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17 February 2011, 01:57 PM
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To be fair, I thought the thread had got off quite lightly. Considering the crowd in here, theres only one post with the word Muslim in it - looking at you Mr W 
Well, two posts now but you know what I mean.
If it all gets very bad we can always send in the "We don't do regime change" UN.
Well, two posts now but you know what I mean.
If it all gets very bad we can always send in the "We don't do regime change" UN.
Hasn't China been the dominant civilisation (and economy) in 9 out of the last 10 centuries. They're just having a little "blip" in the grand scheme of things 
17 February 2011, 02:36 PM
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And me, just imagine the uproar if he had said sand-n*ggers or rag-heads
Having been to Qatar and in particular Doha a number of times in 2006/-07 i did not find it particularly western really, even Doha was a building site full of immigrant workers on low wages. It was like Dubai only some 20 years ago but desperate to catch up. Westernised, maybe a few people who live in and work in the cities but the rest of the population live in the desert and tend to their animals, western civilisation only arrived there 15 or so years ago and still some catching up to do Myles
Having been to Qatar and in particular Doha a number of times in 2006/-07 i did not find it particularly western really, even Doha was a building site full of immigrant workers on low wages. It was like Dubai only some 20 years ago but desperate to catch up. Westernised, maybe a few people who live in and work in the cities but the rest of the population live in the desert and tend to their animals, western civilisation only arrived there 15 or so years ago and still some catching up to do Myles
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17 February 2011, 03:09 PM
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17 February 2011, 03:26 PM
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And me, just imagine the uproar if he had said sand-n*ggers or rag-heads
Having been to Qatar and in particular Doha a number of times in 2006/-07 i did not find it particularly western really, even Doha was a building site full of immigrant workers on low wages. It was like Dubai only some 20 years ago but desperate to catch up. Westernised, maybe a few people who live in and work in the cities but the rest of the population live in the desert and tend to their animals, western civilisation only arrived there 15 or so years ago and still some catching up to do Myles
Having been to Qatar and in particular Doha a number of times in 2006/-07 i did not find it particularly western really, even Doha was a building site full of immigrant workers on low wages. It was like Dubai only some 20 years ago but desperate to catch up. Westernised, maybe a few people who live in and work in the cities but the rest of the population live in the desert and tend to their animals, western civilisation only arrived there 15 or so years ago and still some catching up to do Myles
17 February 2011, 03:44 PM
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I think you will find the ruling family (Sheik Hammad) has a pretty big say in what happens despite there being a democratically elected government - which also contains some females (not just cleaners and dishwashers).
Nothing wrong with adopting or emulating the better parts of cultures at all. I for one would be happy for persistent thieves and burglars to loose a hand if they keep committing crimes.
Best not forget that the westernisation Qatar and its wealth are 99% dependant on oil & Gas and it not running out then it is back into the sand the cities and people will return to
As for the locals still in the dunes, i think you will find most want to keep the 'old ways' and a lot of those ways would be very alien and uncivilised (indeed seem medieval) to you.
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17 February 2011, 03:55 PM
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Imagine showing a film of a busy friday or saturday night and the disgusting state (some) people get themselves into pissing and throwing up in the streets, the fighting, the young girls dressed like ****** with little on and imagine how people from other more strict and respectful cultures would view this. would you want it for your family and children - hell NO!
17 February 2011, 04:36 PM
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You only have to look at this country and some of the home grown scumbags and scroungers milking the system and with no respect for others or themselves to realise how badly it can go wrong.
Imagine showing a film of a busy friday or saturday night and the disgusting state (some) people get themselves into pissing and throwing up in the streets, the fighting, the young girls dressed like ****** with little on and imagine how people from other more strict and respectful cultures would view this. would you want it for your family and children - hell NO!
Imagine showing a film of a busy friday or saturday night and the disgusting state (some) people get themselves into pissing and throwing up in the streets, the fighting, the young girls dressed like ****** with little on and imagine how people from other more strict and respectful cultures would view this. would you want it for your family and children - hell NO!
17 February 2011, 05:10 PM
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The price of freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, the right to free assembly and freedom of expression. Universal suffrage if you'd prefer. The only way to move toward a percieved utopia is via totalitarianism and a supporting ideology (communism, Islamism, Nazism) and the west has chosen to reject totalitarianism. We've chosen education and civilised society. Perhaps the answer is a big society, one where community leaders can positively influence their surroundings and where the unwanted side-effects of freedom are regulated through sound peer applied guidance.
Agreed, well with the caveat that people start to take responsibility that goes along with knowing and exercising their rights.
I am not religious by any stretch but do live by a moral code and i like to think i know right from wrong, good from bad.
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17 February 2011, 05:49 PM
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As ever, education (and more specifically the dialectic) are the key, coupled with a social conscience.
17 February 2011, 05:51 PM
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I'm of the view that knowing right from wrong is innate and manifest in most sound adults; of religion's role, I'd borrow from Pierre-Simon Leplace: "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothese-la". The challenge, as I see it, is the breakdown of 'the community', perpetuated by the 'big state'; we've become dependent on a central authority and fearful of legislation. Party politics are a significant hurdle: when Major talked of "getting back to basics" and now Cameron talks of "the Big Society", partisan Labour supporters (not clear thinking liberals I might add) cast doubt over the underlying motive: I genuinely believe they were and are centre-right attempts to devolve power out to the layman; an ideological shift from centralism.
As ever, education (and more specifically the dialectic) are the key, coupled with a social conscience.
As ever, education (and more specifically the dialectic) are the key, coupled with a social conscience.
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The price of freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, the right to free assembly and freedom of expression. Universal suffrage if you'd prefer. The only way to move toward a percieved utopia is via totalitarianism and a supporting ideology (communism, Islamism, Nazism) and the west has chosen to reject totalitarianism. We've chosen education and civilised society. Perhaps the answer is a big society, one where community leaders can positively influence their surroundings and where the unwanted side-effects of freedom are regulated through sound peer applied guidance.
The state will do this that, 'preserve' the 'culture', 'stop westernisation', stop 'moral decay' etc, give people what they want etc, 'protect' against the 'Americans' or 'Israel' or >insert external enemy<.
It's a dangerous idea that the vote - or government in general - can give you what you want.
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18 February 2011, 04:22 AM
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Imagine showing a film of a busy friday or saturday night and the disgusting state (some) people get themselves into pissing and throwing up in the streets, the fighting, the young girls dressed like ****** with little on and imagine how people from other more strict and respectful cultures would view this. would you want it for your family and children - hell NO!
18 February 2011, 07:36 AM
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18 February 2011, 07:42 AM
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I've seen 'strict and respectful' cultures and the sexual hypocrisy is staggering beneath the surface. It's much worse in many ways that what we have in the West.
Being respectful comes from personal conscience not a some strict moral/legal code enforced by iron rods.
Being respectful comes from personal conscience not a some strict moral/legal code enforced by iron rods.
18 February 2011, 08:12 AM
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lol - you really are a dumbkopf of the first order, have you been sniffing the barmaids apron and knickers again?
And you often come across as a trouble making numpty troll who cuts and pastes his way though wiki and other sites to back up his argument unless of course you cannot find what you need then you go silent or change the subject
Oh and point out exactly how i look like a fascist with a morale agenda from what i have written???
Zieg Heil!
And you often come across as a trouble making numpty troll who cuts and pastes his way though wiki and other sites to back up his argument unless of course you cannot find what you need then you go silent or change the subject
Oh and point out exactly how i look like a fascist with a morale agenda from what i have written???
Zieg Heil!
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18 February 2011, 10:15 AM
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18 February 2011, 05:26 PM
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