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Tell me Pete why do you quote the torque figure in NM rather than LBS feet? ![Ponder2](images/smilies/ponder2.gif)
I think you will find that 340NM is not that actually that much, in 2002 I had a fully loaded Audi A3 TDi Quattro Sport and it was an outstanding mile muncher and quite frankly it would have jumped all over your Honda in performance and quality terms.![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
It handled well due to the 4WD system but even back in 2002 it was £27,500 so as I see it the diesel have not really progressed a great deal since then.![Cuckoo](images/smilies/cuckoo.gif)
I suppose that Honda may have caught up recently with Diesel technology that has been available from European manufacturers for some time...![Lol1](images/smilies/lol1.gif)
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I think you will find that 340NM is not that actually that much, in 2002 I had a fully loaded Audi A3 TDi Quattro Sport and it was an outstanding mile muncher and quite frankly it would have jumped all over your Honda in performance and quality terms.
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It handled well due to the 4WD system but even back in 2002 it was £27,500 so as I see it the diesel have not really progressed a great deal since then.
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I suppose that Honda may have caught up recently with Diesel technology that has been available from European manufacturers for some time...
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hmmmm, Honda are (and have been for many years) the Worlds largest engine manufacturer....they dont need to "catch up" with euroboxes in terms of engines, that i will say.
This thread keeps ticking over, what we have is an old fella, in an old fella's car; rattling the young fella's up at every given opportunity.
My challenge here is this is SNET, not HondaNET; so i for one would appreciate the lectures around costs ending; some time soon.
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How many diesels have 190 bhp and 350 lb ft unless you get to the realms of £40k 3 litre BMW 330/335, which when driven hard enough to keep up with Imprezas only return around 30 mpg anyway ? In addition, there's nothing more 'Chavy' than the sight of a hard driven diesel with a smokey black exhaust a la Del Boy.
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Youve said it yourself
more Power
Drivability
something a diesal lacks,
MPG questionable, yes its claimed but in reality nobody maps for that gain.
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I 'think' I am right that the 2.2 Diesel I have is their first foray into the Diesel arena - they got it spot-on too.
Sadly, that engine cannot meet the tougher EU Emmission regs so is being phased out - so, if you want one, time is running out!
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How many diesels have 190 bhp and 350 lb ft unless you get to the realms of £40k 3 litre BMW 330/335, which when driven hard enough to keep up with Imprezas only return around 30 mpg anyway ? In addition, there's nothing more 'Chavy' than the sight of a hard driven diesel with a smokey black exhaust a la Del Boy.
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So Honda cannot develop an engine to meet the Euro 5/6 emissions legislation, that's laughable. You will probably find they went for a 2.2 litre engine as their engine will not meet the Euro 4 legislation at 2.0 litre or lower, by using a larger CC they can get away with it by offsetting the emissions against the CC.
At work we have 7,9,11,13 and 16 litre engines which already meet the Euro 5 & 6 legislation, and Euro 7 will already be in development.
At work we have 7,9,11,13 and 16 litre engines which already meet the Euro 5 & 6 legislation, and Euro 7 will already be in development.
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Yes, between 1500 and 4000 RPM it's a rocket ship .... learn to change at 3500 and you get to do it all again .... all the way up to 6th gear!!
It's brilliant - you should see the faces on the Scooby owners as I fly by ...... big BHP ain't no good if you haven't got that Torque, see?
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Yes, between 1500 and 4000 RPM it's a rocket ship .... learn to change at 3500 and you get to do it all again .... all the way up to 6th gear!!
It's brilliant - you should see the faces on the Scooby owners as I fly by ...... big BHP ain't no good if you haven't got that Torque, see?
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Yes, between 1500 and 4000 RPM it's a rocket ship .... learn to change at 3500 and you get to do it all again .... all the way up to 6th gear!!
It's brilliant - you should see the faces on the Scooby owners as I fly by ...... big BHP ain't no good if you haven't got that Torque, see?
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Thats funny, I thought that BHP was a direct result of torque combined with revs. I.e. BHP is the underlining measure of what power can be had from a car and how fast it will go.
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340 nm is approx 250.7 ftlb, is that enough for you to get excited about?? Trying not to compare chalk & cheese, the impreza 2.0D RX diesel is 258 ftlb & I'd say impreza awd would do it for me, ONLY if I had to choose derv in a life or death scenario.
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Yes, between 1500 and 4000 RPM it's a rocket ship .... learn to change at 3500 and you get to do it all again .... all the way up to 6th gear!!
It's brilliant - you should see the faces on the Scooby owners as I fly by ...... big BHP ain't no good if you haven't got that Torque, see?
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will this rocket ship be appearing on any 1/4 mile strips etc this year? or will you be calculating your latest mpg
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its bad that i kind of agree with pete here, i'm actually just about to sell one of my imprezas due to the fact i've had two now that have been so unreliable i have been kind of put off the marque. i know i've been unlucky but i don't have a bottomless pit and have decided to go to a mondeo diesel for a while, the tdci 130. with a remap it might just make 155bhp and quite a bit of torque which i know is not comparable to the scoobs but i may be able to save up some money again from the fuel and road tax which is less and get my silver impreza back on the road again one day.
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Very true....power is not everything.....it's tourque what matters off the line BUT,i bet scoobies are not trying enough as they see an old man sitting at the wheel
They are just not prepeared someone to shoot off the traffic lights with a diesel civic in the 1st thing i reckon. Next time u see a chav
in a scoob at the trafic lights, rev your engine so he can be ready, just up to the limit m8 40-50 mp/h . Oh dear u would be left if i start on boost in my 1st or 2nd gear. Anyways it's a nice everyday diesel car u have there . But thats jut all it is, everyday family hatch. I'd have that as everyday and keep my scoob as a weekend fun, no matter the cost etc., can't compare a finger with a di*k
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I know that my Scooby was absolute crap if caught off boost .... that's when I get 'em see?
Overtaking is another area where the Honda shows how to do it ..... whooooosh, gone on a wave of torque fuelled acceleration.
Wake up, smell the coffee, a lot of fun can be had for a fraction of the costs involved in running a Scooby - Scoobys are great, always have been ..... but, they should be left for the hobbyists, weekenders and Chavs!
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its bad that i kind of agree with pete here, i'm actually just about to sell one of my imprezas due to the fact i've had two now that have been so unreliable i have been kind of put off the marque. i know i've been unlucky but i don't have a bottomless pit and have decided to go to a mondeo diesel for a while, the tdci 130. with a remap it might just make 155bhp and quite a bit of torque which i know is not comparable to the scoobs but i may be able to save up some money again from the fuel and road tax which is less and get my silver impreza back on the road again one day.
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You may have a point there .... a chav in a Scooby looks across as the lights turn amber, sees a 72 year old in a Civic Diesel and thinks nothing of it - until the OAP floors it and slickly moves up gears keeping the Honda on boost and, quite frankly, humiliating the Scooby ..... the chav has barely touched his Burberry GearKnob when the Honda and OAP have disappeared over the horizon!! Such fun ![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
I know that my Scooby was absolute crap if caught off boost .... that's when I get 'em see?
Overtaking is another area where the Honda shows how to do it ..... whooooosh, gone on a wave of torque fuelled acceleration.
Wake up, smell the coffee, a lot of fun can be had for a fraction of the costs involved in running a Scooby - Scoobys are great, always have been ..... but, they should be left for the hobbyists, weekenders and Chavs!![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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I know that my Scooby was absolute crap if caught off boost .... that's when I get 'em see?
Overtaking is another area where the Honda shows how to do it ..... whooooosh, gone on a wave of torque fuelled acceleration.
Wake up, smell the coffee, a lot of fun can be had for a fraction of the costs involved in running a Scooby - Scoobys are great, always have been ..... but, they should be left for the hobbyists, weekenders and Chavs!
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its bad that i kind of agree with pete here, i'm actually just about to sell one of my imprezas due to the fact i've had two now that have been so unreliable i have been kind of put off the marque. i know i've been unlucky but i don't have a bottomless pit and have decided to go to a mondeo diesel for a while, the tdci 130. with a remap it might just make 155bhp and quite a bit of torque which i know is not comparable to the scoobs but i may be able to save up some money again from the fuel and road tax which is less and get my silver impreza back on the road again one day.
good choice im going for a tdci 2.2 tdci and having a remap
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True - Honda make very fine engines.
I 'think' I am right that the 2.2 Diesel I have is their first foray into the Diesel arena - they got it spot-on too.
Sadly, that engine cannot meet the tougher EU Emmission regs so is being phased out - so, if you want one, time is running out!
I 'think' I am right that the 2.2 Diesel I have is their first foray into the Diesel arena - they got it spot-on too.
Sadly, that engine cannot meet the tougher EU Emmission regs so is being phased out - so, if you want one, time is running out!
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