The Chinese are coming!
16 February 2011, 10:29 AM
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They will sell cheap weapons to corrupt African war lords etc for mineral rights, they are pure business with business being the only ethic. At least the West is held to some sort of ideological standards and liberalism etc even if it falls short at times.
Idiotic African leaders make a pose of welcoming China as a defiance against old colonial enemies but they will be milked dry just even more relentlessly. At least the 19th century colonialist believed in a higher purpose - promoting civilization etc. China will just exploit 1000 times more.
Idiotic African leaders make a pose of welcoming China as a defiance against old colonial enemies but they will be milked dry just even more relentlessly. At least the 19th century colonialist believed in a higher purpose - promoting civilization etc. China will just exploit 1000 times more.
On that we certainly agree
16 February 2011, 10:29 AM
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Idiotic African leaders make a pose of welcoming China as a defiance against old colonial enemies but they will be milked dry just even more relentlessly. At least the 19th century colonialist believed in a higher purpose - promoting civilization etc. China will just exploit 1000 times more.
16 February 2011, 10:32 AM
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They will sell cheap weapons to corrupt African war lords etc for mineral rights, they are pure business with business being the only ethic. At least the West is held to some sort of ideological standards and liberalism etc even if it falls short at times.
Idiotic African leaders make a pose of welcoming China as a defiance against old colonial enemies but they will be milked dry just even more relentlessly. At least the 19th century colonialist believed in a higher purpose - promoting civilization etc. China will just exploit 1000 times more.
Idiotic African leaders make a pose of welcoming China as a defiance against old colonial enemies but they will be milked dry just even more relentlessly. At least the 19th century colonialist believed in a higher purpose - promoting civilization etc. China will just exploit 1000 times more.
Exactly, I missed the last 20 minutes of the first episode but I did not see anything about the African children forced to sift through toxic sludge for nuggets of ore, or the thousands of unemployed African engineers unemployed while China imports thousands of it's own.
Of course the evil white devil is not involved so it is okay I guess.
16 February 2011, 10:36 AM
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Strange how the BBC paint the Chinese invasion in such a positive light, many contracts have been lost to the Chinese because European companies have demanded tougher anti corruption laws in return for investment where the Chinese don't give a stuff. Suret they are building a few schiils and malaria treatment centres but most of the infastructre is designed to export materials to the motherland but hey ho..
and I'm surprised he managed to get through with some of the interviews. Bungs and sweeteners are old hat, to do business it's sometimes a necessary evil. We need to stop being righteously indignant and start being selfish and thinking of our own interests.
16 February 2011, 10:37 AM
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Oh I agree they are a long way from pefect. I detest their human rights and animal rights records, but I do think that the world would benefit form another super power to keep America in check. On present evidence they need it.
16 February 2011, 10:38 AM
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Yup China can certainly take the high moral ground give who they get into bed with
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/7479923.cms
HARARE: China will seek to further strengthen ties with Zimbabwe . "Let me be frank. We believe there should be a lifting of sanctions," Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi said. President Robert Mugabe has been shunned by Western countries for decades over suspected human rights abuses and vote fraud. He has looked to China to shore up a shattered economy by showcasing rich mineral resources and the world's second biggest platinum reserves, which China covets to fuel its booming economy .
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mugab...reets-zimbabwe
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/7479923.cms
HARARE: China will seek to further strengthen ties with Zimbabwe . "Let me be frank. We believe there should be a lifting of sanctions," Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi said. President Robert Mugabe has been shunned by Western countries for decades over suspected human rights abuses and vote fraud. He has looked to China to shore up a shattered economy by showcasing rich mineral resources and the world's second biggest platinum reserves, which China covets to fuel its booming economy .
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mugab...reets-zimbabwe
16 February 2011, 10:40 AM
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Surely as a general rule though the American 'empire' is about commerce. How many countries does America do business with but does not have an 'occupation'?
....and why are we seeing many international oil companies - not just American - getting drilling rights in Iraq?
You do realise if America was not securing global peace with its military then China would have to? You need a hegamon to be able to have international trade and commerce. History shows this.
16 February 2011, 10:42 AM
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Two competing hegemons equal war and instability. Do you not read history?
16 February 2011, 10:43 AM
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America invaded Iraq that is not 'invades'.
Surely as a general rule though the American 'empire' is about commerce. How many countries does America do business with but does not have an 'occupation'?
....and why are we seeing many international oil companies - not just American - getting drilling rights in Iraq?
You do realise if America was not securing global peace with its military then China would have to? You need a hegamon to be able to have international trade and commerce. History shows this.
Surely as a general rule though the American 'empire' is about commerce. How many countries does America do business with but does not have an 'occupation'?
....and why are we seeing many international oil companies - not just American - getting drilling rights in Iraq?
You do realise if America was not securing global peace with its military then China would have to? You need a hegamon to be able to have international trade and commerce. History shows this.
16 February 2011, 10:43 AM
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16 February 2011, 10:46 AM
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16 February 2011, 10:49 AM
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There is more global peace now that at almost anytime in history. Post WW2 has been a historical anomaly. Like I said read your history.
Without American Hegemony we would not have had such rocketing global growth since WW2.
Without American Hegemony we would not have had such rocketing global growth since WW2.
16 February 2011, 10:52 AM
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Well leaving aside the fact what you have written is fantasy if we have such wonderful global peace why do you and your less significant chum keep talking about a war on Islamism then?
16 February 2011, 10:54 AM
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Absolutely agree, Chinese way of conducting business is not exactly ethical, they will do anything to get their way and they do seem to be quite power hungry. And you really dont have think twice how they managed to grown so immensely in such little time, given so little natural resources, surely its not through being timid.
16 February 2011, 11:22 AM
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Terrible to see the Rain Forest getting even more hammer to supply fuel for the furnaces, humans such a blight on this planet. Imagine how huge the Chinese population would be and how much larger their draw on natural resources would be though without their only one child law. However, I think the Chinese/Brazilian intermediary made a fair point when he pointed out that China is trading and not building an Empire like the British, invading and taking what they want.
16 February 2011, 11:33 AM
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Terrible to see the Rain Forest getting even more hammer to supply fuel for the furnaces, humans such a blight on this planet. Imagine how huge the Chinese population would be and how much larger their draw on natural resources would be though without their only one child law. However, I think the Chinese/Brazilian intermediary made a fair point when he pointed out that China is trading and not building an Empire like the British, invading and taking what they want.
16 February 2011, 11:49 AM
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People in china have mainly been very poor like the africans , so they dont see why africans should have more rights , i reckon . I doubt theyre buliding infrastructure like us tho .
Mugabe sure likes his new allies but hes too smart to sign the country away to them . Every Tom dick and Harry from all over is waiting just over the border in Beitbridge and Mutare to buy/ steal the countires diamonds
Mugabe sure likes his new allies but hes too smart to sign the country away to them . Every Tom dick and Harry from all over is waiting just over the border in Beitbridge and Mutare to buy/ steal the countires diamonds
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16 February 2011, 12:16 PM
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Terrible to see the Rain Forest getting even more hammer to supply fuel for the furnaces, humans such a blight on this planet. Imagine how huge the Chinese population would be and how much larger their draw on natural resources would be though without their only one child law. However, I think the Chinese/Brazilian intermediary made a fair point when he pointed out that China is trading and not building an Empire like the British, invading and taking what they want.
You need a system of laws and also enforced security for trading and commerce to flourish. That is why Empires expanded to do this.
China doesn't need to do this because America provides the security and now we have globalisation thanks to the British Empire (in the past) and the present American hegemony.
Either way the large economy at the center of the Empire exploits the lesser nations for raw materials.
16 February 2011, 12:29 PM
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The British Empire was never about pillaging it was an Empire of commerce.
You need a system of laws and also enforced security for trading and commerce to flourish. That is why Empires expanded to do this.
China doesn't need to do this because America provides the security and now we have globalisation thanks to the British Empire (in the past) and the present American hegemony.
You need a system of laws and also enforced security for trading and commerce to flourish. That is why Empires expanded to do this.
China doesn't need to do this because America provides the security and now we have globalisation thanks to the British Empire (in the past) and the present American hegemony.
hegemony <--- just throwing that in as it seems to need to be in every post right now
16 February 2011, 12:32 PM
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16 February 2011, 12:41 PM
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@ f1_fan
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...6&postcount=61
"For instance if we were so concerned about the regime in Iraq what about that in North Korea, Burma or Zimbabwe - all equally 'evil' in their own way."
You have no understanding of international politics, simply a rabid anti-American reaction. Untenable.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...6&postcount=61
"For instance if we were so concerned about the regime in Iraq what about that in North Korea, Burma or Zimbabwe - all equally 'evil' in their own way."
You have no understanding of international politics, simply a rabid anti-American reaction. Untenable.
16 February 2011, 01:05 PM
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16 February 2011, 01:08 PM
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Strange how the BBC paint the Chinese invasion in such a positive light, many contracts have been lost to the Chinese because European companies have demanded tougher anti corruption laws in return for investment where the Chinese don't give a stuff. Suret they are building a few schiils and malaria treatment centres but most of the infastructre is designed to export materials to the motherland but hey ho..
Les