How to prepare a car for TRACK days ???
03 January 2011, 12:17 AM
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03 January 2011, 12:24 AM
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order them from eurocarparts fast road department in wembley head office and ask for tony M or darren and tell him ginge sent ya and see what they can do for you, cant promise you anything though as i no longer work there but im sure they will do something
03 January 2011, 12:27 AM
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May I ask what discs do you use and where from? Ian from GODSPEED BRAKES quoted me £199 for front and rear grooved discs and kevlar pads all round which sounds really good. I definately need pads for road use with occassionaly track events not proper track ones. In this case Yellowstuff is what i'm looking for.
03 January 2011, 12:33 AM
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i use Autex discs on my impreza,,,,,, cause they cost me 7 quid each and i get a no quibble warranty on them as i used to work for the company that owns autex, my pads ****ing eat through them though
i dont have drilled discs as i never needed them just yet ( aint fast enough) but next year im gonna fit AP's and get carbon lorraine pads and groved discs, you only use/need drilled discs for organic compound for the gas to release off the disc face as sintered pads dont get brake fade at all due to no organic gas build up that causes the fade but you still need the groves to chamfer the pad face
i dont have drilled discs as i never needed them just yet ( aint fast enough) but next year im gonna fit AP's and get carbon lorraine pads and groved discs, you only use/need drilled discs for organic compound for the gas to release off the disc face as sintered pads dont get brake fade at all due to no organic gas build up that causes the fade but you still need the groves to chamfer the pad face
03 January 2011, 12:39 AM
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Thanks for everything Ginge and rest of you Guys. I think I found what I was looking for :-)
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03 January 2011, 10:21 AM
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Enjoyed reading this as I am also wanting to do track days this year.
It's not cheap changing bits and bobs to suit track days .
Just when you think "I'm sorted and ready" you need to do something else.
I'm changing the oil pump and water pump on mine and adding a oil cooler. Also getting the car fully serviced with fluids changed - (not just engine oil which I tend to do) and belt even though the current belt has only been on for 12k.
Worst thing for me is changing the exhaust. RCM want £400 for just the back box I need to get me by for a track day.
Steve
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It's not cheap changing bits and bobs to suit track days .
Just when you think "I'm sorted and ready" you need to do something else.
I'm changing the oil pump and water pump on mine and adding a oil cooler. Also getting the car fully serviced with fluids changed - (not just engine oil which I tend to do) and belt even though the current belt has only been on for 12k.
Worst thing for me is changing the exhaust. RCM want £400 for just the back box I need to get me by for a track day.
Steve
Steve
03 January 2011, 12:29 PM
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I would enjoy your first couple of sessions before laying out wads of cash to add extras to your car, but be sensible especially in braking as this is the weakest link for a heavy saloon on standard brakes they could overheat suddenly if you are the last of the late breakers and you may miss a corner as the pedal goes to the floor and you do not stop, treat them well and you will have no problems.
A few laps with a instructor is the best money spent and you will find you will drive faster and smoother and safer and thus be easier on the car as well.
I generally shortened my service intervals to compensate for a track day and used the best oil I could afford (Motul )
Try to incorperate a cooling lap to help cool the car down before coming in to pits and drive off boost and be gentle on brakes.
When you come in from your laps open the bonnet to help the car engine cool and leave engine running to circulate fluids as they cool down.
Park on flat ground do not put on the hand brake as the hot pads/discs will transfer heat to the brake flluid and it will get hotter while parked up!
I reccomend taking out all stuff from the boot etc.to make car rattle free and a bit lighter, you do not want stuff flying around inside the car.
But as a novice a good service should be enough for your first time on track and do the checks already outlined on the thread before and during your day.
I used my first Impreza for a track day but thereafter used an old 205 GTI which worked out cheaper and just as much fun!
A few laps with a instructor is the best money spent and you will find you will drive faster and smoother and safer and thus be easier on the car as well.
I generally shortened my service intervals to compensate for a track day and used the best oil I could afford (Motul )
Try to incorperate a cooling lap to help cool the car down before coming in to pits and drive off boost and be gentle on brakes.
When you come in from your laps open the bonnet to help the car engine cool and leave engine running to circulate fluids as they cool down.
Park on flat ground do not put on the hand brake as the hot pads/discs will transfer heat to the brake flluid and it will get hotter while parked up!
I reccomend taking out all stuff from the boot etc.to make car rattle free and a bit lighter, you do not want stuff flying around inside the car.
But as a novice a good service should be enough for your first time on track and do the checks already outlined on the thread before and during your day.
I used my first Impreza for a track day but thereafter used an old 205 GTI which worked out cheaper and just as much fun!
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03 January 2011, 12:59 PM
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Enjoyed reading this as I am also wanting to do track days this year.
It's not cheap changing bits and bobs to suit track days .
Just when you think "I'm sorted and ready" you need to do something else.
I'm changing the oil pump and water pump on mine and adding a oil cooler. Also getting the car fully serviced with fluids changed - (not just engine oil which I tend to do) and belt even though the current belt has only been on for 12k.
Worst thing for me is changing the exhaust. RCM want £400 for just the back box I need to get me by for a track day.
Steve
Steve
It's not cheap changing bits and bobs to suit track days .
Just when you think "I'm sorted and ready" you need to do something else.
I'm changing the oil pump and water pump on mine and adding a oil cooler. Also getting the car fully serviced with fluids changed - (not just engine oil which I tend to do) and belt even though the current belt has only been on for 12k.
Worst thing for me is changing the exhaust. RCM want £400 for just the back box I need to get me by for a track day.
Steve
Steve
400 quid for a back box
oil cooler if it is thermostatic is a good idean but the rest just seems silly
03 January 2011, 01:13 PM
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Only read the first page but i would look to upgrade the brakes - pads and disks at a bare minimum and new callipers as and when you can afford to do them.
03 January 2011, 05:27 PM
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Thank You VERY much guys !!!
I understand all your recommendatios but...
Do I really need things such as oil cooler, high flow thermostat or bigger radiator ? I know that it would be nice to have but these things cost :-(
It will be my first time on the track and will not be pushing car to it's limits so... I'll make sure that brakes will handle it and check all fluids ect.
I've got boost and oil presure gauges fitted already so will know how the engine feels like.
I don't think that people whose going on the track for first time have got their cars professionaly prepared. Of course, if i'll have funds to fit all these uprated things at one time, i'll do it but at the moment can't afford it. I just want to have fun not necessary doing 24h Le Mans :-)
What about you guys ?
How your first track day was look like?
I understand all your recommendatios but...
Do I really need things such as oil cooler, high flow thermostat or bigger radiator ? I know that it would be nice to have but these things cost :-(
It will be my first time on the track and will not be pushing car to it's limits so... I'll make sure that brakes will handle it and check all fluids ect.
I've got boost and oil presure gauges fitted already so will know how the engine feels like.
I don't think that people whose going on the track for first time have got their cars professionaly prepared. Of course, if i'll have funds to fit all these uprated things at one time, i'll do it but at the moment can't afford it. I just want to have fun not necessary doing 24h Le Mans :-)
What about you guys ?
How your first track day was look like?
You dont need anything. A bone stock car can run quite a few laps with no problems. But your oiltemps (oil should be thick by the way, 10-50minimum IMO) must be kept low, dont go to far above 110C. You can get far with a high flow 70C thermostat. I cant say it enough. Temperatures kills engine. "nothing" else.
Oh, and stick to street or other "****ty" tires. R tires/slicks tires can easily cover your faults, and you learn nothing. Learn to drive on bad tires. Dust em all on R tires.
My first track day? Well that was in rallycross. But first street car track day was in a 200SX turbo, GT2871RS 300bhp, big radiator , stock water cooled oil cooler, but stock thermostat. Twisted the cylinder head after 5 rounds of over 100C coolant(temp sensor was still in center).
The same car, with 8PSI more boost, did over 50 laps a month later, and gave med 3 years of fun with absolutely no problems. Only mod was nismo high flow 64C thermostat.
03 January 2011, 05:51 PM
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Not sure if it is a problem with classics, but my blob eye hasn't had any issue with oil temps on track. Done quite a few tracks in hot conditions (summer days, ambient temp approx 24C) and never seen oil temp over 100C without any additional oil cooler or changing the thermostat (using 5W40 silkolene race stuff)
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