Cameron "Tough times ahead"
04 January 2011 | 01:42 PM
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Well I've had an £8k pay cut to start the year
Can't afford to sell the 2.5 X Trail because its worth 3p
Just read an article about house price collapse 2011
Cashing in my few hundred quid premium bonds to food shop January
Savings now down to £20
I still am quite happy to lay the whole blame at the door of Mr Brown/the banks and allowing this country to revolve around house prices /borrowing from equity/new car on every drive.What a screw up
Fuel prices is the last of our worries 2011 will definitely be tough
(I didn't borrow at 5 times salary or get a new car on credit so might actually be easier to ride this massive storm.Think many people are REALLY in for it though
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Can't afford to sell the 2.5 X Trail because its worth 3p
Just read an article about house price collapse 2011
Cashing in my few hundred quid premium bonds to food shop January
Savings now down to £20
I still am quite happy to lay the whole blame at the door of Mr Brown/the banks and allowing this country to revolve around house prices /borrowing from equity/new car on every drive.What a screw up
Fuel prices is the last of our worries
2011 will definitely be tough(I didn't borrow at 5 times salary or get a new car on credit so might actually be easier to ride this massive storm.Think many people are REALLY in for it though
)
04 January 2011 | 02:14 PM
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If the government removed some of the 75% plus taxes it would help.
04 January 2011 | 02:17 PM
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04 January 2011 | 07:05 PM
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Of course small cars are a nightmare on owt but commutes.
No space for luggage/belongings, put more than two people in the fuel consumption goes up massively, knocked about by wind etc on motorways, cramped, unable to cruise at high speeds for long without the fuel consumption getting silly.
Anyone who says different is deluded.
No space for luggage/belongings, put more than two people in the fuel consumption goes up massively, knocked about by wind etc on motorways, cramped, unable to cruise at high speeds for long without the fuel consumption getting silly.
Anyone who says different is deluded.
What are you talking about? So you never see a Fiesta, VW Polo,Honda Jazz or similar on the motorway?? I've driven a 1.3litre Honda Jazz on the motorway with 3 passengers, no problems at all thank you. Or was I just having delusions at the time
04 January 2011 | 08:39 PM
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"... In 2008 road and air users contributed £34.7 billion of tax revenue to the UK government (see Table 1.1). This constitutes 6.4% of total taxes and social contributions. Table 1.1: Principal taxes and charges paid by transport users
Tax or ChargeRevenue Raised
(£Billion/annum) 2008-09 Fuel Excise Duty23.3 Vehicle Excise Duty5.5 Air Passenger Duty1.9 VAT on Fuel Duty4.1 (Source: ONS, 2009 Table 13.7 p270)
The Department for Transport receives approximately £0.1 billion net income from tolled river crossings (DfT, 2009). In addition to these taxes and charges road users also pay general taxes including VAT on vehicle sales and repairs, VAT on the resource cost of fuel, insurance premium tax and company car tax. The House of Commons Select Committee estimated the sum of these payments to be £10.4 billion (HoC, 2009 Table 1).
.... A very broad comparison between air and road sector tax receipts (UK wide) and expenditure by the DfT and English local authorities (a mixture of UK wide and English only expenditure) indicates that transport capital and revenue expenditure is £12 billion lower than receipts from transport specific taxes. That means public expenditure on transport is 65% of transport specific tax receipts. ..."
From that I take it that the government gets a *net* £12Bn from transport taxes.
Dave
04 January 2011 | 09:46 PM
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Woah there sunny Jim. We've spent several years renting various cars. And actually found the smaller engine diesels to be dire on fuel on anything except sub 40mph city driving.
Most larger engined cars we had were based on the same 1.6 HDi engines (both 90ps and 110ps - which retuned almost the same mpgs anyway. these being Mazda 3 1.6TS, Focus 1.6TDCi, Picasso 1.6HDi 308SW 1.6HDi. These all retuned about 45mpg give or take one or two. In addition there was a 1.9DCi megane, Alfa 147JTD, Kia cee'd 1.6CRDi and Zafira 2.0DTi that returned about 40-42mpg.
Then we had the rentals based on the smaller engines; mostly the 70ps 1.4 HDi. Most Pug 206s, but the odd C2 and Fiesta thrown into mix. And all averaged about 36-38mpg.
All the above cars were driven on the very same roads with the same drivers sharing, two passengers. Partially motorway, partially country roads (both open and twisty), with a hilly mountain pass (up AND down).
The problem is the 1.4HDi no matter what car it was fitted in couldn't maintain the speed limit on the motorway up a hill without dropping down a gear. Whereas the 1.6 and 1.9 engined cars all chugged up happily in top gear. The same with open country lanes, the 1.4s needed working through the gears to keep up with traffic flow, where the bigger engines generally were happy in 5th above 30mph and kept up without needing to change down a gear. Simply put; Lower gears = more revs = poorer mpg.
The best mpg vs performance was from the Megane 1.9dci - it absolutely flew and did 42mpg. Problem is it didn't handle, had a suspect rear shock absorber (bouncy bouncy), was falling to bits and had stupidly sensitive brakes. Worst was the pug 207 which would struggle to pull up a hilly hairpin in 1st gear and I think averaged 36mpg.
Probably given a constant cruise between 40-50mph on flat terrain the smaller engined cars would probably see over 50mpg, problem is the world ain't flat and travelling everywhere at 40mph on some roads would cause some tailbacks of annoyed drivers.
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05 January 2011 | 12:10 AM
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Woah their sunny Jim. We've spent several years renting various cars. And actually found the smaller engine diesels to be dire on fuel on anything except sub 40mph city driving.
Most larger engined cars we had were based on the same 1.6 HDi engines (both 90ps and 110ps - which retuned almost the same mpgs anyway. these being Mazda 3 1.6TS, Focus 1.6TDCi, Picasso 1.6HDi 308SW 1.6HDi. These all retuned about 45mpg give or take one or two. In addition there was a 1.9DCi megane, Alfa 147JTD, Kia cee'd 1.6CRDi and Zafira 2.0DTi that returned about 40-42mpg.
Then we had the rentals based on the smaller engines; mostly the 70ps 1.4 HDi. Most Pug 206s, but the odd C2 and Fiesta thrown into mix. And all averaged about 36-38mpg.
All the above cars were driven on the very same roads with the same drivers sharing, two passengers. Partially motorway, partially country roads (both open and twisty), with a hilly mountain pass (up AND down).
The problem is the 1.4HDi no matter what car it was fitted in couldn't maintain the speed limit on the motorway up a hill without dropping down a gear. Whereas the 1.6 and 1.9 engined cars all chugged up happily in top gear. The same with open country lanes, the 1.4s needed working through the gears to keep up with traffic flow, where the bigger engines generally were happy in 5th above 30mph and kept up without needing to change down a gear. Simply put; Lower gears = more revs = poorer mpg.
The best mpg vs performance was from the Megane 1.9dci - it absolutely flew and did 42mpg. Problem is it didn't handle, had a suspect rear shock absorber (bouncy bouncy), was falling to bits and had stupidly sensitive brakes. Worst was the pug 207 which would struggle to pull up a hilly hairpin in 1st gear and I think averaged 36mpg.
Probably given a constant cruise between 40-50mph on flat terrain the smaller engined cars would probably see over 50mpg, problem is the world ain't flat and travelling everywhere at 40mph on some roads would cause some tailbacks of annoyed drivers.
Most larger engined cars we had were based on the same 1.6 HDi engines (both 90ps and 110ps - which retuned almost the same mpgs anyway. these being Mazda 3 1.6TS, Focus 1.6TDCi, Picasso 1.6HDi 308SW 1.6HDi. These all retuned about 45mpg give or take one or two. In addition there was a 1.9DCi megane, Alfa 147JTD, Kia cee'd 1.6CRDi and Zafira 2.0DTi that returned about 40-42mpg.
Then we had the rentals based on the smaller engines; mostly the 70ps 1.4 HDi. Most Pug 206s, but the odd C2 and Fiesta thrown into mix. And all averaged about 36-38mpg.
All the above cars were driven on the very same roads with the same drivers sharing, two passengers. Partially motorway, partially country roads (both open and twisty), with a hilly mountain pass (up AND down).
The problem is the 1.4HDi no matter what car it was fitted in couldn't maintain the speed limit on the motorway up a hill without dropping down a gear. Whereas the 1.6 and 1.9 engined cars all chugged up happily in top gear. The same with open country lanes, the 1.4s needed working through the gears to keep up with traffic flow, where the bigger engines generally were happy in 5th above 30mph and kept up without needing to change down a gear. Simply put; Lower gears = more revs = poorer mpg.
The best mpg vs performance was from the Megane 1.9dci - it absolutely flew and did 42mpg. Problem is it didn't handle, had a suspect rear shock absorber (bouncy bouncy), was falling to bits and had stupidly sensitive brakes. Worst was the pug 207 which would struggle to pull up a hilly hairpin in 1st gear and I think averaged 36mpg.
Probably given a constant cruise between 40-50mph on flat terrain the smaller engined cars would probably see over 50mpg, problem is the world ain't flat and travelling everywhere at 40mph on some roads would cause some tailbacks of annoyed drivers.
It's sunny Ding not sunny Jim
My point was it's silly to say that small cars are unusable on the motorway
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