zip106

Mattee - have you heard a D3 engine?
Sounds considerably better than a 'normal' 4 pot derv.

As it is, ANY diesel engine sounds **** and shouldn't be in a car, no matter be it a 4, 6, 8 or whatever bloody pot.
They're the preserve of utility trucks and tractors and are the work of the Devil

Matteeboy

Zip - no I haven't. If it sounds okay then all good.

Sorry but these don't sound too shabby at all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfBY8...E87A0658E58166

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD1gV...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlqwMldhsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm2pc...eature=related

And this is particularly nice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2e9Rbwj3Nk

ScoobyJawa

My 330d sounds like a tractor and rattly, but when I hoof my foot to the floor and give it some beens the 6 pot does sound fairly tasty, not quite like my old 3.0i Z4 but not that far away either.

LMFAO @ the M3 getting an *** whooping on the 1/4. Derv's are faster! (and shows how subjective it is to who is driving)

zip106

Nope, all of them sound like a Routemaster.

No amount of stainless exhaust or CF intake will ever mask the unmistakeable sound of derv clatter.
Ever.

Unfortunately, derv's are now a necessity for anyone doing more than 15k miles per year.
If you can't get more than 30 mpg out of one then there's absolutely no point having one - may as well have a proper petrol engine.

Matteeboy

Just done a proper calculation on the Landy (after using full tank) - 27mpg. I'd better sell it then

Some say Porkers Turbos are a bit dull sound wise In fact someone I know has just chopped his 997 Turbo for a Mazzer Granturismo after he found the Porker a bit dull. I'd love one but not everyone worships them.

And sadly you speak a wee bit of BS about proper rapid diesels. The easily accessible torque makes them very easy to drive fast which suits many people. And after all, your power peaks at only slightly higher revs than a 335d. Over 5.5k rpm and you really need to change gear. 335d redlines just over 5k rpm with peak power hitting at 4400.

I didn't buy mine for the mpg - I bought it because it has major advantages over almost all of it's "competition" as a rapid form of practical transport.

Anyway enough from me, here's what a professional had to say:

You'll have figured by now that this car was well liked and has left a lasting impression. We're used to engines being the focal point of BMWs, but for the diesel to replicate this expectation is truly remarkable. Even more amazing is that this diesel actually performs as well as the petrol models and, for now at least, is probably the quickest 3 Series you can buy. What this means is that this car is not only a class leader and benchmark, it is also something of a watershed in that it is not only a highly capable diesel performance car, but also it is the first diesel I can think of that is a highly capable performance car in its own right. By that I mean at the top of the class as a sporting offering, never mind as a sports wagon under which guise it goes some way beyond humbling the competition and the word humiliation begins to come into play. Easily capable of withstanding comparison with its petrol equivalents, this is a diesel that sells on sporting prowess rather than economy. It's a brilliant car, admittedly at a price, that completely redefines the definition of diesel motoring and may well open the door to a raft of pure performance diesels in the near future. As it is, the 335d Touring may just be all the car you'd ever need.

Ner ner.

zip106

Isn't the bus engined one actually remapped?
As opposed to the one with the correct fuel being standard tune?

Nowt like comparing apples with Tampax, eh?

Still, I guess you smelly sooty boyz have to have something to make you all feel good about your dervs.

SRSport

What 'proper' petrol engine gives you 30mpg then?

zip106

You're quite correct - they do sound awfully dull and quiet.

Some of us just don't like to draw attention to ourselves

27mpg?
That's a bad as my pick-up city driving.

zip106

Well, I can get 33 mpg out of a twin turbo 3.6 F6.

How's that for starters?

Matteeboy

Yes but your pick up is a pretend off roader isn't it? Is it all covered in chrome and called a "Dominator" or "Warrior" or something equally daft and homo-erotic?

I find it easier to accept the good points of both fuel types and not resort to slightly desperate remarks to try and prove your point.

Some diesels are now pretty good, many petrols are good. However many petrols and diesels are utter ****e. The worst cars I have ever driven (there are a fair few) have been propelled by hideous petrols engines.

End of.

SRSport

What you can get and what you usually get are quite a bit different. Relative to performance the diesels will out perform their petrol rivals every time, power for power when kept at a level MPG consumption. At 33mpg Im sure you must be driving at 50mph in 6th gear or whatever its top ratio is, compare that to a twin turbo diesel and it'll lose in MPG and performance every time.

ScoobyJawa

So do exactly the same to the M3 then, and see which still ***** off into the distance

zip106

I usually get 29.9 mpg.

However, on a recent run from Notts to Oulton Park I was getting 33mpg at about 80 mph.
And with 620Nm I doubt mine will lose in performance to any derv.


Mattee - don't take it seriously.

Next year when you get a petrol car you'll be for ever stating the virtues of that, and how it's the best engine EVER.... like a bleedin'. Stuck. Record.

And for the record no, not much chrome on mine and it's an Animal.
A pretend off-roader - with proper A/T tyres and a diff-lock, hmmmm.....

Homo-erotic?
What, like the "Landrover"... http://www.ntmklrc.net/

ScoobyJawa

Tell you what I have noticed though - these muppets (sorry Mattee) with twin single pipes - whether its i or d seem to have an awful lot to prove. I've forgotten the amount of times I've been on the M40 with cruise clicked on at 80 and either a 335i or 335d has hoofed it up my chuff because I have a single twin rather than the common oval they then proceed to fly passed once I've pulled in as fast as poss only for me to overtake them (still on cruise) later lol! Except for the 335d Touring today who couldn't even afford to spec Xenon's lol (not that I could see them he came up so quick and close) and then hooned off at easily 3 figure speeds tutut.

Wasn't you was it Mattee?

zip106

Hey, no skin of mine - I don't give a **** either way 'cos I'll never own either

But surely the M3, (Mapped and 'slightly lighter') will have the standard heavy oil engined car easily?

SRSport

What are you talking about? Do you wind the windows down and ask them "is it cos I is single twin"? I can just imagine all the 335 drivers prowling around looking for the poor inferior twin and single pipers just so that they can prove their car is better. Thats made my evening anyway.

zip106

I suspect some of them actually do!

Just like in the days of old, all those VW Golfs with the little red '16v' badge would bait those Golfs without.

ScoobyJawa

Same either way, nor do I give a to$$ about diesel v petrol hence why I have a 205 GTi which is better than the BM in so many ways, yet lacks in others.

Simple thing is, when it comes to mapping Turbo's v NA (and this has **** all to do with derv v petrol), the NA simply can't compete with bang for buck when tuning. So no, I don't think the M3 would win. And also lets be honest, when comparing the same car, when has it ever been so close between petrol and diesel. Like em or not, here to stay and getting more impressive by the year! Would I go back to a petrol - of course, would I consider a new diesel, of course.

Fortunately I see the merits in all cars. Oh, except Vauxhall, they're ****.

ScoobyJawa

Wow, if that made your evening god knows what happens when you aren't on here lmfao. You must be great fun lol.

Thats pretty much it Zip. I've done enough miles to see it in lots of cars I've owned! Same with any make/model, owners of supposedly "better" versions of the make/model go out to prove it to others. STi owners to WRX per chance? GTR to GTS? Oh no, that never happens.

Trout

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Spud - long time no see in these parts!

I am a little surprised that you find the M3 that quick, I have both driven (on track) and driven against (track and road) an E92 M3 and was really surprised that it did not seem that quick.

Fantastic to drive - absolutely - an oversteer hoot. But no quicker really than a Spec C or basic 911.

Even in my slower, old GT3, I was short-shifting to avoid driving into the back of an M3 that was pedalling as fast at it could.

PS I also think the 535d is a wolf in sheeps clothing - you get to a certain point when pushing on and it goes from sleepy exec into sports saloon. And point to point very quick.

Matteeboy

I find myself checking 3 series exhaust pipes out. Not so I can race them but because the 335i and d are quite rare down here!

Zip - no pick up is much good off road except the Defender version. Too light at the back end. Trust me, I've driven many modded Hi luxes off road back to back with Defenders. And calling a truck an Animal...tsk tsk...

SRSport

So you dont go all crazy and think "ha ha inferior minion, move over because you have a single twin exhaust set up" and boot it just because they dare to be in front of you.

P1Fanatic

I watched a clip of e46 vs e92 M3 rolling start and nothing in it
until over 100mph. Info like the looks of the e92 but 55k new is a lot of money to be only slightly faster than a 40k 335i at least on a straight line.

I thought this thread might get going

zip106

Morning Mattee.
Tbh, I bought mine for work not off roading, but I went off road in my old one just by accident and then got the bug for it.

It's not the lightness at the back that's the problem but the overhang - a few mates have bobtailed theirs and they're now pretty unbeatable by anything other than a Bowler.

Anyway, diesel is $hite.


What was the original OP?

Matteeboy

Zip - fair enough. I expected you to say they're unbeatable off road...

Back to the OP - something to consider; a 335d can be mapped to 350bhp/510lbs-ft but that's about all you can do. If you like tuning, get a 335i - loads more can be done to them and some are running not far off 500bhp and are obviously extremely quick.

P1Fanatic

Thanks for all the feedback. I think with the tuning potential and better exhaust note Im leaning towards the 335i. Was suprised to read that peak torque is lower in the petrol. Also I do minimal miles per yer 7-8k so the advantage of better mpg in the diesel is not so great when balanced with the higher purchase price. Need to get out and test drive one really. It worries me but I kinda like the dakota red leather

Seems you can only get the paddle auto on the 335i with the DCT 7 speed option (£1600 option from new).

Matteeboy - whats the servicing intervals and price like for the 335D?

Cheers
Simon

stilover

BMW are thinking of introducing there `X` brand (AWD) to the 3 series, after winter tyres for BMW's have sored due to 2 sh!te winters.

If they doa 335DX, I would probably consider buying one come replacement. Already considering an Audi A5 3.0TDI Quattro.

Matteeboy

Simon - it's actually quite hard to tell because they stagger the services for when you need them - you'll have an oil service then a filter service at a different time, etc.

I had four done in one go because I can't be faffed to keep going back every time another one needs doing - oil, filter, inspection and ermmm another one (!) plus an MOT - all passed and just over £400. That was main dealer. I now use a very good Indy for a lot less money.

Out of warranty, I'd suggest doing the same.

Official oil change intervals are "condition based" but very roughly 20k miles. I'm doing mine every 10k (or less). IMO 20k is too much for an oil change in a car with such high compression rates!

That red leather (coral red) is pretty cool TBH.

I reckon the 335i will suit you too. Getting a 335d just for the little bit extra mpg isn't really worth it. RFL is a fair bit less too but again, not a major factor.

If you want to work your car a bit and might want to tune it, the 335i is the one to go for.

If you have a family and need a great all rounder that's very low maintenance and easy to drive rapidly and don't really want to tune it then the 335d is the better option.

You can have a proper manual on a 335i but they are very rare indeed!

Jimpreza

Good Choice . Seems you are in the exact same position I was in last year. I also went for the 335i due to me doing the same sort of miles as you. Mine has 9k miles on the clock and says the 1st service is due in 8k miles. I got the 5 years free servicng pack with mine. I also have the red leather and I love it. I don't think any dct 335i's will be in your budget yet though and I really do reccomend trying it.

Terminator X

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I remember "racing" an 8v car when I had my 16v ... virtually nothing in it

TX.