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22 December 2010, 11:35 AM
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22 December 2010, 11:46 AM
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Are you daft enough to stick YOUR neck for your company knowing that the system is against you (e.g your manager says go unload that vehicle,without the training or the equipment to do so safely, and you WILL NOT be entitled to full pay while off sick,so from day one your gonna get £79 a week ) if the answer is yes, I'm guessing your a boss or your just a dumb sh*t working class who doesn't know any better! I dont think there are enough Elf n Safety rules, I'm not gonna risk hurting mi self just so I can earn minimum wage.
You don't want to risk hurting yourself? Well good, but don't force everyone else to live under the same rules as you. Go and do something you aren't worried about doing instead.
How about this, just for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIuotFZnBtk
My heart bleeds!!
22 December 2010, 06:16 PM
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22 December 2010, 10:33 PM
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Just to bring this thread back from the dead .... 3rd party observations on the whole LHR debacle in the NY Times ... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/24/op...wandsnowstorms ... summed up nicely:
"... Some Brits aren’t buying it. The Guardian’s George Monbiot reported angry calls: “It’s minus 18C and my pipes have frozen. You liar. Is this your global warming?”
Not exactly: It’s the age of pass-the-buck, blame-anybody-but-yourself technology-induced, pasty-faced, initiative-starved helplessness in a Europe that’s forgotten what a shovel looks like. ..."
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"... Some Brits aren’t buying it. The Guardian’s George Monbiot reported angry calls: “It’s minus 18C and my pipes have frozen. You liar. Is this your global warming?”
Not exactly: It’s the age of pass-the-buck, blame-anybody-but-yourself technology-induced, pasty-faced, initiative-starved helplessness in a Europe that’s forgotten what a shovel looks like. ..."
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26 December 2010, 06:22 PM
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Just to bring this thread back from the dead .... 3rd party observations on the whole LHR debacle in the NY Times ... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/24/op...wandsnowstorms ... summed up nicely:
"... Some Brits aren’t buying it. The Guardian’s George Monbiot reported angry calls: “It’s minus 18C and my pipes have frozen. You liar. Is this your global warming?”
Not exactly: It’s the age of pass-the-buck, blame-anybody-but-yourself technology-induced, pasty-faced, initiative-starved helplessness in a Europe that’s forgotten what a shovel looks like. ..."
Dave
"... Some Brits aren’t buying it. The Guardian’s George Monbiot reported angry calls: “It’s minus 18C and my pipes have frozen. You liar. Is this your global warming?”
Not exactly: It’s the age of pass-the-buck, blame-anybody-but-yourself technology-induced, pasty-faced, initiative-starved helplessness in a Europe that’s forgotten what a shovel looks like. ..."
Dave
26 December 2010, 10:09 PM
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Look, we can go back and forth all day about how we, the general public, don't understand the issues, but the fact remains that Heathrow was a shambles and whatever it costs equiopment wise to prevent this happening again has to be a tiny percentage of what the latest fiasco has just cost. That, in a nutshell, is that!!
26 December 2010, 10:21 PM
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27 December 2010, 12:09 AM
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Look, we can go back and forth all day about how we, the general public, don't understand the issues, but the fact remains that Heathrow was a shambles and whatever it costs equiopment wise to prevent this happening again has to be a tiny percentage of what the latest fiasco has just cost. That, in a nutshell, is that!!
I've travelled to many countries that suffer from worse weather than we'll ever have and they cope. The problem we have seems to be a 'head in the sand' approach. Those that should be managing the clearing of snow and ice stand back and wait until the damage is done, then send the troops out to clear.
If we really wanted to be on the ball we'd have teams on standby ready to go when the snow starts to fall and not waiting until there's too much to shift in a reasonable time scale.
But as has been stated, a stitch in time, saves nine, i.e spend the money now on equipment etc to save it in the long run.
27 December 2010, 10:09 AM
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What do you disagree about what I have written?
I know you seem to like taking some sort of intellectual high ground here, but the figures speak for themselves and that is before we compound in the human side of the fiasco i.e. the fact that many many people will never use Heathrow again because of it not to mention the emotional stress caused by the way the whole thing was handled... a model in how not to do PR if ever there was one.
Many airports across the world are capable of staying open in harsher conditions than those seen at Heathrow so all I am saying is that Heathrow needs to invest in what ever those airports have got equipment and personnel wise to ensure they too can stay open as whatever it costs it has to be way less than the amount of money lost and long term damage caused by the closure.
Please tell me what is wrong with that!!
I know you seem to like taking some sort of intellectual high ground here, but the figures speak for themselves and that is before we compound in the human side of the fiasco i.e. the fact that many many people will never use Heathrow again because of it not to mention the emotional stress caused by the way the whole thing was handled... a model in how not to do PR if ever there was one.
Many airports across the world are capable of staying open in harsher conditions than those seen at Heathrow so all I am saying is that Heathrow needs to invest in what ever those airports have got equipment and personnel wise to ensure they too can stay open as whatever it costs it has to be way less than the amount of money lost and long term damage caused by the closure.
Please tell me what is wrong with that!!
27 December 2010, 10:27 AM
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What do you disagree about what I have written?
I know you seem to like taking some sort of intellectual high ground here, but the figures speak for themselves and that is before we compound in the human side of the fiasco i.e. the fact that many many people will never use Heathrow again because of it not to mention the emotional stress caused by the way the whole thing was handled... a model in how not to do PR if ever there was one.
Many airports across the world are capable of staying open in harsher conditions than those seen at Heathrow so all I am saying is that Heathrow needs to invest in what ever those airports have got equipment and personnel wise to ensure they too can stay open as whatever it costs it has to be way less than the amount of money lost and long term damage caused by the closure.
Please tell me what is wrong with that!!
I know you seem to like taking some sort of intellectual high ground here, but the figures speak for themselves and that is before we compound in the human side of the fiasco i.e. the fact that many many people will never use Heathrow again because of it not to mention the emotional stress caused by the way the whole thing was handled... a model in how not to do PR if ever there was one.
Many airports across the world are capable of staying open in harsher conditions than those seen at Heathrow so all I am saying is that Heathrow needs to invest in what ever those airports have got equipment and personnel wise to ensure they too can stay open as whatever it costs it has to be way less than the amount of money lost and long term damage caused by the closure.
Please tell me what is wrong with that!!
Also heard that the government knew, and approved, LHRs *snow* plan so someone there needs their **** kicked as well! And, according to ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...e-airport.html .... LHR were even telling porkies about how much snow clearing equipment they had.
"... * Had only 10 snow sweepers and three airfield de-icers available to clear the runways despite publicly claiming it had 60 such vehicles. ..."
Now, as someone who said that the media had things about 10% right, could Flightman come along and tell us which 90% of that story is wrong?!
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27 December 2010, 11:25 AM
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Gatwick shut for 3 days in early December.
We have 18 snow ploughs.
Govt, CAA and airlines all signed off the snow plan.
I see most of the east coast is shut today. Strange as I'm lead to believe Reading this thread that airports, other than Lhr, never snoclo? Also strange as Cdg, fra, bru, ams, have also been closed for spells in the last week.
As for taking the high ground. Too ****ing right. I was there mate. I know what happened. I heard a major airline implore us NOT to open the southern runway at 0830 then berate us later that day for not clearing it quicker. Keep reading the newspapers and scouring the web for tit bits. It's all bull****.
Anyway I'm done. I've better things to be doing on a day off than rebutting **** newspaper reports.
Listen I'm done with this thread. Believe w
We have 18 snow ploughs.
Govt, CAA and airlines all signed off the snow plan.
I see most of the east coast is shut today. Strange as I'm lead to believe Reading this thread that airports, other than Lhr, never snoclo? Also strange as Cdg, fra, bru, ams, have also been closed for spells in the last week.
As for taking the high ground. Too ****ing right. I was there mate. I know what happened. I heard a major airline implore us NOT to open the southern runway at 0830 then berate us later that day for not clearing it quicker. Keep reading the newspapers and scouring the web for tit bits. It's all bull****.
Anyway I'm done. I've better things to be doing on a day off than rebutting **** newspaper reports.
Listen I'm done with this thread. Believe w
27 December 2010, 11:38 AM
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Gatwick shut for 3 days in early December.
We have 18 snow ploughs.
Govt, CAA and airlines all signed off the snow plan.
I see most of the east coast is shut today. Strange as I'm lead to believe Reading this thread that airports, other than Lhr, never snoclo? Also strange as Cdg, fra, bru, ams, have also been closed for spells in the last week.
As for taking the high ground. Too ****ing right. I was there mate. I know what happened. I heard a major airline implore us NOT to open the southern runway at 0830 then berate us later that day for not clearing it quicker. Keep reading the newspapers and scouring the web for tit bits. It's all bull****.
Anyway I'm done. I've better things to be doing on a day off than rebutting **** newspaper reports.
Listen I'm done with this thread. Believe w
We have 18 snow ploughs.
Govt, CAA and airlines all signed off the snow plan.
I see most of the east coast is shut today. Strange as I'm lead to believe Reading this thread that airports, other than Lhr, never snoclo? Also strange as Cdg, fra, bru, ams, have also been closed for spells in the last week.
As for taking the high ground. Too ****ing right. I was there mate. I know what happened. I heard a major airline implore us NOT to open the southern runway at 0830 then berate us later that day for not clearing it quicker. Keep reading the newspapers and scouring the web for tit bits. It's all bull****.
Anyway I'm done. I've better things to be doing on a day off than rebutting **** newspaper reports.
Listen I'm done with this thread. Believe w
Just because the Gov signed off on it does not make it ok. BAA are supposed to be the experts right? Should they just pass the buck onto the government for all commercial decisions? Ludicrous excuse!
27 December 2010, 11:57 AM
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The main problem is those in the position to run it all properly don't give a monkies. They know that there aren't any consequences for complete incompetence or complacence at the highest levels. The buck gets passed around, no one gets sacked or prosecuted, same thing happens next year, etc.
27 December 2010, 12:35 PM
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Gatwick shut for 3 days in early December.
We have 18 snow ploughs.
Govt, CAA and airlines all signed off the snow plan.
I see most of the east coast is shut today. Strange as I'm lead to believe Reading this thread that airports, other than Lhr, never snoclo? Also strange as Cdg, fra, bru, ams, have also been closed for spells in the last week.
As for taking the high ground. Too ****ing right. I was there mate. I know what happened. I heard a major airline implore us NOT to open the southern runway at 0830 then berate us later that day for not clearing it quicker. Keep reading the newspapers and scouring the web for tit bits. It's all bull****.
Anyway I'm done. I've better things to be doing on a day off than rebutting **** newspaper reports.
Listen I'm done with this thread. Believe w
We have 18 snow ploughs.
Govt, CAA and airlines all signed off the snow plan.
I see most of the east coast is shut today. Strange as I'm lead to believe Reading this thread that airports, other than Lhr, never snoclo? Also strange as Cdg, fra, bru, ams, have also been closed for spells in the last week.
As for taking the high ground. Too ****ing right. I was there mate. I know what happened. I heard a major airline implore us NOT to open the southern runway at 0830 then berate us later that day for not clearing it quicker. Keep reading the newspapers and scouring the web for tit bits. It's all bull****.
Anyway I'm done. I've better things to be doing on a day off than rebutting **** newspaper reports.
Listen I'm done with this thread. Believe w
Look I am not picking a fight, I am just saying it as I see it. Yes I know other airports close, but Heathrow was in a mess for days and with very little snow really. I can perfectly understand it having to close for a few hours when the extreme weather first hits, but for several days???
Then there is the way it is all handled, I think you udnerestimate how pissed off people get with no information or proper handling of the situation.
Surely a better equipment/personnel investment would at least help minimise the probelms seen in the last few weeks. Or am I completely wrong?
27 December 2010, 09:05 PM
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You seemed to finish abruptly, you OK?
Look I am not picking a fight, I am just saying it as I see it. Yes I know other airports close, but Heathrow was in a mess for days and with very little snow really. I can perfectly understand it having to close for a few hours when the extreme weather first hits, but for several days???
Then there is the way it is all handled, I think you udnerestimate how pissed off people get with no information or proper handling of the situation.
Surely a better equipment/personnel investment would at least help minimise the probelms seen in the last few weeks. Or am I completely wrong?
Look I am not picking a fight, I am just saying it as I see it. Yes I know other airports close, but Heathrow was in a mess for days and with very little snow really. I can perfectly understand it having to close for a few hours when the extreme weather first hits, but for several days???
Then there is the way it is all handled, I think you udnerestimate how pissed off people get with no information or proper handling of the situation.
Surely a better equipment/personnel investment would at least help minimise the probelms seen in the last few weeks. Or am I completely wrong?
I worked three 12hr days then volunteered for another 4 hours each day in the terminals helping out passengers. I personally dealt with disgruntled people and theairline staff who refused to deal with their passengers. So please don't tell me I underestimate how pi$$ed off people were.
27 December 2010, 09:09 PM
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Fine thks. Was posting on a mobile and a call came in.
I worked three 12hr days then volunteered for another 4 hours each day in the terminals helping out passengers. I personally dealt with disgruntled people and theairline staff who refused to deal with their passengers. So please don't tell me I underestimate how pi$$ed off people were.
I worked three 12hr days then volunteered for another 4 hours each day in the terminals helping out passengers. I personally dealt with disgruntled people and theairline staff who refused to deal with their passengers. So please don't tell me I underestimate how pi$$ed off people were.
The trouble is the snow has affected everything this year and as such people are getting tired of it all, as you know having been at the sharp end. I believe that people just want to see concrete plans and actions put into place, whether that be with the roads, railways or airports, and when there are problems those in charge having the backbone to stand shoulder to shoulder with the workers, like you, who have been going above and beyond the call of duty.
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27 December 2010, 09:17 PM
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Fine thks. Was posting on a mobile and a call came in.
I worked three 12hr days then volunteered for another 4 hours each day in the terminals helping out passengers. I personally dealt with disgruntled people and theairline staff who refused to deal with their passengers. So please don't tell me I underestimate how pi$$ed off people were.
I worked three 12hr days then volunteered for another 4 hours each day in the terminals helping out passengers. I personally dealt with disgruntled people and theairline staff who refused to deal with their passengers. So please don't tell me I underestimate how pi$$ed off people were.
You seem to be acting like whatever we say it's a personal attack on you and Heathrow when as an air passenger I just want to know that Heathrow has the capability to get up and runnung again quickly in the evnt of a few inchse of snow.
I can only begin to guess the cost of the last few weeks to the aiport, the airlines and the economy in general and I am sure it is way less than the investment needed to make this happen.
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It would appear that as the country & its inhabitents , generations get older, thsy they have lost the "can do" approach.
Now nothing can be done without,
Risk assessments
Elf and saftey
insurance
training
dayglo vests, and mandatory hard hats
lol
What happen to "runways closed guys, grab you coats and shovels and lets go"
Personally i think, a few hundred gallons of avcat sprayed liberally over the
runways and lit would have done the job in half the time
Mart
Now nothing can be done without,
Risk assessments
Elf and saftey
insurance
training
dayglo vests, and mandatory hard hats
lol
What happen to "runways closed guys, grab you coats and shovels and lets go"
Personally i think, a few hundred gallons of avcat sprayed liberally over the
runways and lit would have done the job in half the time
Mart
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29 December 2010, 10:26 AM
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Yes OK fair enough, but surely you can see what I am saying. There MUST be a way to at least enable the airport to reopen more quickly as otherwise other airports across the world would be closed for weeks. New York had 20 inches of snow in 12 hours last night and they are reopening again today.
Come on FM for a man in the "know" get people off of your back and tell it like it is and stop being the loyal servant to BAA
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Did we make mistakes? Of course. Companies held it's hands up to that.
Did the weather conspire against us? Certainly.
Is there more to the story than the papers have written. Absolutely.
I'm done.