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Old 20 January 2011 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GREGGYG
That car is the ultimate death trap for some unsuspecting potential buyer and his/her family. How would we all feel if someone bought this car and we heard at a later date that the car fell apart, or similar, at high speed and killed all the occupants???

Ive just copied and sent the HPI report to the dealer asking if he is aware of the car's history.

I will let you know his reply.

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Well said
Old 20 January 2011 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by j4mou
buying from a trader is safer than buying privatly dont forget
Yeah, totally safe!
Car has a shocking history.
Walk, no, run away now! And shame on dealer for not supplying info on add. The again, I could have told you that when I saw the price.
Old 20 January 2011 | 02:14 PM
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Should tell the police. Try and get them to go down there as a potential customer and see what he says. Then close him down and do him for at least fraud.
Old 20 January 2011 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Markfey
Should tell the police. Try and get them to go down there as a potential customer and see what he says. Then close him down and do him for at least fraud.
Wishful thinking. I bet the police couldn't care less to be honest. Better off starting a thread on here with the dealer name followed by 'ROBBING *****!'
Should pop up on google then.
Old 20 January 2011 | 04:42 PM
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If this car has been through the wars (twice) then why is it still stickered up as if it has just come off the Tokyo Highway?

Surely those stickers wouldn't have been applied in the UK after the last rebuild?

Do they translate as "write-off - do not drive"?

Ringer?
Old 20 January 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Then again, is that plate history for a proper write-off, but its been assigned to a recent import and HPi haven't lost details of its previous reincarnation?
Old 20 January 2011 | 04:54 PM
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^ only way to tell is for someone to go have a look for us !
Old 20 January 2011 | 05:00 PM
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What I don't get is how come there is a further entry after the car was Cat B written off. If this car came up again in 2009, why hasn't anything been done about it.

As said above, the cops probably wouldn't be interested yet someone buys the car then has an RTA in which they die as a result of some issue with the car, would you not think that the cops have an element of liability?


There is an 05STI near me for sale - black with 60 or 70K for £7800. Looks OK to me from pics and story sounds straight enough. I'd buy it anyway.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2216290.htm

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Old 20 January 2011 | 06:09 PM
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Looked too good to be true. Cant belive a dealer wouldnt do a Hpi check on a car that renowned for getting stolen. Should be interesting when the seller replies
Old 20 January 2011 | 09:11 PM
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Someone is going to be unlucky when they buy that.
Old 20 January 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Wow cant believe this, how is it still on the road?
Old 20 January 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by EddScott
What I don't get is how come there is a further entry after the car was Cat B written off. If this car came up again in 2009, why hasn't anything been done about it.

As said above, the cops probably wouldn't be interested yet someone buys the car then has an RTA in which they die as a result of some issue with the car, would you not think that the cops have an element of liability?


There is an 05STI near me for sale - black with 60 or 70K for £7800. Looks OK to me from pics and story sounds straight enough. I'd buy it anyway.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2216290.htm
In these instances, try Trading Standards, they deal with such issues, not the police
Old 20 January 2011 | 09:28 PM
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Could the car be a ringer?

Stolen car on a scrapped car's plates?

Mind you you'd have to be a little daft to ring a car with a reg thats on vcar...
Old 20 January 2011 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris 9-5
Could the car be a ringer?

Stolen car on a scrapped car's plates?

Mind you you'd have to be a little daft to ring a car with a reg thats on vcar...
Its passed VIC. If it rung its been done well as its true identity has been missed. More likely a reshell.
Either way VIC is no assurance of the car being properly repaired.
Not worth thinking about to be honest, too many possibilities as to its history.
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Originally Posted by Chris 9-5
Could the car be a ringer?

Stolen car on a scrapped car's plates?

Mind you you'd have to be a little daft to ring a car with a reg thats on vcar...
Its passed VIC. If it rung its been done well as its true identity has been well hidden. More likely a reshell. What is the provenance of the shell?
Either way VIC is no assurance of the car being properly repaired.
Not worth thinking about to be honest, too many possibilities as to its history.
Certainly an expensive £8k as you won't know what you've bought.
Old 20 January 2011 | 10:20 PM
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Glad I came across this thread my m8 had been interested in that car.
Old 20 January 2011 | 10:37 PM
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it looks lovely but thats shocking a dealer can get away with selling that bloody death trap.
Old 20 January 2011 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomwrx
it looks lovely but thats shocking a dealer can get away with selling that bloody death trap.
Scary stuff huh
Old 20 January 2011 | 11:10 PM
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OK can someone explain this to me in simple terms as I genuinely don't get it.

If the car has been recorded as scrapped, bodyshell should have been crushed then how can it be passed to be back on the road a little while later. Surely any car recorded as scrapped should NEVER be allowed back on the road by the DVLA?
Old 21 January 2011 | 12:01 AM
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Can't see how this can be done "legitimately", as either way, reg is recorded as a Cat B so it should not be on the road.
VIC has been introduced and Q plates have gone since I was examining rung vehicles in the early 90s.......
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
OK can someone explain this to me in simple terms as I genuinely don't get it.

If the car has been recorded as scrapped, bodyshell should have been crushed then how can it be passed to be back on the road a little while later. Surely any car recorded as scrapped should NEVER be allowed back on the road by the DVLA?
Hi F1.

It certainly used to happen. At one time I was a supervisor in a motor insurance claims office. As I recall we completed the report to the DVLA after our engineer confirmed the vehicle to be a total loss. For Cat A & B it was the salvage dealer's duty to ensure the salvage was crushed. I suspect that this vehicle is still on the road due to a dodgy salvage dealer!

FWIW, the salvage categories followed these lines:

- Cat D : Only a total loss on economic grounds when the salvage value is taken into account. Repairable

- Cat C : An economic total loss. Repairable.

- Cat B : Unsafe to repair regardless of cost (typically severe impact damage). Parts can be sold by salvage dealer.

- Cat A : Not repairable and no salvage value (eg a burn out).

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Old 21 January 2011 | 12:21 AM
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Could someone have purchased it to use for 'motorsport' and then someone else bought it and couldn't see why it couldn't be put on the road? But surely either way a stealer must have checked it out before he got it and to advertise it so publicly on Autotrader he must be a d*** or expensive scrap metal................
Old 21 January 2011 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
Hi F1.

It certainly used to happen. At one time I was a supervisor in a motor insurance claims office. As I recall we completed the report to the DVLA after our engineer confirmed the vehicle to be a total loss. For Cat A & B it was the salvage dealer's duty to ensure the salvage was crushed. I suspect that this vehicle is still on the road due to a dodgy salvage dealer!

FWIW, the salvage categories followed these lines:

- Cat D : Only a total loss on economic grounds when the salvage value is taken into account. Repairable

- Cat C : An economic total loss. Repairable.

- Cat B : Unsafe to repair regardless of cost (typically severe impact damage). Parts can be sold by salvage dealer.

- Cat A : Not repairable and no salvage value (eg a burn out).

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Ah OK yes I see that, but I guess my question is why do the DVLA allow a car recorded as scrapped to be put back on the road?
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I've not had a reply yet. I will wait till the morning then email the website email address directly, and if I get no response, then I will email the York Consumer Standards office with the HPI report.

That ad is a MASSIVE misrepresentation of that car by the omission of the significant negative history.

Greg
Old 21 January 2011 | 12:23 PM
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If the car was listed as Cat D when it was only 8 months old that must have been serious. A £20,000 + car that is not economical to repair but only listed as Cat D. The Cat B it had afterwards was obviously structually serious.
Old 21 January 2011 | 04:29 PM
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A lot of policies offer a new for old replacement on vehicles less than a year old, so the first one is no biggy really.
I struggle to see how VOSA would pass a VIC on a cat B vehicle. Very strange. If the vehicle received a scrap marker, the only way to register it is under a new number, as a built up vehicle under SVA approval, certainly not under the original reg. There should be NO WAY DVLA should issue a Log book after a scrap marker has been recorded.

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There's something very wrong with that car. Apart from Category B being 'break for spares and crush the bodyshell', how many UK blob eye cars do you see on an 06 plate?
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I had thought the same about the car being an 06 plate since hawks came in on 55 plate.....does'nt seem right, certainly is the only 06 plate blob i've seen

Guess when you consider its past it will have spent a lot of time in a body shop....hence the low mileage..

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OK, here is the reply from East Riding Trading Standards regarding this STi:

I refer to your complaint about the Subaru Impreza offered for sale by Trade Sales in Market Weighton which has been passed to me for investigation.

Although I have dealt with a lot of unroadworthy car complaints this aspect of a car being a write-off and then put back on the road is not something that I personally have dealt with before and so I have spoken to the Vehicle Inspectorate regarding the v car register aspect. The person I spoke to explained to me that a Cat B can in certain instances be repaired and put back on the road - (the tone of his voice indicated that it would be preferable if this didnt happen) and that the only category that can not be repaired is an A. However, I do want to look at this further and I have been given another contact in the VI to ring tomorrow so they can access the MOT history.

If there is any more that you can tell me about this matter I would welcome a call from you.

Thank you for raising this matter with us

Yours sincerely


Michelle Dunn
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Nice one Greg. Keep us posted on this. Would like to see the out come.



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