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Old 14 April 2011, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
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Put I heard that already some MP's are describing DC words as "Deplorable".

Some MP's are more concerned with the voice of the minority, rather than that of the majority. Although in another 20 years when the White man is the minority, they might start listening to us. But by then it'll be too late.

Just wait for all the Muslim groups to start shouting "Racist".
Despite what the BNP and the likes might print in their propaganda, i think you will find that the WHITE man as you put it is the biggest burden on the welfare state and has been for years.
The LAZY sit on his A$$ im too good to drive a bus empty dustbins or sweep the streets despite the fact that i don't have an exam pass or trade to my name White man IS the reason all this immigration started in the first place YOU PR@T!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Seeing you took the time and trouble to dig out the statistics, I assumed you'd have the relevent page in your browser history. Seeing you can't provide the link, I'm tempted to call BS on the figures you quote
Ali, do what you like, I couldn't care less to be frank. Your assertion that a majority of people on benefits is clearly daft when you apply logic to it so how about you provide a link to that eh? Good luck with that one!
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I can't do what I like; you won't give me the link to your source of information to allow me to assess how wrong I am. Afterall, I wasn't the one quoting the statistics was I?
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Old 14 April 2011, 03:29 PM
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Forget the immigration part of the speech for a moment and let's focus in the benefits system.

If the benefits system was drastically cut so it provided a bare minimum for people to get by and if anyone found defrauding the system was never allowed to claim a benefit again I think we would see a work ethic return to the 'sub species' of scroounging layabout that exists in this country.

Also I see no reason why long term unemployed shouldn't have to do properly monitored community work for their benefit. The country is supposed to be in all sorts of financial trouble so let's get serious about it.

Any party doing the above would have an extremely rough ride from the do gooders etc. but ultimately would be celebrated by the working and voting majority for many years to come. Sure some people will suffer, but hey, life's a bummer isn't it?
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
I can't do what I like; you won't give me the link to your source of information to allow me to assess how wrong I am. Afterall, I wasn't the one quoting the statistics was I?
No but you were talking crap!
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Anyway, if 42% is in work, that means 58% is out of work.

13% are supposedly on benefits. Assume that's for the ones out of work.

That leaves 45% of the population pulling money out of thin air.
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Anyway, if 42% is in work, that means 58% is out of work.

13% are supposedly on benefits. Assume that's for the ones out of work.

That leaves 45% of the population pulling money out of thin air.
Jeez you are having a bad day.

The total population includes kids under 16 i.e. too young to work and retirees .... I'll let you work that out now .... although on your current showing.... LOL!
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Thats why I want the link, I presumed it meant population of working age. Why would a statistic include the unemployable population - unless it was postering/padding.

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Old 14 April 2011, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
If the benefits system was drastically cut so it provided a bare minimum for people to get by
Maybe they should bring back luncheon vouchers, therefore claimants could only buy food and not blow it on ****, booze or anything else they don't need. Then when they get fed up of having no money for **** or booze they could perhaps get a feckin job.

Do I have to think of everything???
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Old 14 April 2011, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Thats why I want the link, I presumed it meant population of working age. Why would a statistic include the unemployable population - unless it was postering/padding.
I give up. The quote was clear enough. If you want to argue the figures or whatever else go right ahead, knock yourself out.
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Maybe they should bring back luncheon vouchers, therefore claimants could only buy food and not blow it on ****, booze or anything else they don't need. Then when they get fed up of having no money for **** or booze they could perhaps get a feckin job.

Do I have to think of everything???
Get a job? Genius, Wurzel for PM
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Old 14 April 2011, 04:10 PM
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I dont understand this country atall tbh

Most of the points mentioned in this thread would work, and it seems like it would be pretty easy to pull them off yet nothing happens about it ?

Why is it just all words and no action ? It honestly baffles me
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Get a job? Genius, Wurzel for PM
Don't want to be PM, you have to wear a suit
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Old 14 April 2011, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Despite what the BNP and the likes might print in their propaganda, i think you will find that the WHITE man as you put it is the biggest burden on the welfare state and has been for years.
The LAZY sit on his A$$ im too good to drive a bus empty dustbins or sweep the streets despite the fact that i don't have an exam pass or trade to my name White man IS the reason all this immigration started in the first place YOU PR@T!!!!!!!!
What a Pr!ck you are.

Immigration didn't start because of lazy Chavs. Immigration started because labour made coming to Britain appealing.

If you are a legal immigrant, you can come to Britain and work. You can also claim benefits to send back to Poland for your family.

If you come to Britain and claim asylum, you are granted a FREE House, FREE Benefits, FREE Education, FREE Health care. Stay in Britain for X amount of years and you can then bring your family over to stay. They can claim Benefits too. As your house is now to small, you'll need a bigger house. Not a problem. London and alike are full of 5 Bedroom mansions, ready for the British Tax payer to gift you with £8000 a month rent !!

Where the rest of Europe had quota's for immigrants to new EU member states, Britain didn't bother.

Britain is full, don't pretend otherwise.

Why are House prices so high? Demand outstripping supply. Where is the sudden demand coming from? Immigration.

Where you and me would probably struggle to buy a nice 4 bed house that is now £500k, Mr & Mrs immigrant get to rent one at the tax payers expense. Is that right? An immigrants living in a nicer house, in a nicer part of town, and getting it all payed for by the working man who couldn't afford the same house?

No. It's not right at all.

And then you have the whole issue of illegal immigrants...........

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Originally Posted by stilover
Immigration didn't start because of lazy Chavs. Immigration started because labour made coming to Britain appealing.
Actually mass immigration started after WWII as we needed people to rebuild the country and a lot of manpower had been lost as a result of the war, but don't let that get in the way of the SN NSR myth that everything is ALL Blair/Brown's fault.
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No, that was the first round.

THIS lot started under NL and it was when the EC opened it's gates to all the Eastern Europeans: only Britain, Sweden and Ireland allowed ANYONE to come.

The rest said, yes, come, but first prove there is a job, second prove that you have the qualification for said job and third, prove that there is no indigenous person who can do that job and wants it? If you can't do that, don't come, no benefits, no nothing free.

Of the three who didn't put those restrictions in place, Ireland and Sweden needed LOADS of unskilled labour.
We didn't...........we did it to get costs to industry etc down..........at the cost of unemployment of our own..............AND because NL had a hidden agenda of wanting ethnic diversity.
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Cameron is all wind and water. A very big disappointment.
Until I see action, I take everything that is being said, with a pinch of salt
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Well, yes, but doesn't that apply to all the pocket-fillers? (Sorry, I meant "politicians").
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Despite what the BNP and the likes might print in their propaganda, i think you will find that the WHITE man as you put it is the biggest burden on the welfare state and has been for years.
The LAZY sit on his A$$ im too good to drive a bus empty dustbins or sweep the streets despite the fact that i don't have an exam pass or trade to my name White man IS the reason all this immigration started in the first place YOU PR@T!!!!!!!!
You sound like a racist.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You sound like a racist.
"Mr Kettle, you're black" said the Pot.
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the problem is actually buisness profits greed and a lack of wages equalibrium . a man on benefits with 3-4kids living in a council /social housing platform needs to earn about 520quid per week this was proved by a mate who took a job taxi driving and ended up 16quid a week worse off , the jobs immigrants are doing are about 250quid a week uncluding digs , the then pay around 125quid a month tax, but if they have kids back home can claim child benefit which as we all know is 206.00 for 3 kids so therefore they make no contribution to the uk at all . on average they send about 1000quid a month back home . , companies need to be less greedy wages need to increase at the bottom end and decrease at the top . stands to reason why rbs got rid of 500ground troops every manager on 500k a year needed to get rid of 20ground troops in order to keep his job , that people is the main problem with this country , immigrants are doing jobs men with kids cant afford to do not are to lazy to do , ask yourself the question would you work 46hours to be 16quid worse off i dont think so . cameron and his cronies need to wake up to these facts and sort it
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You could argue immigration (proper) started after WWII.

NL just failed to police the gig properly during their tenure and made it appealing for all and sundry to come and milk the system, which they did, although many stayed, many have since left.
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As F1_fan says, he's just another politician, and starting to come across as seriously limp wristed tbh. Our 'problems', if you view them as such, are probably never going to go away. This country will stay on the path it's on and there's nothing you can do about it.

But as for so-called 'benefits' provided by the state, the list is endless. Most of them are to do with state control of parts of the economy - i.e. people's livelihoods - and are the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot.

This endless drone on the news about creating jobs... it's getting a little tiring. Get one half of the population digging holes and the other half filling them in - hey presto, full employment.
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
"Mr Kettle, you're black" said the Pot.
That is crap and you know it. Ditchmyster was blaming WHITE people which is a racist opinion if ever there was one.

Imagine if someone said the problem was BLACK people?!

It's funny actually because he is wrong anyway since the statistics show that the group which is least likely to work are Muslim.
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Originally Posted by Funkii Munkii
You could argue immigration (proper) started after WWII.

NL just failed to police the gig properly during their tenure and made it appealing for all and sundry to come and milk the system, which they did, although many stayed, many have since left.
There has been immigration since the Saxons, the point is that New Labour showed such lack of control that there was an unprecedented wave of immigration the last 10 years. The freedom for any Eastern Euro to move here is historically unprecedented. We are talking a mass movement of people here.

It's very noticable. I basically spend 5 years away and when I have come back you see gangs of dodgy eastern euro men wearing leather jackets roaming about...they have a certain look, plus endless illegal types from places like Pakistan/Afghanistan....most of them need to learn English and how to wash.

The area where I am from is now less white than it was and it is not unusual to see Pakistani types walking about in those white cloth pajama outfits. Never used to see that before.

I'm not saying it is bad per se, but I prefer to live in an area with people I can speak English to and who were born here. I plan to move to an area which is 99% white according to the last census. Make of that what you will but 'white flight' is real.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
That is crap and you know it.
So you've never said anything on here that someone may view as racist?
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I basically spend 5 years away
Good for you, I only managed four years abroad. Which countries have you lived and worked in?

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and when I have come back you see gangs of dodgy eastern euro men wearing leather jackets roaming about...they have a certain look
Stereotyping there, Tony.

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plus endless illegal types from places like Pakistan/Afghanistan....
Types? These types you refer to are humans.

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most of them need to learn English.
So out of all the countries you have ever been to, were you fluent in their languages?
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and how to wash
A bit more stereotyping. For someone who tries to give the impression of being so worldy-wise, educated and intelligent, you really are ignorant.

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The area where I am from is now less white than it was and it is not unusual to see Pakistani types walking about in those white cloth pajama outfits.
Oh, wait! A bit more racial stereotyping.

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I'm not saying it is bad per se, but I prefer to live in an area with people I can speak English to and who were born here.
Yet you are happy to go and work abroad in foreign countries. Hypocritical?

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I plan to move to an area which is 99% white according to the last census. Make of that what you will but 'white flight' is real.
Is that when you move out of your mum's house?
And if I remember rightly, you don't have a girlfriend. Do you blame the Muslims for that too? You really are a angry, bitter, little boy aren't you!
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brilliant

as i said in an earlier post -- he is so confused, that if left alone he will start an argument with himself

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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You sound like a racist.
That would be a neat trick considering im half black and half white married to a white woman with a little boy that has blue eyes and blond hair.
Im a white supremisist........


I just don't like idiots that think all the **** that is wrong with this country is some how the fault of the non white minority who mostly came here to work.
when the reality is that the people here on benefits the vast majority of them are 3rd / 4th generation scroungers that dont know how to spell work, and thats why the polish and the like come here to work.
Ok there are those that take advantage of the system and get a big house in kensington but they are very much in the minority

The biggest problem by far is the home grown scroungers,that smoke **** & drink tennants super by day and make babies by night when they are not breaking into the cars and homes of the decent hard working tax payers.

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