Kieran_Burns

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You know - I kind of think LPB was being ironic with the whole comment, including the Mumbai bit - throwing bigoted ignorance into stark relief by deliberately getting the country wrong.

I could of course be completely wrong

Norman D. Landings

Kieran,

Good point. My immediate assumption was that it based on religious grounds because a) The lady was clearly of Asian origin and dressed as such, coupled with the fact that my personal experiences lead me to believe (rightly or wrongly) that people wearing any kind of traditional dress are more likely to be adherers to whichever religion they practice, and b) I imagined that were it an allergy based requirement, then she'd be more likely to either buy pre-packed food labelled as 'containing no xyz and suitable for vegan/veggie/nut allergies/nut jobs' ( ) or bring her own.

I see your points though.

JTaylor

The analysis is right and it's the sentiment of that ultimate view that's troubling: the perception that everyone's out to get the man and other minorities. No matter how it's packaged, it's a victim mentality and completely counter-productive. Secular Muslims (by birth) such as Asif and Maz seem perfectly able stand up and be counted without this woe-is-me outlook; they bring something to the table.

Luan Pra bang

I would like to thank keiran burns for not being thick. I have no idea what Jtaylor is going on about. Just beacuse she is asian the lady on the que is representative of people who are ***** not asians The multi culturalism at work heading was pretty typical of the resurgence the whole 'see the colour first the person second mentality.'

I would like to know who's displaying the victim mentality though ? I really hope JTaylor did not mean me although as a white English atheist man I do feel a bit victimised by the femminst lobby denying my my basic rights to be a sexist pervert.

JTaylor

Fair one.

legb4rsk

Could it be a caste issue? The women in the queue asumes the server is of a lower caste so must aceede to her wishes?
I don't know if this applies in the UK .Do people who are brought up in that system assume it applies here as well?

tony de wonderful

That is a good point.

One problem with mass 3rd world immigration is that these people do not always come from cultures with proper civil societies where power is disseminated throughout society, due in part to a universal education system. Rich and talk to poor and vis versa because they maybe went to the same school. So you have old prejudices and divisions which still exist, disdain etc for people with menial jobs.

tony de wonderful

I was talking about yogic flying.

Lisawrx

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Believe me, when working in a 'menial' job alot of people look down on you, including people who really shouldn't. From my experience, differing races play very little part.

If I'm honest and had to pick out a different group who really do treat you as second class at best (other than white/English) I could, but I feel it best to leave that info out.

In truth, working in retail, it really is unbelievable how you are treated frequently like **** on peoples shoes, whilst they want you to help them. If I was ever in a position to leave, I would be very tempted to spend my notice telling people how I feel for a change, instead of having to just put up with rudeness from others.

Leslie

I think that is the answer. A very selfish person and you find those everywhere regardless of race etc.

Les

Turbohot

Agreed.
Looking at the snapshot, that is.

But we don't know the bigger picture. Looking at the situation narrowly, It is possible that this woman was subject to racism in past at that butty bar, and got attended later than others, deliberately. It is still out of order her punishing others for that by holding the queue, I know. But I am just saying that it's possible that she was a victim of being overlooked in past, due to her race. Let me confirm that it happens even in this century. Even the servers at some places have confirmed among their circle that they'd rather not serve a darkie, and ensure that they either wait as long as possible, or go empty-handed. I mean, egg n mayo is one of the commonest fillings, let's face it. So, she decided to teach the butty server a lesson, and acted awkward as ****, and very selfishly. Biatchtastic attitude, I agree.

Second possibility is that this butty bar doesn't employ enough servers, and it is usual for them to either run out of fillings, and they find it hard to re-make the fillings due to the lack of staff. I mean, they did have egg n mayo in their stock. Its not that they couldn't have that filling. Its hard to believe that they have less clientele interested in egg n mayo, and that's why they don't offer it.

Saying that, as I said before, It is possible that she simply is a mental patient with either obstinacy disorder (also known as hellbent disorder ) or OCD.

In any case, domino impact of any of above would cause inconvenience to others, regardless of your bap being brown or white.

The Zohan

Or, you could 'man-up' and admit you got it wrong

The Zohan

+1

When working in the middle east Indian and Pakistani immigrant workers where forever pushing in and invading personal space when in the malls or on the street. this was worse at the airports They where often pulled out and sent to the back of the ques by the guards and security. However these workers where generally uneducated (by western standards ) straight out of the fields and villages of their respective homelands - this is an observation not a slagging off

Luan Pra bang

Last I looked the majority of our current leaders come from a select group of public schools and universities, Westminster School, Eton and Oxford breed our leaders, Cameron is a descendent of William the IV. Long my it continue in my opinion the working class rarely have the genetics and education for leadership of a nation. The working class almost always make better entrepreneurs than the upper class though.

pigSTi

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I would have said something to her very loudly. My temper isn't as long as a 30 person que!

Stupid person.

Turbohot

This is, actually and generally, very true.

I can trufy () it further by adding that even book-educated ones in 3rd world countries push like ****! They simply don't have a concept. This, of course, can classify them as not so educated and informed in the field of human interaction and inter-communication.Their social interaction and settings doesn't involve queue or personal space concept. Although, to them, it's not due to any lack of education, it's their way of life. if you joined the waiting crowds in visa extension offices in such countries, you would face the ordeal. it's not a queue you join, you join an irregulated, chaotic stampede. The mighty pushers will be rightful to get to the window. Absolute mess.

lozgti1

Think we are getting there....this was a completely un British display by this woman.

Vegetarian British people would have apologised profusely to the woman for being out of stock on said mayonnaise and just picked something else,even a sausage whilst at the same time apologising to the whole queue for extending their wait by even a minute.

On a cultural front and perhaps completely off topic,can someone please stop certain groups from spitting in the bleeding street.Ack,puts me off going into sandwich shops with gob outside on the floor.Very un British.

Still not sure where the thread is going though

The Zohan

To add, in the Uk the problem is usually with fat, ugly, aggressive chavs or nasty p1keys who think they can do what they like!

New_scooby_04

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+1

I remember one comment from a deputy headteacher from when I was in secondary school:

"Manners make the man, gentlemen; always remember that"



Rude or obstructive people come in all guises, unfortunately.


Would make it easier to exterminate them if they didn't

Did I say the last bit out loud?!??!

Lydia72

Sounds exactly like my brother's (soon-to-be-ex) wife except she's white and atheist.
I used to dread going out for a meal with her because she would have the waiting staff jumping through hoops; ordering a drink, then sending it back for ice, then demanding a straw...has the food been cooked in oil, what kind of oil...
I thought it was some sort of power trip but I've since found out she has an eating disorder (which I believe is a control thing in itself).
I'd be more understanding if I thought it was a religious issue rather than someone just being a pain in the bum.