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28 January 2011, 12:13 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xw21x
above is a nice progamme I listened to yesterday (only short)
it debunks all those Islamist stories that permeate the British media (scaring idiots in their wake)
above is a nice progamme I listened to yesterday (only short)
it debunks all those Islamist stories that permeate the British media (scaring idiots in their wake)
28 January 2011, 12:53 PM
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The problem with all these web links is they are just opinions and they use selective facts to support those opinions.
The thing that makes me laugh above is I get told to become an activist when it is the writer who spends much of his time bellyaching oiver his 'War on Islamism' and who probably needs to find an outlet for his fears and prejudices. I could suggest a few
As for Iran why all this talk of invasion and military action. What is wrong with letting the UN do its job and send in the weapons inspectors if we are all so worried. I know that didn't work in Iraq as he hid all his WMDs ... so well it would seem that no one has ever found them or any evidence of them
Seriously why is it the first thought of the US the UK and a faction of SN come to that to get stuck in with yet more unjust and costly (in more ways than one) military action. A very weird mindset in all honesty.
The thing that makes me laugh above is I get told to become an activist when it is the writer who spends much of his time bellyaching oiver his 'War on Islamism' and who probably needs to find an outlet for his fears and prejudices. I could suggest a few
As for Iran why all this talk of invasion and military action. What is wrong with letting the UN do its job and send in the weapons inspectors if we are all so worried. I know that didn't work in Iraq as he hid all his WMDs ... so well it would seem that no one has ever found them or any evidence of them
Seriously why is it the first thought of the US the UK and a faction of SN come to that to get stuck in with yet more unjust and costly (in more ways than one) military action. A very weird mindset in all honesty.
28 January 2011, 01:09 PM
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The problem with all these web links is they are just opinions and they use selective facts to support those opinions.
The thing that makes me laugh above is I get told to become an activist when it is the writer who spends much of his time bellyaching oiver his 'War on Islamism' and who probably needs to find an outlet for his fears and prejudices. I could suggest a few
As for Iran why all this talk of invasion and military action. What is wrong with letting the UN do its job and send in the weapons inspectors if we are all so worried. I know that didn't work in Iraq as he hid all his WMDs ... so well it would seem that no one has ever found them or any evidence of them
Seriously why is it the first thought of the US the UK and a faction of SN come to that to get stuck in with yet more unjust and costly (in more ways than one) military action. A very weird mindset in all honesty.
The thing that makes me laugh above is I get told to become an activist when it is the writer who spends much of his time bellyaching oiver his 'War on Islamism' and who probably needs to find an outlet for his fears and prejudices. I could suggest a few
As for Iran why all this talk of invasion and military action. What is wrong with letting the UN do its job and send in the weapons inspectors if we are all so worried. I know that didn't work in Iraq as he hid all his WMDs ... so well it would seem that no one has ever found them or any evidence of them
Seriously why is it the first thought of the US the UK and a faction of SN come to that to get stuck in with yet more unjust and costly (in more ways than one) military action. A very weird mindset in all honesty.
F1 - sorry matey but your last statement is just inaccurate. We have been in negotiation with Iran for a decade now on this issue, so we can hardly be accused of rushing to war, can we?
I think we absolutely should go all the extra miles diplomatically to get Iran to change course, but ultimately we may have to do something militarily. Let's hope not, let's hope that the good people of Iran can get rid of their current leaders, or that their current leaders start making some sensible choices.
28 January 2011, 01:29 PM
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A good balanced article that, thanks for the link.
It doesn't though, does it? When framing the piece, it's stated that "there are legitimate reasons why Muslims are featured in media reports (he references 7/7).....British Muslims have been found guilty of plotting failed bombing missions or inciting terrorism and some are extremely hostile to Western lifestyle and doubts about immigration policy and multiculturalism can seem hostile. The accusation today is that some newspapers focus disproportionately on the negative." Before going on to criticise the Star, Mail, Sun and the Express. No argument here, their journalism is abysmal.
I'm also pleased that the article exposes some of the EDL membership as the deficient knuckle draggers that they are.
I'm also pleased that the article exposes some of the EDL membership as the deficient knuckle draggers that they are.
28 January 2011, 01:33 PM
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F1 - sorry matey but your last statement is just inaccurate. We have been in negotiation with Iran for a decade now on this issue, so we can hardly be accused of rushing to war, can we?
I think we absolutely should go all the extra miles diplomatically to get Iran to change course, but ultimately we may have to do something militarily. Let's hope not, let's hope that the good people of Iran can get rid of their current leaders, or that their current leaders start making some sensible choices.
I think we absolutely should go all the extra miles diplomatically to get Iran to change course, but ultimately we may have to do something militarily. Let's hope not, let's hope that the good people of Iran can get rid of their current leaders, or that their current leaders start making some sensible choices.
28 January 2011, 01:47 PM
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28 January 2011, 02:05 PM
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It doesn't though, does it? When framing the piece, it's stated that "there are legitimate reasons why Muslims are featured in media reports (he references 7/7).....British Muslims have been found guilty of plotting failed bombing missions or inciting terrorism and some are extremely hostile to Western lifestyle and doubts about immigration policy and multiculturalism can seem hostile
I can't remember the exact figures but I seem to recall a rediculously low conviction rate on use of our terror laws - no wonder muslims feel persecuted
and on a related point, just this morning I was listening to Linda Norgrove parents on the radio taling about her the death.
The initial reports suggested she had a booby trapped vest on, which was then detinated by her kidnappers, when in fact she was killed by a tragic accident (I would never condemn the military in a situation like that)
but my point is, had not the worlds media (including the eyes of our PM) been all over this story I doubt the original report would have ever been questioned, and it would have gone down in history as another Muslim atrocity -- and it this continual drip drip that I worry about
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yes, I agree wholehartedly with the statement and sentiment above, but it needs to be married with a balanced outlook.
I can't remember the exact figures but I seem to recall a rediculously low conviction rate on use of our terror laws - no wonder muslims feel persecuted
and on a related point, just this morning I was listening to Linda Norgrove parents on the radio taling about her the death.
The initial reports suggested she had a booby trapped vest on, which was then detinated by her kidnappers, when in fact she was killed by a tragic accident (I would never condemn the military in a situation like that)
but my point is, had not the worlds media (including the eyes of our PM) been all over this story I doubt the original report would have ever been questioned, and it would have gone down in history as another Muslim atrocity -- and it this continual drip drip that I worry about
I can't remember the exact figures but I seem to recall a rediculously low conviction rate on use of our terror laws - no wonder muslims feel persecuted
and on a related point, just this morning I was listening to Linda Norgrove parents on the radio taling about her the death.
The initial reports suggested she had a booby trapped vest on, which was then detinated by her kidnappers, when in fact she was killed by a tragic accident (I would never condemn the military in a situation like that)
but my point is, had not the worlds media (including the eyes of our PM) been all over this story I doubt the original report would have ever been questioned, and it would have gone down in history as another Muslim atrocity -- and it this continual drip drip that I worry about
The doves and the hawks are both engaged in a battle for hearts and minds. It's hard work if you're a dove who runs out of reasons to maintain that position. Rebecca West's guide, Constantine, expresses this best in Black Lamb and Grey Falcon: "for the sake of my country, and perhaps for the sake of my soul, I have given up the deep peace of being in opposition."
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29 January 2011, 01:33 PM
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Can you justify the possession of such weapons by the USA and this country as well as others, but not another country?
I was underlining the difference in attitude of Ahmedinejad and his citizens in the main.
What do you personally think should be done about that situation?
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29 January 2011, 05:35 PM
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How exactly is that 'excellently put'? The reason I did not respond before is because Les's argument is so full of holes I didn't know where to start?
We absolutely do have justification for preventing Iran having Nuclear arms, it's called the non-proliferation treaty to which Iran are signatories. Iran continue to lie a decieve about what they are up to, hardly behaviour of a country that has 'justification' for developing WMD.
And this idea that we cannot do anything until AFTER Iran has started a nulcear war is just bizarre, surely this is the whole point of preventing them getting these weapons in the first place.
I do agree we should be getting rid of Nukes, I fully support those who believe we should not be updating our own rather expensive nuclear weapons
I promise you one thing, a Nuclear armed Iran will be a disaster for the region, a disaster for the people of Iran, and a disaster for the world economy.
If you think you are paying high fuel prices today, just see how much you're paying the day after Iran announces it has a fully functioning weapon!
We have to keep the pressure of that regime, and not let them think for one minute that they are going to get away with this.
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How exactly is that 'excellently put'? The reason I did not respond before is because Les's argument is so full of holes I didn't know where to start?
We absolutely do have justification for preventing Iran having Nuclear arms, it's called the non-proliferation treaty to which Iran are signatories. Iran continue to lie a decieve about what they are up to, hardly behaviour of a country that has 'justification' for developing WMD.
And this idea that we cannot do anything until AFTER Iran has started a nulcear war is just bizarre, surely this is the whole point of preventing them getting these weapons in the first place.
I do agree we should be getting rid of Nukes, I fully support those who believe we should not be updating our own rather expensive nuclear weapons
I promise you one thing, a Nuclear armed Iran will be a disaster for the region, a disaster for the people of Iran, and a disaster for the world economy.
If you think you are paying high fuel prices today, just see how much you're paying the day after Iran announces it has a fully functioning weapon!
We have to keep the pressure of that regime, and not let them think for one minute that they are going to get away with this.
We absolutely do have justification for preventing Iran having Nuclear arms, it's called the non-proliferation treaty to which Iran are signatories. Iran continue to lie a decieve about what they are up to, hardly behaviour of a country that has 'justification' for developing WMD.
And this idea that we cannot do anything until AFTER Iran has started a nulcear war is just bizarre, surely this is the whole point of preventing them getting these weapons in the first place.
I do agree we should be getting rid of Nukes, I fully support those who believe we should not be updating our own rather expensive nuclear weapons
I promise you one thing, a Nuclear armed Iran will be a disaster for the region, a disaster for the people of Iran, and a disaster for the world economy.
If you think you are paying high fuel prices today, just see how much you're paying the day after Iran announces it has a fully functioning weapon!
We have to keep the pressure of that regime, and not let them think for one minute that they are going to get away with this.
What nucelear weapons? What WMDs? You seem certain Iran has them. How so?
29 January 2011, 06:36 PM
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As for whether Iran has them or not, all I'd sat is we'd better be sure before we ever take any action - I think we've all learned plenty from Iraq actually!
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I think my reticence is to see another Iraq unfold. Going in on a pretext to find that it is all conjecture for a second time would not sit well with the Arab world or many other countries come to that.
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How exactly is that 'excellently put'? The reason I did not respond before is because Les's argument is so full of holes I didn't know where to start?
We absolutely do have justification for preventing Iran having Nuclear arms, it's called the non-proliferation treaty to which Iran are signatories. Iran continue to lie a decieve about what they are up to, hardly behaviour of a country that has 'justification' for developing WMD.
And this idea that we cannot do anything until AFTER Iran has started a nulcear war is just bizarre, surely this is the whole point of preventing them getting these weapons in the first place.
I do agree we should be getting rid of Nukes, I fully support those who believe we should not be updating our own rather expensive nuclear weapons
I promise you one thing, a Nuclear armed Iran will be a disaster for the region, a disaster for the people of Iran, and a disaster for the world economy.
If you think you are paying high fuel prices today, just see how much you're paying the day after Iran announces it has a fully functioning weapon!
We have to keep the pressure of that regime, and not let them think for one minute that they are going to get away with this.
We absolutely do have justification for preventing Iran having Nuclear arms, it's called the non-proliferation treaty to which Iran are signatories. Iran continue to lie a decieve about what they are up to, hardly behaviour of a country that has 'justification' for developing WMD.
And this idea that we cannot do anything until AFTER Iran has started a nulcear war is just bizarre, surely this is the whole point of preventing them getting these weapons in the first place.
I do agree we should be getting rid of Nukes, I fully support those who believe we should not be updating our own rather expensive nuclear weapons
I promise you one thing, a Nuclear armed Iran will be a disaster for the region, a disaster for the people of Iran, and a disaster for the world economy.
If you think you are paying high fuel prices today, just see how much you're paying the day after Iran announces it has a fully functioning weapon!
We have to keep the pressure of that regime, and not let them think for one minute that they are going to get away with this.
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I see the Dutch have cut off ties with Iran now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12317138
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12317138
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