SHUGSTERC

i tried to arrange a bit direct action recently by a slow drive along the local bypass...pm me to let me know whos comin and done the same on facebook as everyone was complainin about the price of fuel...o pms....no point mumpin if not wanna stand up and be counted

SHUGSTERC

and while i mind my missus says shed drive our jeep and ill go alongside in the scoob...but with only 2 wed prob get arrested..it would draw attention with travel reports on the radio and get in the media folk were fed up up standin up....with 20 or 30 they cant arrest us all and even the coppers would know where were comin from..it just needs numbers...cmon grow a pair

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

You accuse me of making incorrect statements, yet you spout total and utter BS like that? The current tax take on fuel now is 60% not 60p, and at the time of the fuel protests in late 2000 it was close to 76p, which equated to 72% at the time.

SHUGSTERC

cmon markjmd......thats wot i like to hear mate a bit f,,,,,kin spriit about here

SHUGSTERC

i heard the fuel suppliers said subaru owners were wimps and would never protest...can this be true?.....or are we gonna look 4 excuses to this?...must only be truckers that can make a point....

pslewis

I answered you by saying that the fuel has gone up 15p since last June and the world still keeps turning ...... businesses are still in business.

There is a massive capacity for us to take a 15p hike in fuel tax.

pslewis

No-one is going to do nowt mate ........... if people really cared about fuel costs they wouldn't drive cars returning 20mpg!!

The amount of fuel tax paid by anyone is purely optional .... if you want to pay less, buy a Diesel - it really is that painfully simple.

SHUGSTERC

so do you think the suppliers dont pass it on?...if its more for fuel then food prices go up as costs more to get it to the shops...dog meat fanny pads chops.weetabix...dont just effect heavy right footers bud..all our grannies pensions are worth less...yyeeee raise pensions for the war heroes...hooorrraaayyy...oooppps takin it back as your messages are goin up as the trucks need more fuel and the truck industry owner not payin for it..even cyclists who campaign against makin fuel dearer have to pay more as the tyres they run on cost more to deliver

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

Well we will agree to disagree on that point then as I personally DO NOT believe that many small businesses can sustain a 15p hike just like that. You said yourself in your post the other 15p has gradually come in giving businesses chance to adjust. 15p just like that overnight is a much different scenario to adjust to

That is why I disagree with your suggestion - strongly.

pslewis

OK then - let's ease it in ..... 1p a week for 15 weeks.

That should sort it.

Only for 5 years you understand.

Ginola

iTrader: (25)

fuel tax paid by anyone is purely optional ? clearly you are going senile Pete.
Anyone driving a motor vehicle on a public highway pays fuel tax COMPULSARY not bloody optional

Living in a rural area / small villages or your a farmer /hauler etc fuel tax costs are massive no matter what. burning fuel until a cost effective alternative is introduced is part of daily life weather u want it to be or not, hikes in fuel duty over the last few years has made a massive impact on many people in the UK and EU no matter how economical a shed they drive it still hurts., fuel price/tax hikes drive the cost of nearly all commodities sold for currency as our financial state and wealth is strongly linked to the cost of the black stuff.

stop trying to be smart we all know you bought a boring **** Honda Pete you argument is stupid and ill thought.

RobsyUK

iTrader: (2)

Some will moan and although I dont do drugs I think they should legalise every drug going.
They could clean it up so people are not sniffing bricks, they could tax the **** off it and you wouldn't be able to cash in a car sterio for a fix. It would get rid of loads of dealers etc and you could even get your club card points.
Old bill can spend more time nicking people for tints


Also Kids won't do them as it wouldn't be fun being legal.

tony de wonderful

It doesn't make it a just tax though.

pslewis

Please read what I actually write rather than what your mind says I said ...... I said that the AMOUNT of Fuel Tax you pay is optional - and it is!!!!

YOU decide how many Litres you need to buy per year, and, therefore, how much fuel tax you pay!!

Would you like your fuel bill to be less than 60p a litre? If you shout, YES!! then you need to buy a Diesel .... !!!

Leslie

The best way to sort the economy is to never have another labour government.

Les

Ginola

iTrader: (25)

+1

pslewis

When were the best years??

Under Labour!!

When are times rough?

Under the Tories!!

When do the rich prosper at the expense of the poor?

Under the Tories!!

When do hospitals close and schools become selective?

Under the Tories!!

I could go on, but we are talking fuel duty here ..... and I believe it should be hiked up for 5 years!!

Leslie

They might have appeared to be good years Pete, but as I said to you at the time, NL was borrowing more and more money as well as selling off our assets and using the cash to make the economy look good in order to buy the votes.

Now that the country is effectively bankrupt because of those NL actions we are having to pay for it as will our grandchildren!

Les

ian7675

Seems every Government puts this country into recession no matter what party. Then the public vote in another party to make it better and after a while they too make things worse.

The Tories will help the country but at the same time make the public miserable because of aggressive cuts but it will pick up. Then they will plunder the country back into trouble (again) and Labour will take over and the cycle will go on and on and on.

At the end of the day a Government is a Government, they're all the same and make costly mistakes. Pledges and promises are good for votes but they can always backtrack on them, and they do.

New Labour was fantastic and had the country behind them and look what happened, I'm sure it will be the same with the current lot.

Leslie

Why did we go down the tubes with "fantastic New Labour" in charge then?

Les

JTaylor

It has nothing to do with the party, it has everything to do with one of the flaws of capitalism - it's inherently boom and bust. If you don't like it, try communism.

Pete bought a diesel because he saw the price of fuel going up. Good move. If you can't afford to run a car in this climate that has low miles per gallon, get something else.

A question for Pete - did you buy your Honda during Labour's term?

A question for SHUGSTERC - what car do you drive?

tony de wonderful

Capitalism doesn't force a government to run a deficit and get in huge debt.

JTaylor

It depends how far back you want to reduce the argument, but I take your point. Third way economics is capitalism, but with a social conscience.
It still went pop.

pslewis

I ordered the car in May 2010 ... not sure if that was under Labour or the Tories - I cannot see how it would have made any difference?

Leslie

Isn't it actually down to those in charge at the time who made the decisions how they handled the economy?

Les

JTaylor

Which is exactly my point. It's illogical to pin the cost of fuel squarely on the shoulders of one party or another. Not that you have; you saw the writing on the wall, accepted the conditions and changed your vehicle. An attempt to make this party politcal is, as you clearly suggest, erroneous.

JTaylor

Sure, they can control the dials on the mechanism but they can't change the machine. New Labour and Clinton's democrats modified it slightly - third way economics - but global market forces where ultimately in charge.

Labour turned the full employment dial up to ten, but to do this they had to turn the cost control dial down to three. The Tory's will turn the full-employment dial down slightly and the cost control dial up because the debt monitor is flashing bright red. A government can modify the mechanisms and play with its dials but, the truth is, if the machine is branded 'global capatilism', there will always be cyclic fluctuations in GDP. Clearly Brown's 'no more boom and bust' was nothing more than a poor taste gag or wish-thinking.

To put this in to stark relief, take a look at the growth charts for China, slow and steady for the last 30 years. That's the effect of state capitalism. Then have a look at the growth charts for the West. Up and down like a *****'s draws. That's global, laissez-faire capitalism. The two are symbiotic, a consumer-producer relationship.

So back to my original point, Labour and the Tories are just one of the operators of the machine. The machine has many operators.

Leslie

Without going into theorising about the effects of capitalism or socialism etc for that matter, what I said was that NL, which was in charge at the time spent the country's money as though there was no tomorrow on items which were not conducive to improving or even maintaining the economy and just kept on borrowing more when they needed more cash with no thought about the interest payments they were generating such that we now have to borrow money to pay off the interest on the money that we are borrowing! They even flogged off half of our gold reserves for peanuts! They completely abrogated their responsibility to regulate the cheating bankers who took the opportunity to make vast personal sums by their shameful forays into toxic debts.

Now you can start to make all the excuses for NL and tell us that none of it was their fault anyway...including the recession.

Les

JTaylor

I understand the charges above and I sympathise with many of them. I'm simply pointing out that whatever flavour of market-led liberal democracy one subscribes to, red or blue, it's dishonest to deny the global nature of The Great Recession.

No thank you, but this does highlight the point I'm making. The recession came about for the reasons outlined in my previous post, not simply because of Labour. They could have twiddled the dials in a different way, but then they wouldn't have been Labour, they would have been the Tories. Now the Tories will come in and tweak the mechanism and partisan Labour supporters will condemn increasing unemployment and cuts in public spending and then Labour will return and create jobs and spend, spend, spend and so on so forth ad infinitum....the reality is, across the decades, the status quo will be maintained. The only real influence that can be wielded, the only real change that can be affected, is on the world stage.

Leslie

They could have started easily enough by actually regulating the bankers as they were supposed to do instead of just pretending to!

Les