Geezer

Jack, you have been reduced to ridiculousness now. Marcus has stated clearly an untenable position. If you are making a loss, then the consequences of not having an iOS app are actually beneficial.

Geezer

JackClark

You think all apps have to make money from direct sales, that's ridiculous.

IWatkins

Really Jack? And what are they exactly?

I work with two application development companies who are both stopping development for IOS because they are sick of the constant changes to the relationship between them and Apple. It is simply not worth the grief anymore for them.

In the software development industry, IOS is pretty much a niche market. If Apple continue to annoy developers the way they have over the past few years, they will just stop developing for the platform. And then the platform will die. It has happened before and it will happen again.

JackClark

You don't think that cutting off a large percentage of your customers has consequence?

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Basically that Apple have to compete or be pushed out of the market, I feel that has everything to do with the thread topic, the competitors are making better for cheaper, giving better vfm and better software.
Innovation is great but competition and better hardware/software normally wins the sales war

I would get your head out of Apple's **** and actually see whats happening out there, they are greedy and that will be their downfall.

Tony

JackClark

Me get out of Apple's ****, it's you that's trying to butt **** them at every occasion.

Bring it on I say, I can't wait to own a minority device again, trouble is Apple are 2 years ahead of the competition and keep pressing on. You'll now go on to tell me how this device has bigger numbers than that device, and I'll laugh.

scud8

iTrader: (1)

Some interesting numbers. Apple has about 15% of the worldwide smartphone market (by device) but makes 50% of the total profit. Almost twice as many Android devices were sold last year (as iOS) so it has a lot of momentum.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

oooooh yes, hence I own an Iphone 3GS and an Iphone4

Well if you keep your iphone for another week or two then it will be a minority device

Geez and you wonder why im telling you to get out of Apples ****
2 years in front? where have you been the competition has caught up and in area's now passed that benchmark that Apple set, so as im rather more open minded when it comes to telecoms, you need to take your blinkers off, especially where the chinese are involved, they will copy and improve on alot of stuff (hence my references to apples innovations), other companies will just out do apple through better (and more widely available) technologies, its what the people want, not what apple wants to give the people.

Tony

JackClark

What benchmark? Ten Billion Apps? 1.7 Billion revenue from App sales? Being able to provision those numbers? What benchmark are you talking about? OS installed on more cheap phones? 3D? Bigger processor number?

My iPhone is a 3GS, I didn't buy the 4, it's well over a year old and still more useful and usable than anything but an iPhone 4. Fact.

Geezer

If those customers are making you a loss, no. History shows plenty of markets that have been pulled out of because they are no longer viable. Just because you think iOS and the App store are cool, a chief exec who is looking at bottom line and return for his shareholders may have a quite different opinion.

Opinion. You seem to have trouble differentiating opinion and fact

Geezer

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

He's living in lala land
Even the "tekkies" in our place have binned the iphone4 for other handsets now because they are "better"

Tony

Markus

Depending on the exact market you are in, iOS is one of *the* platforms to be on, and I think ereading is one of those markets. It's going to get bigger this year as well. It's a very tricky position to be in, but who knows Apple might be waiting to see if there is a big who-ha about all this and revise it's IAP fees, or perhaps those with grounds for prior art in the area might be exempt from the rulings.

It seems as though in Europe there are some anti-trust investigations into the subscription side of things.

I think it was the chap that runs Rhapsody, or Last.fm has made a comment saying the new requirements are going to hurt them in the same way it hurts ebook vendors, and they are quite probably going to abandon the iOS platform as it will cost them too much.

What does it mean for customers, well, they will be narked off, question is, who with, the product owner for removing the app, or Apple for forcing the product owner into an untenable position? The states as we know is a very litigious place and I can see class action law-suits from angry customers against Apple for their draconian rules forcing company X to pull it's app from the store.

bigsinky

Well I am enjoying using my borrowed ipad

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Its always good when they are borrowed as if you bought one you feel cheated a little
We had our first taste on release date when they brought up the one from the test area, it was good fun until you started looking at it closely and finding it wasnt as practical as it should have been, still its a nice design though far from perfect.
New one is out later this year, should have some usb ports on (hopefully usb3's and not 2 )

I have commented on the other thread now that Jack put down about the new "First's" that Apple are going to do with the Mac Air, then just ripped it apart as none of it is a first.
SSD drives, Sony Vario over a year ago, thats with upto 6 hours battery like too on a first gen i7!
OSX and ARM chips, MS put a press release out a month before saying windows "8" will be compatable.
ARM chips as a major CPU.... well that may be interesting, intels chips are coming out at an alarming rate with the 22nm stuff coming out at the end of the year, their advancements in chip technology is leading edge, but its always nice to have some competiton
Nothing like blowing your own trumpet I say

Apple have some very good innovations but the rest is marketing rubbish and an overpriced brand, I can see them going under if they dont pull their finger out very soon....

Tony

GazTheHat

Blinkered Jack and his biased untrue opinions. There's fact and there's Jack's beliefs.

Geezer

Mmm, it would seem that it's not an ideal business model to everyone Jack......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12491883

Geezer

Markus

Grrrr *publishers* mentioned, but not *vendors*. BIG distinction there. Publishers can whine about 30%, but they are still getting 70% from the *vendor*, the vendor is the one who has to pay 70% to the publisher and then 30% to Apple.

JackClark

I never said it was ideal, a friend's app is pretty much useless now. But then he's been creaming £2,000 a month and fully admits he'd read the T's & C's and was in breach. Ideally for him, the free ride would continue.