

i know there was a lot of people ripping people off with bits and so on but we now have facebook login which is trackable, i think a facebook post with home number on the adverts to signify a genuine seller

its a shame so little few go this road and spoil it for the rest i think obviously we find out who the idiots are and dont deal with them again, a ip scan can usually depict its the same user that ripped you off be fore there are loads of iptracer programs freeware and alike which could be implemented in to the system

even Virgin media dont change ip addresses that often i have had mine now for 9 months and its not changed once, all scoobynet needs to do if a seller rips someone off ban the ip address if like mine he wont be able to re register in another name as the ip will be the same and on the ban list like me he would have to wait till it changed mine is 9 months might make him see the light and not do it in future

i think this idea is very very possible and could resolve alot of problems with sellers and scammers etc..

 

You can make me a moderator solely to police the 'General' section if you want? Then I can delete all the threads that should be in the 'Technical' sections etc.

 

Surely SD&S, if you use a facility you should expect to contribute something.
Facebook has nothing to do with it. Some of us have better things to do with our time.

 

We already have that - Fight Club

TX.

 

yeah i know i dont use it generally, but its a way of traceability and someone thats comminting fraud would be accountable and prosecuteable

the main reason they keep doing this scamming or selling parts that are not there or even dodgy parts is beacuse they are not tracked traced and even the information is not sent to the law

it would be easy for the moderators to get the IP address and contact the ISP this would then create a file for prosecution, everyone in the country no matter who or where you live have to register your details to have the internet fitted, its traceable and thats what the management should be doing, regardless of what they say they can or cant do its deemed by law that they should put certain things in place to cut down on fraud

i beleive you bit of the quote "so long as the revenue is coming in" they aint bothered and like you also said it would be nice to have scoobynet to how it was a decade ago, i didnt know it then but i think from comments it was a community worth taking part in, and thats what i originally thought scooby net was a community so why banish everyone from selling/swapping or advertising your unwanted parts on here i have not sold anything dodgy and i have not scammed anyone

as for paying for premium membership, it really doesnt become a community anymore its saying pay me money and we will let you in our community which is crap if you asked me, it goes against the grain of community (community defonition is for everyone not for those who have money) on that note is a discriminative thing to ask what about people that are just surviving and can only just get by they cant afford the extra money here and there its unfair and non community act to turn a message board into a subscription

i will get off my soap box now lol

Andie

 

Not really wanting to get to technical/legal about this. But no, its not easy.

We can see an IP address, that is it; Nothing else, and this on its own will not trace an individual. Additionally a moderator has no such authority to so, and even if we did the ISP would flatly refuse to release any personal details, because we have no legal jurisdiction.

To put it simply: No valid court order/warrant = no information.

Yes, as noted in the terms of use. But for this to happen the victim himself/Police must pursue a legal case, of which any request must be issued in an official and legally recognised manner. Incidentally a volunteering moderator would have no ability to handle such a matter, anything legal related must be directed directly to the website's owner who in turn will seek legal advice to verify and uphold any request.

 

£2 a month is hardly excluding the Have Nots

TX.

 

yes i agree

but the moderators should be notifying the site owner or someone in the power to raise a crime number this would then go through to the cps he would then issue the warrant to the ISP gaining information as it would then be a prosecutable offence

should the ISP not grant the information to the police then a warrant is obtained, you can now in some circumstance when money is involved as its obtaining money by deception (accountable in a court of law) use the freedom of information act which the ISP has to by law supply the information to the police on the crime number you have made to the police force

once this has been achieved the crime number & supporting information can then be accessed by LAW from solicitors and even CAB (Citezen Advice Burea) thus gaining legal prosecution

it doesnt matter what someone does to obtain monies even if you receive the part and its dodgy unless the seller put this in his advert this is then accountable which is prosecuteable, hence the term Obtaining money By deception

i see this all the time people complaining about being ripped of and then moderators pushing the boat to someone else making excuses etc, from an ip address you can obtain all the info needed to sort this, the people doing the dodgy deal know they can get away with it because everyone wont take ownership and use the channels they can do (management/owner etc) hence they get away with it and do it again

you would only have to put this in place once it would stop alot of dodgy people thinking they could get away with it and once someone knows they can be accountable they wouldnt do it

its always management that let the communityu/cutomer/person being ripped off down and then they bang on about it cant be done, thats ok if your telling a 3yr old someone that knows would just sort it i think the wrong moderators are in place or the management doesnt care, why should we pay a subscription to a site thats not prepared to stand by the purchaser or its community

 

it doesnt matter how much it is it could be 5p a month, the problem is your not grasping is it used to be free they put a charge on it and its still not stopped what it was designed to stop, the payment is regardless how much they have tried something it didnt work so why protest to keep the charge stopping thew community (genuine sellers) from listing there stuff to sell, this wont happen because it then becomes a revenue, get 10,000 people paying £10 a year and i am sure you can do the maths, thats a good revenue to lose aint it

thats why it wont be removed nothing to do with the fraud aspect its another charge on a community site, a decade ago this didnt have a charge so why now, because they fell on the idea of trying to stop dodgy frausters which has not stopped it, surely if they are getting £2 a month from people that pay the subscription then they should have employed someone to police it properly its like free money to them why do something they dont have to do, next off they will be increasing the charge to stop the fraudsters which it wont work but you will pay more subscription

its all about community, a site is here because someone wanted to get everyone involved that had a internet connection, not charging people to do things on the site it was originally made for community`s to be built not a profit based thing, the site makes money from the advertisements and doesnt need to sub people, regardless of what it costs, and why they put the cost on its unfair and its not the right thing to do, the subscription is to try stop the frausters surely they should be employing someone to moderate it properly and make all dodgy dealing accountable, one moderator states he has not got the authority to do so, the monies has just come as a revenue and nothing else

subscription pffff a real community building thing to do

 

Split the ''For sale'' section up.

Classic, bugeye, blobeye, newage, subarus breaking, non Subaru etc rather than one big for sale section. And keep the cars for sale in the cars for sale section.

That would stop the constant BTTT posts of which I am guilty of too but there is so much stuff in the for sale section, my parts are at page 5 in a matter of hours.

 

I think you can start charging more for SN, £10 is nothing IMO. SIDC charged me last year over £30. That would stop those dirty ba4tard stealing on here. Just my 10p worth.

 

To be able to edit and or remove old threads that you have put on yourself for example I reduced the price of my car for sale and couldn't edit the heading.
A filter for parts and accessories so you can find what you're looking for.
To be able to delete unwanted messages from people hijacking your thread.
To be able to have a block a member facility from posting on your thread.
An auction bidding format would be nice for the sale sections
A lot of the features and benefits of flea bay that work negative feedback scores that stay for 12 months etc.
Oh and do something to stop me having to BTTT or BUMP all the time surely there's a better way.
Maybe even a system where members could talk to each other with headsets on like gaming
The possibilities are endless