Deja Vu (Libya)
19 March 2011, 09:32 AM
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Seriously F1, reading your posts anyone would believe your understanding of the country's military budget is that if we're not actually in an all-out shooting war with somebody, the whole apparatus costs us diddly-squat. That can't possibly be true, and while Iraq and Afghanistan might well be costing / have cost a hell of a lot more than routine training ops back home or wherever they're normally run, Gadaffi has a grand total of 30 fighters in its entire air-force. Try to get some perspective on this, before you turn into a gurning parody of yourself.
19 March 2011, 10:36 AM
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19 March 2011, 11:19 AM
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Would an attack jet be able to take out a tank without killing too many people around it? Would a helicopter gunship be better for this purpose?
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19 March 2011, 11:41 AM
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19 March 2011, 11:45 AM
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I made my position very clear, Les, although it was just under a week ago.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=77
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19 March 2011, 12:25 PM
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Conflicts in the following list are currently causing at least 1000 violent deaths per year, a categorization used by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program[1] and recognised by the United Nations.[2][3] The UN also use the term "low intensity conflict", which can overlap with the 1000 violent deaths per year categorization.[4]
Start of Conflict War/Conflict Location Cumulative fatalities
1967 Naxalite-Maoist insurgency India 10,500+ (1,174+ in 2010)[5]
1978 Afghan civil war Afghanistan 600,000-2,000,000 (10,461+ in 2010[6])
1991 Somali Civil War Somalia 300,000[7] –400,000[8] (3,000+ in 2010)
2003 Iraq War Iraq 99,328-108,514 [9] (4,000+ in 2010)
2004 War in North-West Pakistan Pakistan 30,452[10] (5,000+ in 2010)
2004 Shi’ite Insurgency in Yemen Yemen 12,833-16,439[11][12][13]
2006 Mexican Drug War Mexico More than 31,834[14] (12,456+ in 2010)
2009 Sudanese nomadic conflicts Sudan 2,000-2,500[15]
2011 Libyan uprising / Libya 3,000-10,000+[16][17]
[edit]Other conflicts
There are many other smaller-scale armed conflicts that are currently causing a smaller number of violent fatalities each year.
Start of Conflict War/Conflict Location Cumulative fatalities
1948[18][19] Korean Conflict North Korea and South Korea 2,000,000
1948 Internal conflict in Burma Burma ~ 100,000
1947 Arab–Israeli conflict Israel and Various Arab states (changed over time). 120,000+[20]
1959 Basque Conflict Spain, France ~ 1,200[21]
1964 Colombian Armed Conflict Colombia 50,000 – 200,000 [22]
1964 Insurgency in Northeast India India ~ 25,000 [23]
1969 Papua conflict Indonesia 75,000 - 100,000
1969[24] Insurgency in the Philippines[25] Philippines ~120,000 [26]
1975 Insurgency in Laos Laos Unknown
1978 Turkey–Kurdistan Workers' Party conflict Turkey, Iraq 45,000-[27] 100,000[28][29][30]
1987 Lord's Resistance Army insurgency Uganda, Sudan, DR Congo and Central African Republic ~12,000
1989 Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir India ~68,000 [31]
1990 Casamance Conflict Senegal ~1,000
1995 Insurgency in Ogaden Ethiopia 3,500
2002 Insurgency in the Maghreb Algeria, Mali, Mauritania and Morocco 6000+
2004 Conflict in the Niger Delta Nigeria 4,000-5,000[32]
2004 Balochistan conflict Iran and Pakistan 2,500+
2004 Iran–Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan conflict Iran 150-300
2004 South Thailand insurgency Thailand ~3,500
2005 Fourth Civil War of Chad Chad 1,140+
2008 Cambodian–Thai border stand-off Cambodia and Thailand 19-212
2009 Insurgency in the North Caucasus Russia 1,110+
2009 South Yemen insurgency Yemen 180+
2010 Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown Yemen 310+
2010 Côte d'Ivoire crisis Côte d'Ivoire 410+
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Well if were going to get involved in every one else's conflicts were going to have to set out a bigger budget.
Start of Conflict War/Conflict Location Cumulative fatalities
1967 Naxalite-Maoist insurgency India 10,500+ (1,174+ in 2010)[5]
1978 Afghan civil war Afghanistan 600,000-2,000,000 (10,461+ in 2010[6])
1991 Somali Civil War Somalia 300,000[7] –400,000[8] (3,000+ in 2010)
2003 Iraq War Iraq 99,328-108,514 [9] (4,000+ in 2010)
2004 War in North-West Pakistan Pakistan 30,452[10] (5,000+ in 2010)
2004 Shi’ite Insurgency in Yemen Yemen 12,833-16,439[11][12][13]
2006 Mexican Drug War Mexico More than 31,834[14] (12,456+ in 2010)
2009 Sudanese nomadic conflicts Sudan 2,000-2,500[15]
2011 Libyan uprising / Libya 3,000-10,000+[16][17]
[edit]Other conflicts
There are many other smaller-scale armed conflicts that are currently causing a smaller number of violent fatalities each year.
Start of Conflict War/Conflict Location Cumulative fatalities
1948[18][19] Korean Conflict North Korea and South Korea 2,000,000
1948 Internal conflict in Burma Burma ~ 100,000
1947 Arab–Israeli conflict Israel and Various Arab states (changed over time). 120,000+[20]
1959 Basque Conflict Spain, France ~ 1,200[21]
1964 Colombian Armed Conflict Colombia 50,000 – 200,000 [22]
1964 Insurgency in Northeast India India ~ 25,000 [23]
1969 Papua conflict Indonesia 75,000 - 100,000
1969[24] Insurgency in the Philippines[25] Philippines ~120,000 [26]
1975 Insurgency in Laos Laos Unknown
1978 Turkey–Kurdistan Workers' Party conflict Turkey, Iraq 45,000-[27] 100,000[28][29][30]
1987 Lord's Resistance Army insurgency Uganda, Sudan, DR Congo and Central African Republic ~12,000
1989 Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir India ~68,000 [31]
1990 Casamance Conflict Senegal ~1,000
1995 Insurgency in Ogaden Ethiopia 3,500
2002 Insurgency in the Maghreb Algeria, Mali, Mauritania and Morocco 6000+
2004 Conflict in the Niger Delta Nigeria 4,000-5,000[32]
2004 Balochistan conflict Iran and Pakistan 2,500+
2004 Iran–Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan conflict Iran 150-300
2004 South Thailand insurgency Thailand ~3,500
2005 Fourth Civil War of Chad Chad 1,140+
2008 Cambodian–Thai border stand-off Cambodia and Thailand 19-212
2009 Insurgency in the North Caucasus Russia 1,110+
2009 South Yemen insurgency Yemen 180+
2010 Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown Yemen 310+
2010 Côte d'Ivoire crisis Côte d'Ivoire 410+
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Well if were going to get involved in every one else's conflicts were going to have to set out a bigger budget.
19 March 2011, 01:24 PM
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Let the b*ggers sort it out themselves and let's stop being the worlds policemen. We have enough of our own problems to sort out!
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19 March 2011, 07:01 PM
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you can just imagine the french pilots flying, whilst smoking a cigerette, with platter of various cheeses balanced on the knee
anyway all very worrying -- but great TV
anyway all very worrying -- but great TV
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Seriously F1, reading your posts anyone would believe your understanding of the country's military budget is that if we're not actually in an all-out shooting war with somebody, the whole apparatus costs us diddly-squat. That can't possibly be true, and while Iraq and Afghanistan might well be costing / have cost a hell of a lot more than routine training ops back home or wherever they're normally run, Gadaffi has a grand total of 30 fighters in its entire air-force. Try to get some perspective on this, before you turn into a gurning parody of yourself.
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I suspect that they are hoping a little that the 'shock and awe' will stress the Gadaffi regime and make it fall, as it is well known that Desert Fox (the 1998 bombing of Saddam) almost tipped Saddam over.
Anyway it's interesting that the US is now bombing Gadaffi in the context of Lockabie. The reach of US justice if long it would seem...they don't forget.
Anyway it's interesting that the US is now bombing Gadaffi in the context of Lockabie. The reach of US justice if long it would seem...they don't forget.