Anyone else angered by their council change to refuse collection?
19 February 2011, 01:06 AM
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We have 5 bins now. Green, Brown, Black, Yellow and Blue. They are collected on a fairly random basis. Green Brown Yellow and Blue are for recycling, but if you get the wrong stuff in the wrong bin, they won't lift it. If you get it wrong a couple of times, you get a fine. The rule is 'Get it right, or get it left'
I can understand yellow (glass) and black (sort of - stuff that doesn't go in the others) Green is for compost, but no food waste. Brown is for compost, including food waste, but no wet waste, Blue is for cardboard and plastic, but no pizza boxes, thick plastic or tetra packs. Apparently your pizza box is for composting. (That is a pizza box for a pizza that was cooked before you bought it. One that was frozen when you bought it, that came in a cereal type box is for recycling)
OK - The frozen pizza came in a pizza box. Is that a pizza box or a Frosties box?
Obviously a Frosties box, as it was frozen.
After the third threat of a fine, I came up with a new solution. I sold all the bins and burn everything we chuck out at the bottom of the garden. Crap for the environment, but it fits the council directives.
I can understand yellow (glass) and black (sort of - stuff that doesn't go in the others) Green is for compost, but no food waste. Brown is for compost, including food waste, but no wet waste, Blue is for cardboard and plastic, but no pizza boxes, thick plastic or tetra packs. Apparently your pizza box is for composting. (That is a pizza box for a pizza that was cooked before you bought it. One that was frozen when you bought it, that came in a cereal type box is for recycling)
OK - The frozen pizza came in a pizza box. Is that a pizza box or a Frosties box?
Obviously a Frosties box, as it was frozen.
After the third threat of a fine, I came up with a new solution. I sold all the bins and burn everything we chuck out at the bottom of the garden. Crap for the environment, but it fits the council directives.
19 February 2011, 01:26 AM
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My point was, we produce hardly any rubbish, so why can't everyone else. I am livid if we ever have to throw food away. I make sure nothing goes out of date, and we are a clear-your-plate family.
19 February 2011, 08:10 AM
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We could probably get away with a four weekly collection to be honest. There's four of us (two adults, 3yo & 6wo) and if our bin is over a 1/4 full most weeks it's unusual. We have a black general waste (emptied weekly), a green recycling (paper,card,plastics,metals - monthly) and a brown (garden waste - fortnightly). We fill the green bin each month, and don't use the brown (except for storing logs for the chimnea).
The answer is to simply stop producing so much waste. If we can do it, so can you all. We buy fresh meat from the butchers, so there's just the flimsiest of plastic bags there. Fresh veg, so again, just flimsy bags, and most other packaging is recyclable. If it weren't for nappies, we could potentially go nearly two months at a push.
The answer is to simply stop producing so much waste. If we can do it, so can you all. We buy fresh meat from the butchers, so there's just the flimsiest of plastic bags there. Fresh veg, so again, just flimsy bags, and most other packaging is recyclable. If it weren't for nappies, we could potentially go nearly two months at a push.
This is the other thing. The whole problem gets dumped onto the "consumer". It is "us" that has to reduce our waste, it's "us" that has to pay more for less services from the council. How about the government says to businesses selling to the public "OK, you have the minimum of packaging and anything you do use HAS to be recyclable within the UK". Simples, apart from businesses then whining about the cost. Bet they'd knuckle down and do it though.
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19 February 2011, 09:18 AM
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You will get used to fort nighty collections
Everyone in cumbria does
You will get no ware by shouting at your council
I know I'm a councillor myself !
Govt iinitiative to get us green and recycle
( yet emissions are up and petrol for separate vehicles to collect but thats a different debate) :d
Use pack them in tight and recyle everything you can
Many families have 4 kids and cope with it .
Everyone in cumbria does
You will get no ware by shouting at your council
I know I'm a councillor myself !
Govt iinitiative to get us green and recycle
( yet emissions are up and petrol for separate vehicles to collect but thats a different debate) :d
Use pack them in tight and recyle everything you can
Many families have 4 kids and cope with it .
I will be reverting to standing in the black bin too I think and then anything I can't get in there will have to be burnt. I refuse to spend time and money driving to the local tip and queueing for 30 minutes (it's a tiny tip that serves a huge population for its size) just to empty rubbish that I pay the council to take away.
Oh and as for shouting at the council, that's fine i'll cancel my direct debit for council tax if they don't want to listen and then they can take me to court to sort it out. I'm not paying the same amount in council tax for a 50% reduction in service and no help to manage that lack of service by way of an extra bin for recylcing other material or a bigger bin.
19 February 2011, 09:20 AM
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Just before Christmas it snowed here 
, our wonderful council didn't turn up to collect the rubbish (elf and saftey lol).
So they left it for a fortnight. which coincided with Christmas
Due the the layout of our house, we can place any rubbish at the bottom of the drive, as it blocks both our drive and both sets of neighbors.
So we do, what we have done for the last 10 years and leave it to on the far right side with my neighbor to the right of his drive.
came home after work, to find they'd collected the bins(bags) and left 3 bags of rubbish in front of the neighbors house..strange...
About 20 mins later my neighbor pops over to show me a note they pushed through the door saying he was over his 5 bag allowance, and the 3 bags would be down to him to dispose of. (Thats rich eh)
So common sense , 2 bags, 3 bags, 8 bags, (4 bags , 4 bags) -((0 bags))-, 3 bags, 3 bags, didnt kick in.. nor the fact that theyve emptied the bins here for the last 10 years lol.
I phoned the council to complain, and explain ...We,ll call you back with our findings before 5pm the spokesperson said....... they didn't lol...
The next day theyed sent out a single crew to collect 3 bags of rubbish
Mart
, our wonderful council didn't turn up to collect the rubbish (elf and saftey lol).So they left it for a fortnight. which coincided with Christmas
Due the the layout of our house, we can place any rubbish at the bottom of the drive, as it blocks both our drive and both sets of neighbors.
So we do, what we have done for the last 10 years and leave it to on the far right side with my neighbor to the right of his drive.
came home after work, to find they'd collected the bins(bags) and left 3 bags of rubbish in front of the neighbors house..strange...
About 20 mins later my neighbor pops over to show me a note they pushed through the door saying he was over his 5 bag allowance, and the 3 bags would be down to him to dispose of. (Thats rich eh)
So common sense , 2 bags, 3 bags, 8 bags, (4 bags , 4 bags) -((0 bags))-, 3 bags, 3 bags, didnt kick in.. nor the fact that theyve emptied the bins here for the last 10 years lol.
I phoned the council to complain, and explain ...We,ll call you back with our findings before 5pm the spokesperson said....... they didn't lol...
The next day theyed sent out a single crew to collect 3 bags of rubbish
Mart
08 March 2011, 10:13 PM
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As I said ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...-landfill.html ...
"... The Local Government Association point out that the UK throws more household rubbish into landfill than any other country in the European Union and will fail to meet key targets.
This will mean multi-billion pound fines that are ultimately passed onto the tax payer.
At the same time George Osborne, the Chancellor, has announced that landfill tax will increase every year, making it even more expensive for councils to dispose of rubbish in holes in the ground. ..."
You see how it's done? The EU just say "... reduce landfill by x% a year or we fine you ...". The UK government, the equivalent of a European Parish Council these days, then have to figure out how to meet that ultimatum. So they say "let's have a landfill tax. That'll learn 'em ...". And the proles blame the UK government when it's the EU that have made the regulations. And little by little they take over ...
When will our government have the ***** to say "**** orf!" and let us have our country back ...?
Dave
"... The Local Government Association point out that the UK throws more household rubbish into landfill than any other country in the European Union and will fail to meet key targets.
This will mean multi-billion pound fines that are ultimately passed onto the tax payer.
At the same time George Osborne, the Chancellor, has announced that landfill tax will increase every year, making it even more expensive for councils to dispose of rubbish in holes in the ground. ..."
You see how it's done? The EU just say "... reduce landfill by x% a year or we fine you ...". The UK government, the equivalent of a European Parish Council these days, then have to figure out how to meet that ultimatum. So they say "let's have a landfill tax. That'll learn 'em ...". And the proles blame the UK government when it's the EU that have made the regulations. And little by little they take over ...
When will our government have the ***** to say "**** orf!" and let us have our country back ...?
Dave
Read this just now ... http://raedwald.blogspot.com/2011/02...uk-update.html .... an analysis of how much landfill capacity we have in the UK. i.e. feckin loads! As usual we're being taken for a ride by the EU because of issues that European countries have, but we don't, and our politicians are bending over backwards to comply, treasonably IMHO! We don't have trees high enough to string them up from!
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08 March 2011, 10:49 PM
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I'm getting a visit from the council tomorrow morning to go through my bin to confirm i'm recycling what I can and if I am then I get a bigger bin. What's the betting I don't get that bigger bin? 
They are going to go through 2 week old bin liners, i'm not standing next to them whilst they do it the dirty buggers and they aren't pouring it all over the garden/drive either to sort through. What a sh!te job that is.
They are going to go through 2 week old bin liners, i'm not standing next to them whilst they do it the dirty buggers and they aren't pouring it all over the garden/drive either to sort through. What a sh!te job that is.
08 March 2011, 10:51 PM
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we know it is just an excuse to tax us!
if they make the supermarkets repackage in more green packaging then the supermarkets will just use it as a reason to raise the price.
The answer is to find some politicains with some ***** who tell the EU to F*ck o**
if they make the supermarkets repackage in more green packaging then the supermarkets will just use it as a reason to raise the price.
The answer is to find some politicains with some ***** who tell the EU to F*ck o**
08 March 2011, 10:56 PM
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Isn't it just. All because I dared to say I require a bigger bin. One thing that made me laugh last week was the bint over the road on her own who put out more rubbish than us didn't have all hers collected. Not only that but they left it on her garden and her cat decided to claw the bag open and spread the contents all over her garden She wasn't happy when she got home.
Also apparently bribery works a treat with the bin men, if I 'sort them out at Christmas' they'll take what ever rubbish I leave out no matter how much. So one crate of beer on top of the dustbin at Christmas = no more rubbish collection issues.
She wasn't happy when she got home.Also apparently bribery works a treat with the bin men, if I 'sort them out at Christmas' they'll take what ever rubbish I leave out no matter how much. So one crate of beer on top of the dustbin at Christmas = no more rubbish collection issues.
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09 March 2011, 06:32 AM
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Do people really leave things like this out for the bin collection? I am astounded!! Why not take it to the tip? Why should they collect a bed for free?
09 March 2011, 07:14 AM
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Oh, and because we all pay the council loads of money to "do their bloody job", so why don't they just get on with it rather than inventing 1001 reason why they can't!
Still, it is reassuring that despite the dire economic situation and essential cuts being implemented to prevent the country from going bankrupt, councils can still maintain "front line services" such as the bottom inspectors to ensure that ************** is complying with their expensively thought out "rules"
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09 March 2011, 07:28 AM
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Because most people don't have a vehicle that is big enough to take a bed, and if they did then it wouldn't be allowed into the tip?
Oh, and because we all pay the council loads of money to "do their bloody job", so why don't they just get on with it rather than inventing 1001 reason why they can't!
Still, it is reassuring that despite the dire economic situation and essential cuts being implemented to prevent the country from going bankrupt, councils can still maintain "front line services" such as the bottom inspectors to ensure that ************** is complying with their expensively thought out "rules"
mb
Oh, and because we all pay the council loads of money to "do their bloody job", so why don't they just get on with it rather than inventing 1001 reason why they can't!
Still, it is reassuring that despite the dire economic situation and essential cuts being implemented to prevent the country from going bankrupt, councils can still maintain "front line services" such as the bottom inspectors to ensure that ************** is complying with their expensively thought out "rules"
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09 March 2011, 07:32 AM
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Oh, BTW, I don't mind fortnightly collections. We recycle so much, so our black bin is not that full. I have a compost bin for the garden waste and now don't have to buy big bags of compost for my pots, win win I reckon.
I think sometimes people are just lazy, not saying this is the case with you lot, but it doesn't take much to separate things and buy items with less packaging, does it?
I think sometimes people are just lazy, not saying this is the case with you lot, but it doesn't take much to separate things and buy items with less packaging, does it?
09 March 2011, 08:01 AM
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As i said, we pay them bucket loads of money to do their job, so we expect them to get on and do it. Luckily, Birmingham are quite good about this and will collect large items for free (up to 6 item, 3 times a year) including fridges etc.
It makes sense, otherwise people start fly-tipping etc., which ultimately costs more and is worse for the environment,
Oh, and besides, they already send special vehicles around to collect "recyclable" waste, and a different ones to collect garden waste - so it is not some foreign concept!
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09 March 2011, 11:10 AM
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Well they've been and guess what I didn't get a bigger bin! Two women as well, not just one person. At least they had their marigolds with them.
They spent at least 45 minutes sifting through 2 week old bin bags full of dirty nappies, dog crap filled nappy sacks and rotting food to tell me all the things I could have put in the recycling bin such as aluminium baby food tins which they admitted had never been declared as ok to put in the recycling bin
She then pointed out 4 aa batteries I hadn't taken to a supermarket to be recycled and a couple of bits of tin foil that should have gone in the green bin. Oh and apparently i'm also requested to take back unwanted carrier bags to the shops.
She tried to push the slop bucket recycling again to which I refused saying it's a disgusting idea having to keep opening a slop bucket all week to put more food in with already rotting stinking food from the past several days.
She also went on to say how the service was improved and not degraded because they now collect food waste weekly I pointed out that emptying a tiny little bucket once a week did not equate to the previous service of emptying the black bins once a week and that there was no way on Earth she was going to win the argument that the service was improved.
Anyway I had enough of her boll0cks and said so you aren't giving us a bigger bin to which she replied no. So told her it was wasting my time and not interested in anything else she had to say and I was going back to my work and goodbye.
And this is councils cutting costs is it, being able to pay for 2 people to go round sifting through dustbins all day only to tell households they can't have bigger bins and therefore a total waste of everyones time.
Two women as well, not just one person. At least they had their marigolds with them.They spent at least 45 minutes sifting through 2 week old bin bags full of dirty nappies, dog crap filled nappy sacks and rotting food to tell me all the things I could have put in the recycling bin such as aluminium baby food tins which they admitted had never been declared as ok to put in the recycling bin
She then pointed out 4 aa batteries I hadn't taken to a supermarket to be recycled and a couple of bits of tin foil that should have gone in the green bin. Oh and apparently i'm also requested to take back unwanted carrier bags to the shops.
She tried to push the slop bucket recycling again to which I refused saying it's a disgusting idea having to keep opening a slop bucket all week to put more food in with already rotting stinking food from the past several days.
She also went on to say how the service was improved and not degraded because they now collect food waste weekly
I pointed out that emptying a tiny little bucket once a week did not equate to the previous service of emptying the black bins once a week and that there was no way on Earth she was going to win the argument that the service was improved.Anyway I had enough of her boll0cks and said so you aren't giving us a bigger bin to which she replied no. So told her it was wasting my time and not interested in anything else she had to say and I was going back to my work and goodbye.
And this is councils cutting costs is it, being able to pay for 2 people to go round sifting through dustbins all day only to tell households they can't have bigger bins and therefore a total waste of everyones time.
09 March 2011, 11:18 AM
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Well they've been and guess what I didn't get a bigger bin! Two women as well, not just one person. At least they had their marigolds with them.
They spent at least 45 minutes sifting through 2 week old bin bags full of dirty nappies, dog crap filled nappy sacks and rotting food to tell me all the things I could have put in the recycling bin such as aluminium baby food tins which they admitted had never been declared as ok to put in the recycling bin
She then pointed out 4 aa batteries I hadn't taken to a supermarket to be recycled and a couple of bits of tin foil that should have gone in the green bin. Oh and apparently i'm also requested to take back unwanted carrier bags to the shops.
She tried to push the slop bucket recycling again to which I refused saying it's a disgusting idea having to keep opening a slop bucket all week to put more food in with already rotting stinking food from the past several days.
She also went on to say how the service was improved and not degraded because they now collect food waste weekly I pointed out that emptying a tiny little bucket once a week did not equate to the previous service of emptying the black bins once a week and that there was no way on Earth she was going to win the argument that the service was improved.
Anyway I had enough of her boll0cks and said so you aren't giving us a bigger bin to which she replied no. So told her it was wasting my time and not interested in anything else she had to say and I was going back to my work and goodbye.
And this is councils cutting costs is it, being able to pay for 2 people to go round sifting through dustbins all day only to tell households they can't have bigger bins and therefore a total waste of everyones time.
Two women as well, not just one person. At least they had their marigolds with them.They spent at least 45 minutes sifting through 2 week old bin bags full of dirty nappies, dog crap filled nappy sacks and rotting food to tell me all the things I could have put in the recycling bin such as aluminium baby food tins which they admitted had never been declared as ok to put in the recycling bin
She then pointed out 4 aa batteries I hadn't taken to a supermarket to be recycled and a couple of bits of tin foil that should have gone in the green bin. Oh and apparently i'm also requested to take back unwanted carrier bags to the shops.
She tried to push the slop bucket recycling again to which I refused saying it's a disgusting idea having to keep opening a slop bucket all week to put more food in with already rotting stinking food from the past several days.
She also went on to say how the service was improved and not degraded because they now collect food waste weekly
I pointed out that emptying a tiny little bucket once a week did not equate to the previous service of emptying the black bins once a week and that there was no way on Earth she was going to win the argument that the service was improved.Anyway I had enough of her boll0cks and said so you aren't giving us a bigger bin to which she replied no. So told her it was wasting my time and not interested in anything else she had to say and I was going back to my work and goodbye.
And this is councils cutting costs is it, being able to pay for 2 people to go round sifting through dustbins all day only to tell households they can't have bigger bins and therefore a total waste of everyones time.
Actually I'm surpised one of the smaller channels on Sky hasn't picked up on this yet and made a documantary about following two marigold wearing old bints about sifting through ****
09 March 2011, 03:12 PM
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We have 2 bins, 1 green for cardboard/plastics recylcing and a black bin for normal waste. The black bin is emptied weekly and the green one two weekly.
Our black bin wasn't collected yesterday so this morning phoned the council to complain only to find out in their infinite wisdom they've put the black bins to 2 weekly as well without telling anyone.
According to them they did tell everyone just like apparently they have given us all food slop bins which must be invisible as no one here has one.
The bins are full if not overflowing after 1 week let alone 2. WTF do they expect us to do with the bags of rubbish now the bins are only going to be empied every other week? Start eating less? Ask my baby son to do less dirty nappies? Create my own landfill site in my back garden? Have a bonfire once a week? Take up fly tipping?
I have lodged an official complaint to the council and am waiting a call back where there is going to be one hell of an argument I suspect. They wont even give us a bigger bin even though there are 5 of us in the house yet we have the same size bin as the single woman living opposite.
Anyone else in 'conversation' with their delightful council over cut backs in services? As I paid my council tax for the year and the portion of the bill for waste management was based on weekly collections then how about a pro rata refund for the last 2 months of the year where the service is halved? I also expect to see our council tax bill to go down from April now the collections are halved this is only half the service it was before and therefore half the cost.
I fully expect the phone call back to be an utter waste of time and will have to look at how I take it much further. Letter to the council, local mp, stop paying my council tax (that will get immediate attention of course) etc.
Oh and I can't be the only victor meldrew in the village, when I took the dog out at lunch time I saw lots of places with their bins still out waiting for a non existant bin collection who are going to be less than pleased when they find out what i've found out.
Our black bin wasn't collected yesterday so this morning phoned the council to complain only to find out in their infinite wisdom they've put the black bins to 2 weekly as well without telling anyone.
According to them they did tell everyone just like apparently they have given us all food slop bins which must be invisible as no one here has one.
The bins are full if not overflowing after 1 week let alone 2. WTF do they expect us to do with the bags of rubbish now the bins are only going to be empied every other week? Start eating less? Ask my baby son to do less dirty nappies? Create my own landfill site in my back garden? Have a bonfire once a week? Take up fly tipping?
I have lodged an official complaint to the council and am waiting a call back where there is going to be one hell of an argument I suspect. They wont even give us a bigger bin even though there are 5 of us in the house yet we have the same size bin as the single woman living opposite.
Anyone else in 'conversation' with their delightful council over cut backs in services? As I paid my council tax for the year and the portion of the bill for waste management was based on weekly collections then how about a pro rata refund for the last 2 months of the year where the service is halved? I also expect to see our council tax bill to go down from April now the collections are halved this is only half the service it was before and therefore half the cost.
I fully expect the phone call back to be an utter waste of time and will have to look at how I take it much further. Letter to the council, local mp, stop paying my council tax (that will get immediate attention of course) etc.
Oh and I can't be the only victor meldrew in the village, when I took the dog out at lunch time I saw lots of places with their bins still out waiting for a non existant bin collection who are going to be less than pleased when they find out what i've found out.
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09 March 2011, 05:19 PM
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I actually think that you may be setting your expectations too high! I really don't expect the council to come round on a Thursday and take away everything I put out if that includes beds, wardrobes, old sheds etc. Are they supposed to go back to the depot and fetch a larger vehicle as and when YOU demand? Surely that's a waste of money?
09 March 2011, 05:48 PM
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On the pensions question, remember that council employees pay alrge contributions, which they have no choice but to pay, and that the reason councils "can't afford" the pensions is that the government "borrowed" the pension "pot" years ago
And let's NEVER forget one Gordon Brown who raided the funds to the tune of £5 BILLION too...........
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I actually think that you may be setting your expectations too high! I really don't expect the council to come round on a Thursday and take away everything I put out if that includes beds, wardrobes, old sheds etc. Are they supposed to go back to the depot and fetch a larger vehicle as and when YOU demand? Surely that's a waste of money?
My understanding around here is that if you had something large to get rid of then you contact the council and they arrange a date and time to collect. This is obviously beneficial if you live in one of their highly furnished properties and do not have a car - example being my (then) single mum when I was a toddler. Was something like 3 times a year you could use the privelage for free?
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My understanding around here is that if you had something large to get rid of then you contact the council and they arrange a date and time to collect. This is obviously beneficial if you live in one of their highly furnished properties and do not have a car - example being my (then) single mum when I was a toddler. Was something like 3 times a year you could use the privelage for free?
09 March 2011, 07:31 PM
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most councils operate a large item waste collection service all of which will have to be booked in advance (long wait where i live so people have the unsightly items sitting on the front garden for weeks waiting for collection) and most councils now charge.
Probably find a local tarmac specialist would dispose of it for cash quicker and cheaper than the council just remove all identifying marks first to stop identity theft.
The councils just dont understand that the council tax payers are the clients who pay for these services. personally they can collect my recycling once a month as i never fill the thing in 2 weeks and collect my rubbish weekly as it stinks in the warm weather therefore same number of collections but like hell will they provide me with the service i want!
P.S. the salaries they pay are below private sector equivalent jobs
Probably find a local tarmac specialist would dispose of it for cash quicker and cheaper than the council just remove all identifying marks first to stop identity theft.
The councils just dont understand that the council tax payers are the clients who pay for these services. personally they can collect my recycling once a month as i never fill the thing in 2 weeks and collect my rubbish weekly as it stinks in the warm weather therefore same number of collections but like hell will they provide me with the service i want!
P.S. the salaries they pay are below private sector equivalent jobs
09 March 2011, 07:56 PM
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I would ask the council to confirm the outcome of today's meeting, including relevant statement's about carrier bags, batteries etc e.g. they have refused you a large bin because council policy says you must take carrier bags back to supermarket and not expect council to dispose of rubbish like this.
Then ask them to document the procedure for appeal including
then put in a FOI request for all emails relating to you, numbers of requests for larger bins broken down by year , ward etc and how many were inspected who many were rejected or approved and the break down of the numbers by inspector to see if the rules are applied fairly or if there is any form of discrimination then write to your councilor/paper with your findings
hopefully they will realise you need is justified or they dont follow the correct procedures which you can then lodge a separate and more important compliant about
Then ask them to document the procedure for appeal including
then put in a FOI request for all emails relating to you, numbers of requests for larger bins broken down by year , ward etc and how many were inspected who many were rejected or approved and the break down of the numbers by inspector to see if the rules are applied fairly or if there is any form of discrimination then write to your councilor/paper with your findings
hopefully they will realise you need is justified or they dont follow the correct procedures which you can then lodge a separate and more important compliant about
09 March 2011, 10:36 PM
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