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21 January 2011, 03:57 PM
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I'm not. It's not a game, it's a statement of fact. We are of course discussing the contemporary notion of Semitism, not the biblical.
Seperately, what are your thoughts on this:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...edirected=true
Palestinian perfidy, specifically, the deliberate placing of combatants midst civilians. When the IDF move in to Jenin or Balata to route out would-be suicide bombers, responsibilty for civilian deaths is with the PA or Hamas or Al-Qeada or the PLO.
So, suicide-murderers, and the use of human shields: Does this make you "against" Palestine?
Seperately, what are your thoughts on this:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...edirected=true
Palestinian perfidy, specifically, the deliberate placing of combatants midst civilians. When the IDF move in to Jenin or Balata to route out would-be suicide bombers, responsibilty for civilian deaths is with the PA or Hamas or Al-Qeada or the PLO.
So, suicide-murderers, and the use of human shields: Does this make you "against" Palestine?
21 January 2011, 04:09 PM
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Indeed. As an extension of that, there are still people who regularly contribute to (well, get involved with) these threads who are unable to distinguish between Muslims, Islam and Islamism. It's either too complicated for them, they're too lazy to learn or, worse, they'll deliberately engage in obscurantism where it suits.
21 January 2011, 05:45 PM
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21 January 2011, 05:47 PM
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I have solidarity with any opressed people, it just so happens that Palestinians feature highly becuase the shocking crimes committed against the palestinian people by Israel and is supporters has a knock on effect all over the world including the UK. Years of UK American and Russian support for Israels crimes has helped create a definate divide between the Islamic and christian world that helps those who gain self importance from terrorism find easy reccruits. From a point of view of a paelstinian who has had their own children wife or relatives murdered by the IDF why would they not support terrorism against the west ? Western leaders support Israel in their treatment of Palestinians as a sub human species with no right to life land or freedom and we support those leaders.
If an Arab nation acted they way Israel do we would probably find an excuse to invade yet we don't make the slightest effort to curb their excess', A simple round of economic sanctions and an arms embargo against Israel may get their attention and even stop terrorist attacks from being targeted at the UK. Frankly the fact that we trade with Israel is a joke.
If an Arab nation acted they way Israel do we would probably find an excuse to invade yet we don't make the slightest effort to curb their excess', A simple round of economic sanctions and an arms embargo against Israel may get their attention and even stop terrorist attacks from being targeted at the UK. Frankly the fact that we trade with Israel is a joke.
21 January 2011, 10:34 PM
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Of which, you have STILL not been capable of commenting on your friends' sidestepping, whilst being right on me with that accusation. I suggest that you are seriously sidestepping this issue even to the extent of tarnishing your own reputation.
This point you have. You're pressing me to condemn Tony, well, it ain't happening. It's playground bullying 'cos you don't like the guy and his worldview. I want no part of that.
Goodnight, Asif.
21 January 2011, 10:40 PM
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No, it was not a good post.
Tony goes to huge lengths to explain why he thinks no one else but Palestinians can support them. But he on the other hand, because he has an 'interest', can support Israel, even though he is not Israeli.
Does this, plus your own selective support of only specific allies of the West, ie Israel, but not Saudi, not show the two of you up to being completely inconsistent in your views and just on a complete wind up?
Tony goes to huge lengths to explain why he thinks no one else but Palestinians can support them. But he on the other hand, because he has an 'interest', can support Israel, even though he is not Israeli.
Does this, plus your own selective support of only specific allies of the West, ie Israel, but not Saudi, not show the two of you up to being completely inconsistent in your views and just on a complete wind up?
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21 January 2011, 10:54 PM
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It means that you were pressing me to round on someone and that I refused. Nothing more. If you want to get back into that thread I'll happily point out that you seemed unfamiliar with the differences between Wahhabi teachings and Qutbism were of little relevance. On this thread you've stated that religion is of little or no import. You seemed perplexed my reference to the Book of Ezekiel. I'm not that convinced of your familiarity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics.
21 January 2011, 11:02 PM
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No, it was not a good post.
Tony goes to huge lengths to explain why he thinks no one else but Palestinians can support them. But he on the other hand, because he has an 'interest', can support Israel, even though he is not Israeli.
Does this, plus your own selective support of only specific allies of the West, ie Israel, but not Saudi, not show the two of you up to being completely inconsistent in your views and just on a complete wind up?
Tony goes to huge lengths to explain why he thinks no one else but Palestinians can support them. But he on the other hand, because he has an 'interest', can support Israel, even though he is not Israeli.
Does this, plus your own selective support of only specific allies of the West, ie Israel, but not Saudi, not show the two of you up to being completely inconsistent in your views and just on a complete wind up?
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21 January 2011, 11:02 PM
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It means that you were pressing me to round on someone and that I refused. Nothing more. If you want to get back into that thread I'll happily point out that you seemed unfamiliar with the differences between Wahhabi teachings and Qutbism were of little relevance. On this thread you've stated that religion is of little or no import. You seemed perplexed my reference to the Book of Ezekiel. I'm not that convinced of your familiarity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics.
21 January 2011, 11:02 PM
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It means that you were pressing me to round on someone and that I refused. Nothing more. If you want to get back into that thread I'll happily point out that you seemed unfamiliar with the differences between Wahhabi teachings and Qutbism were of little relevance. On this thread you've stated that religion is of little or no import. You seemed perplexed my reference to the Book of Ezekiel. I'm not that convinced of your familiarity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics.
You said I had a point but you were not going to do/say anything about it. This is because he is either your friend, so you are going to be inconsistent to stay on his side. Or you just like to be inconsistent?
I'm not convinced of your integrity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics?
21 January 2011, 11:03 PM
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Load of ****e.Nobody has come up with a credible reason for supporting them. You can take a humanist stance (which nobody has done explicitly) and say that you have solidarity for that reason, but otoh there is much suffering in this world so why disproportionately focus on the Palestinians...and how can you take that position when Hamas, Hezzbollah etc are completely amoral?
21 January 2011, 11:12 PM
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Nobody has come up with a credible reason for supporting them. You can take a humanist stance (which nobody has done explicitly) and say that you have solidarity for that reason, but otoh there is much suffering in this world so why disproportionately focus on the Palestinians...and how can you take that position when Hamas, Hezzbollah etc are completely amoral? Also no humanist would need to use lies and propaganda which just makes me thing the Palestinian 'cause' is weak.
Feel free to call me humanist or whatever. I cannot claim to be part of any political party or group, so feel free. It makes no difference to me.
I have called it common sense and decency, but you choose to decry that. Shame on you.
Please don't tell me it is the fault of X, Y , or Z. You do not know the answers any more than the next person. I personally find it incredible that BOTH sides find it easier to kill each other then to not kill each other.
If you are still wondering why there are so many 'Islamist sympathisers' or 'anti semites' (that either you or JT referred to in an earlier post) around, there are not.
There are just people here who don't believe your view that it is all the fault of one side over the other and prefer balance. You need to realise this and come off your crusade. Trust me it is all in your mind.
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21 January 2011, 11:15 PM
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https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=276
And my response to the Saudi question is in this polemic.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=256
21 January 2011, 11:18 PM
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Your view of my consistency is inconsistent, Asif.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=276
And my response to the Saudi question is in this polemic.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=256
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=276
And my response to the Saudi question is in this polemic.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=256
James. If you had always shown inconsistency I would have no point to make, would I? You USED to be, or you are in every other regard. Does that help?
Your other post is not your finest moment on SN to be honest. I wouldn't advertise that around myself.
21 January 2011, 11:20 PM
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Sorry did you want to change the subject?
You said I had a point but you were not going to do/say anything about it. This is because he is either your friend, so you are going to be inconsistent to stay on his side. Or you just like to be inconsistent?
I'm not convinced of your integrity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics?
You said I had a point but you were not going to do/say anything about it. This is because he is either your friend, so you are going to be inconsistent to stay on his side. Or you just like to be inconsistent?
I'm not convinced of your integrity with the subject, perhaps that's why you engage in personality politics?
21 January 2011, 11:22 PM
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Feel free to call me humanist or whatever. I cannot claim to be part of any political party or group, so feel free. It makes no difference to me.
I have called it common sense and decency, but you choose to decry that. Shame on you.
Please don't tell me it is the fault of X, Y , or Z. You do not know the answers any more than the next person. I personally find it incredible that BOTH sides find it easier to kill each other then to not kill each other.
If you are still wondering why there are so many 'Islamist sympathisers' or 'anti semites' (that either you or JT referred to in an earlier post) around, there are not.
There are just people here who don't believe your view that it is all the fault of one side over the other and prefer balance. You need to realise this and come off your crusade. Trust me it is all in your mind.
I have called it common sense and decency, but you choose to decry that. Shame on you.
Please don't tell me it is the fault of X, Y , or Z. You do not know the answers any more than the next person. I personally find it incredible that BOTH sides find it easier to kill each other then to not kill each other.
If you are still wondering why there are so many 'Islamist sympathisers' or 'anti semites' (that either you or JT referred to in an earlier post) around, there are not.
There are just people here who don't believe your view that it is all the fault of one side over the other and prefer balance. You need to realise this and come off your crusade. Trust me it is all in your mind.
I never said Israel were or have been blameless. They have their faults I do admit but I believe their political system is able to moderate and disempower the extreme right-wing settlers etc. They have a much more functional political system which I believe is capable of making rational and reasonable decisions, otoh you have Hamas with a mandate of ethic cleansing and perpetual conflict, a product of a bad political system which encourages extremist, you have Hezzbollah in Lebanon again extremists, they brought war to the South just to empower themselves politically. These are states/pseudo states where dysfunctional and bad/extreme political decisions seem to be made by default....to the detriment of the people.
21 January 2011, 11:28 PM
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21 January 2011, 11:31 PM
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I tell you what James, go back to what you wrote and explain exactly what you meant by it. Exactly what 'point' did you concede?
21 January 2011, 11:31 PM
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21 January 2011, 11:36 PM
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This thread has gone the usual way with the usual hypocrisy from the two usual providers of hypocrisy claiming their usual moral and intellectual high ground when one ignores any argument that doesn't suit the agenda and the other cuts and pastes form BBC, Wikipedia etc. thereby trying to appear knowledgeable. Utterly tiresome!!
21 January 2011, 11:40 PM
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Anyway, I'm anti-Semantic, so if you don't mind.