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Old 22 June 2012, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by adam405sti
No you are basically making your own assumptions. Media uses women as sex tools in order to sell products. What does that mean the media are sick too?
I think you are having a hard time differentiating between sexual desire and sexual violence.
Old 22 June 2012, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I've learnt to take media stats with a pinch of salt. I would carry out some research of your own
Old 22 June 2012, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I think you are having a hard time differentiating between sexual desire and sexual violence.
A thought process leads to a desire for something which in turn leads to an action.
Old 22 June 2012, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's in the Guardian a left wing rag FFS and it quote figures which come from a 3rd party. You are free to verify them yourself.

The article was trying to dismantle the 'prejudice' that asians are overrepresented in sex gangs but had to conclude this was difficult given the evidence.
I read the article, seems you misinterpret everything and take things out of context to suit you're own mindset on a regular basis, no need for the "ffs", did you not like the links I posted?

When You're proven wrong you always seem to use the "its not me its papers i read, im innocent" excuse.
Old 22 June 2012, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by adam405sti
No you are basically making your own assumptions. Media uses women as sex tools in order to sell products. What does that mean the media are sick too?
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Old 22 June 2012, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
That is shocking and sick, you are basically blaming the victims for being abused and raped.
I think its you that is shocking and sick. Its shocking that you could stoop so low and accuse another person of being sick, its sick putting words into their mouth which they have not said and twisting it to suit your own agenda.
Old 22 June 2012, 10:46 PM
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Bottom line is sick acts such as this don't have a colour, race or religion. Man/woman consists of a basic nature and their thinking process and ability to take something on board to turn it into an act is down to every individual to ensure they are a good embassador of their community/region/etc. It's that ability in question here and that has no colour as I stated earlier.
Old 22 June 2012, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
That is shocking and sick, you are basically blaming the victims for being abused and raped.

I agree

Adam, sorry mate but you are smacking of double standards with your comment. You seem to be saying colour/religion is not relevant in the current topic of this thread. Yet you say a woman, being dressed for summer, usually scantily (which is our choice) is asking for trouble.
What those people did was terrible, and they needed to feel the full force of the law, no matter what religion/colour or nationality they are. Same as anyone who thinks how a woman dresses is an excuse for a person thinking they can take advantage. All the same thing to me.
Old 22 June 2012, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by adam405sti
I've learnt to take media stats with a pinch of salt. I would carry out some research of your own
Yes and the evidence shows that 'Asians' are massively overrepresented in sex grooming gangs.

Please don't consider this an attack on 'Asians' because it isn't.
Old 22 June 2012, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by adam405sti
Bottom line is sick acts such as this don't have a colour, race or religion. Man/woman consists of a basic nature and their thinking process and ability to take something on board to turn it into an act is down to every individual to ensure they are a good embassador of their community/region/etc. It's that ability in question here and that has no colour as I stated earlier.
The difference is not colour but it's culture and an engrained mindset, and certain types of those are represented more in some groups of people than others - groups which can consist of people of a particular ethnicity.
Old 22 June 2012, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BugSti Malone
I think its you that is shocking and sick. Its shocking that you could stoop so low and accuse another person of being sick, its sick putting words into their mouth which they have not said and twisting it to suit your own agenda.
To be fair here, this is what adam said:

in summer mainly naked women walking the streets, its like showing a starving lion food and saying you can't have it!!!!! Its part of ones innate nature to eat.

Even to me, and I rarely agree with tony, at all, but I thought it came across like almost saying women are 'asking for it'. I don't think it was a case of putting words in to somebody's mouth to be honest.

Just because a woman might wear less than some people may think she should, doesn't make her fair game and open to abuse. There are plenty of women who wear little, particularly in good weather (men also often reduce the amount of clothes worn), there are also plenty of men that may well eye them up, but not decide to rape them.
Old 22 June 2012, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
To be fair here, this is what adam said:

in summer mainly naked women walking the streets, its like showing a starving lion food and saying you can't have it!!!!! Its part of ones innate nature to eat.

Even to me, and I rarely agree with tony, at all, but I thought it came across like almost saying women are 'asking for it'. I don't think it was a case of putting words in to somebody's mouth to be honest.

Just because a woman might wear less than some people may think she should, doesn't make her fair game and open to abuse. There are plenty of women who wear little, particularly in good weather (men also often reduce the amount of clothes worn), there are also plenty of men that may well eye them up, but not decide to rape them.
He gets far more right than he gets wrong.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
He gets far more right than he gets wrong.
In your opinion, maybe. I'm not getting into an argument over that.
Old 23 June 2012, 12:02 AM
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That lion comment... wtf?!! I don't even know where to start.
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
In your opinion, maybe. I'm not getting into an argument over that.
Jolly good.
Old 23 June 2012, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
That lion comment... wtf?!! I don't even know where to start.
Unreal, wasn't it
Old 23 June 2012, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lee247
I agree

Adam, sorry mate but you are smacking of double standards with your comment. You seem to be saying colour/religion is not relevant in the current topic of this thread. Yet you say a woman, being dressed for summer, usually scantily (which is our choice) is asking for trouble.
What those people did was terrible, and they needed to feel the full force of the law, no matter what religion/colour or nationality they are. Same as anyone who thinks how a woman dresses is an excuse for a person thinking they can take advantage. All the same thing to me.
I agree they need to feel the full force of the law.

If you look at any action, there is a root to where the action stems from. A problem cannot be solved unless the root is understood. You are missing my point fella, this was not an attact on how women choose to dress or not dress in this case, it's an example i.e man and women have needs and wants and going on from that there is a way in order to fulfill them, either respectfully (marriage, partner) or otherwise. Media has sexualised everything even selling a toothbrush.

Man is exploiting women whether you agree or not that's down to you. Its this exploitation which generates revenue. So as long as it generates revenue it makes it ok does it? Which in turn makes women feel they have to conform to norms which have been laid out by the "elite" which has its mind on its money and its money on its mind. It sounds like me and you have different levels of values. My values are laid out by the one who created me. I didn't have a go at how women chose to dress, its their money and their wardrobe. I did not state its an excuse for any immoral act these are your words, i gave a cause and effect "scenario", didn't give an excuse for such a low down act.

Why was it not normal for women to dress like they do now 30-40 years ago?
IMO its a steady morale decline and there are many factors which have contributed to this.

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Old 23 June 2012, 12:11 AM
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This has everything to do with race and colour, they would never do it to their own "community" they prey on non-asian girl due to having very little respect for them. But their actions will result in a reaction and that will end up with the far right jumping on the band wagon.
Old 23 June 2012, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by adam405sti
I agree they need to feel the full force of the law.

If you look at any action, there is a root to where the action stems from. A problem cannot be solved unless the root is understood. You are missing my point fella, this was not an attact on how women choose to dress or not dress in this case, it's an example i.e man and women have needs and wants and going on from that there is a way in order to fulfill them, either respectfully (marriage, partner) or otherwise. Media has sexualised everything even selling a toothbrush.

Man is exploiting women whether you agree or not that's down to you. Its this exploitation which generates revenue. So as long as it generates revenue it makes it ok does it? Which in turn makes women feel they have to conform to norms which have been laid out by the "elite" which has its mind on its money and its money on its mind. It sounds like me and you have different levels of values. My values are laid out by the one who created me. I didn't have a go at how women chose to dress, its their money and their wardrobe. I did not state its an excuse for any immoral act these are your words, i gave a cause and effect "scenario", didn't give an excuse for such a low down act.
Err, but you did. I copy for you:

(i.e in summer mainly naked women walking the streets, its like showing a starving lion food and saying you can't have it!!!!! Its part of ones innate nature to eat. )

I am not a "fella" btw.
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Stop using the f****** word 'Asian', it's a euphemism form Pakistani. Just say Pakistani you pathetic weaklings.

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Originally Posted by Lee247
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I am not a "fella" btw.
If your not a fella what are you a madam. Sorry madam didn't mean to offend you
Old 23 June 2012, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by adam405sti
If your not a fella what are you a madam. Sorry madam didn't mean to offend you
You didn't offend me at all. We are debating and disagreeing
You can call me Duchess
Old 23 June 2012, 12:29 AM
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So can someone answer this please? Do pedo's have something to do with a majority coming from a certain race/background?
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Originally Posted by Lee247
You didn't offend me at all. We are debating and disagreeing
You can call me Duchess
Haha the duchess is on SN...quality but don't think so i'm afraid

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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
The difference is not colour but it's culture and an engrained mindset, and certain types of those are represented more in some groups of people than others - groups which can consist of people of a particular ethnicity.
Like this guy you mean? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...efinitely.html
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Originally Posted by BugSti Malone
So is this a continuing pattern? Certainly looks it doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by adam405sti
So can someone answer this please? Do pedo's have something to do with a majority coming from a certain race/background?

No, they come from all backgrounds and need destroying. I care not what colour they are, they are scum
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Originally Posted by adam405sti
Haha the duchess is on SN...quality but don't think so i'm afraid

Afraid of what I thought we were having a discussion. You have not offended me in the slightest. No idea why you changed your post, There was nothing wrong with it.
Duchess signing out, bedtime
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Originally Posted by Lee247
No, they come from all backgrounds and need destroying. I care not what colour they are, they are scum
We are on mutual grounds on this
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
To be fair here, this is what adam said:

in summer mainly naked women walking the streets, its like showing a starving lion food and saying you can't have it!!!!! Its part of ones innate nature to eat.

Even to me, and I rarely agree with tony, at all, but I thought it came across like almost saying women are 'asking for it'. I don't think it was a case of putting words in to somebody's mouth to be honest.

Just because a woman might wear less than some people may think she should, doesn't make her fair game and open to abuse. There are plenty of women who wear little, particularly in good weather (men also often reduce the amount of clothes worn), there are also plenty of men that may well eye them up, but not decide to rape them.
When did he say "women are asking for it"??? That IS putting words into some ones mouth!

I think you're very deluded if you really believe that some women dont enjoy getting attention from the opposite sex, some women I know openly admit they crave this kind of attention and deliberately use their charms to get their own way.

You are not that naive to believe this does not happen so dont pretend you are. Nobody is saying this is a justifcation for rape.


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