Lee247

I like you. Goodnight

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

I think a majority will agree, immoral acts don't have a colour or race so lets not try and play clever cloggs.

Anyone who commits such crimes should be dealt with in the severest possible way, life imprisonment (not 15 years and out), death sentence etc.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

hey easy now duchess

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

The actual point mentioned was women under dressing in summertime. Some may like/want the attention, some actually just like the clothes and want to keep cool, just like a bloke wandering around in shorts with no top on. Not every woman out there is trying to tempt, which was suggested in the comment. I'm not the fittest woman in the world, but I never the less, at times put on a sleeveless top to get a bit sun on my skin (in moderation), in no way do I try to tempt anyone, I am very happy and settled.

I'm not naive to what can go on, but I still find the comment very general and suggests that women, no matter what there reason for how they dress, are purely sexual objects and it is ok to view them like that, and potentially act out. That is how it came across to me, and several others as it appears.

Sti Addict

No, now you are just being pedantic, it didnt come across like that at all, you were just jumping on the bandwagon sticking up for the usual suspects that are quite clearly racist, you used it as a pretext to condone the bs they like to spout. Its quite obvious.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

The comment was not intended for this manner. It was merely a scenario (possibly could have been a better one but hey). I currently have workmen outside my house. Been here 2 weeks. A 8 hour shift consists of alot of perving on women. Couldn't stop to notice mainly on women who have less on than others.

That was my point, one day, one of these guys might get fed up of perving and take it a step further. It seems like a natural reaction for them just like picking up their shovels. Don't get me wrong i got nothing against builders/road/gas workers.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

Don't normally post on here. Looks like its better kept that way. I think some of you guys should get out a little more often. Fresh air is good for you.

jonc

No more than your assertion that all men want to have sex with a woman who may be dressed provocatively.

You a sweeping statement that exploitation of women by men (not forgetting that women also use it to exploit men) is the cause of "low morality" in society. Sure there is sexualisation of both men and women in the media but there is a huge gulf between using sex to sell and the horribly depraved acts of a pedophile!!

Depravity still occurs in countries where religious cultures have women fully covered up, exploited and do not no have the same rights to that of a man, where women who have been raped are guilty of adultary or subject to stoning to death for holding hands with a man in public...where's the morality in that?! Is what I said a sweeping statement?

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

Men are more likely to look at a woman who has less on than a woman who has more on lets face it. Now its this gaze/glare/look whatever you want to call it which can cause further problems....enough of them and the bubble can burst so to speak...is there difficulty in understanding this Jon? No they have equal rights but different responsibilities...a man cannot give birth.

Ok now your going down a different road. So where do you put the high levels of crime in this country whats that down to then?
Robbery, Burglary, rape, teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, family breakdown, alcohol abuse....the list is endless. Also like to add most of these are the highest here in the UK than any other European country check the stats for yourselves. Where is the morality in this?

Your implying its a product of society right?

Can you please shed some light on this Jon?

and this is just on violence http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

If i was to throw 2 sweets on the floor. 1 is wrapped and the other is un-wrapped which one would you pick up and eat?

I know which one i'll be picking up and eating

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Think what you like. I felt it came across that way, and if you bother to look back at any of my posts in the past with regards to my opinions to some of the stuff posted by some people on this site, I think you'll find your comment couldn't be further from the truth!

GlesgaKiss

I think it's you that needs to get out more. You sound quite detached from reality.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

A woman should be free to dress how she wishes without fear that a man thinks he then has a right to abuse her. That says a lot about a man's lack of control. At the end of the day, most men wouldn't consider any wrong doing just because a woman is walking down the street without being fully covered. Many might look, very few would go any further. The ones who would, well that is clearly a problem with them. For the record, I am not looking at any of these comments with race or colour in mind, I'm purely responding to a comment.

If people want to make out otherwise, again that says more about them, than it does me. Making out I support racism just because I disagree with one point made here, is frankly pathetic.

GlesgaKiss

I think the main point here, Lisa, is that to the vast majority of men in this country, rape is not a 'natural next step' to 'perving', and that includes 'workmen'. This guy is clearly a crackpot.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Exactly.

jonc

So who's fault is it if a man's "bubble bursts" and attacks a women who happens to have less on?

So in context of this debate, what you're saying is that you would consider any women showing a bit of flesh is fair game?

First of all, your statement has nothing to do with morality, but more to do in the way how crime is reported and how the figures are represented in the statistics from country to country. Secondly there are many factors leading up to the crimes you listed and is ludicrous to think that sexualisation of women is the root of all this.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

Hey i'm chuffed to find someone in tune with reality...

I quite frankly i have plenty of time for discussion but no time for racists.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

There you go again misquoting. Clearly you do not understand the root of the problem. Fair game for me is my wife and she chooses to dress modestly funnily enough as this is something laid out by our faith in order to protect the woman from the evil gaze and uphold her high status within society. So don't go try putting words in my mouth again.

The stats i gave were a mere reflection of the society we live in...not a link with this and sexualisation. If you can't get something as simple as this right then we do have problems.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

I did not say it was a "natural" next step. I would suggest studying in a little more depth the nature of man and woman alike and his make up. Also i would also look into if you care to take time and read at all what the criteria for actions are.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

Things that are normal now were not normal 40 years ago. What do you put that down to modernisation or a government taking care of our affairs?

jonc

I wasn't misquoting you or trying to put words in your mouth, they were just questions related to your post to which I would be interested to hear your answers.

I would also appreciate if you could, in layman's terms, explain and help me understand the root of this problem.

jonc

Things that were normal 40 years ago were not normal 80 years ago or a 100 years etc etc, what is your point?

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

It sounds like you understand it so no need to explain.

JTaylor

If one's not allowed to shake hands with a women for fear of the contact inducing an erection, one shouldn't be allowed on the streets of Britain.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

heres another member of society with a warped outlook on life...

you make the streets of Britian sound like a pinicle of success. You seen stats recently? Its worrying.

GlesgaKiss

Where did you find this objective standard of the nature of man and woman? And the criteria for actions?

JTaylor

Under evolved, sexually repressed men whose ideology encourages abuse ought to be rounded up and disappeared back to their medieval dust bowls. Alas, this can't happen so I prescribe a process of re-education or, failing that, a special register for men who can't shake hands with women because they find it too damned erotic.

adam405sti

iTrader: (14)

I think the only one here in the medieval dust bowl is you. Who has a very limited and one dimensional outlook on life. If One wills to protect and keep his modesty in tact is all of a sudden a weirdo, then the state of affairs we see ourselves in are understandable.

JTaylor

You see, this is where our cultures are incompatible. British, liberal men of culturally Christian heritage simply don't find or consider hand shaking erotic and as such we don't need to keep our "modesty in tact". It's simply not considered to be in danger. In terms of social evolution your outfit has the sexual maturity of a hormonal adolescent. We've had the 60s for goodness sake!

Truss

iTrader: (2)

With JTaylor on this one.
If i were to go to dubai with my girlfriend would i be allowed to show affection to her publically? No, because its is at least frowned upon in there country snd sometimes in isolated cases a police matter.
We as a western country respect that on the whole, why cant people respect our views here?
Back to the point, although many of these pakistani gangs are surfacing in the media, theres still many other non asian/pakistani into this sort of thing.
As for the starving lion comment, what a ****ing stupid thing to say; Im a 24 year old lad full of testosterone lol. I frequent bars and clubs full of half naked women and i've not got my name on the sex offenders register. Its called self restraint to say the least.