I could almost vote for this guy.
14 April 2011, 08:01 PM
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That is crap and you know it. Ditchmyster was blaming WHITE people which is a racist opinion if ever there was one.
Imagine if someone said the problem was BLACK people?!
It's funny actually because he is wrong anyway since the statistics show that the group which is least likely to work are Muslim.
Imagine if someone said the problem was BLACK people?!
It's funny actually because he is wrong anyway since the statistics show that the group which is least likely to work are Muslim.
And for your information i'm in the position where i can blame black or white as it is the privilage of a half white/ black man to do so.
As to suggest that i am or could be a racist is a total non starter
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14 April 2011, 08:14 PM
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What a Pr!ck you are.
Immigration didn't start because of lazy Chavs. Immigration started because labour made coming to Britain appealing.
If you are a legal immigrant, you can come to Britain and work. You can also claim benefits to send back to Poland for your family.
If you come to Britain and claim asylum, you are granted a FREE House, FREE Benefits, FREE Education, FREE Health care. Stay in Britain for X amount of years and you can then bring your family over to stay. They can claim Benefits too. As your house is now to small, you'll need a bigger house. Not a problem. London and alike are full of 5 Bedroom mansions, ready for the British Tax payer to gift you with £8000 a month rent !!
Where the rest of Europe had quota's for immigrants to new EU member states, Britain didn't bother.
Britain is full, don't pretend otherwise.
Why are House prices so high? Demand outstripping supply. Where is the sudden demand coming from? Immigration.
Where you and me would probably struggle to buy a nice 4 bed house that is now £500k, Mr & Mrs immigrant get to rent one at the tax payers expense. Is that right? An immigrants living in a nicer house, in a nicer part of town, and getting it all payed for by the working man who couldn't afford the same house?
No. It's not right at all.
And then you have the whole issue of illegal immigrants...........
Immigration didn't start because of lazy Chavs. Immigration started because labour made coming to Britain appealing.
If you are a legal immigrant, you can come to Britain and work. You can also claim benefits to send back to Poland for your family.
If you come to Britain and claim asylum, you are granted a FREE House, FREE Benefits, FREE Education, FREE Health care. Stay in Britain for X amount of years and you can then bring your family over to stay. They can claim Benefits too. As your house is now to small, you'll need a bigger house. Not a problem. London and alike are full of 5 Bedroom mansions, ready for the British Tax payer to gift you with £8000 a month rent !!
Where the rest of Europe had quota's for immigrants to new EU member states, Britain didn't bother.
Britain is full, don't pretend otherwise.
Why are House prices so high? Demand outstripping supply. Where is the sudden demand coming from? Immigration.
Where you and me would probably struggle to buy a nice 4 bed house that is now £500k, Mr & Mrs immigrant get to rent one at the tax payers expense. Is that right? An immigrants living in a nicer house, in a nicer part of town, and getting it all payed for by the working man who couldn't afford the same house?
No. It's not right at all.
And then you have the whole issue of illegal immigrants...........
14 April 2011, 08:22 PM
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The fact that you are claiming a privilege based on your race makes you a racist.
14 April 2011, 08:29 PM
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So please tell me what race i am and which one i'm being racist towards?
could that possibly be the human race?
I have 45 years of first hand experience of racists on all sides of the fence please tell me more about it as you seem so well versed on the subject.
14 April 2011, 08:36 PM
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Claiming a privilege based on racial status is racism.
14 April 2011, 09:03 PM
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As said before, the state is now set up where you are worse off getting a job that sat at home with 3 kids watching Jeremy kyle all day.
Plus, if a 17 year old traines as say, a plumber. Will he get a job at the end of it? Today, probably not. But during the boom, probably yes.
But........ As I work in the Construction Industry and have seen this first hand. What is happening is that Construction companies were using Agencies to source labour. Where this labour came from they didn't care, as their fee to the agency was less per man than hiring a skilled british worker.
Should the Skilled british worker work for less? Should he work 40 hour weeks as a skilled Plumber/Bricklayer/Electrician etc for the minimum wage?
So skilled young men/women weren't getting the jobs because they were priced out by very cheap foreign labour.
Would you start working for the minimum wage next month if your employer decided that it was either that or he'd hire a Polish etc worker who would? I doubt you would.
Now get off your high Horse.
14 April 2011, 09:19 PM
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Sound like a racist speach that !!
As said before, the state is now set up where you are worse off getting a job that sat at home with 3 kids watching Jeremy kyle all day.
Plus, if a 17 year old traines as say, a plumber. Will he get a job at the end of it? Today, probably not. But during the boom, probably yes.
But........ As I work in the Construction Industry and have seen this first hand. What is happening is that Construction companies were using Agencies to source labour. Where this labour came from they didn't care, as their fee to the agency was less per man than hiring a skilled british worker.
Should the Skilled british worker work for less? Should he work 40 hour weeks as a skilled Plumber/Bricklayer/Electrician etc for the minimum wage?
So skilled young men/women weren't getting the jobs because they were priced out by very cheap foreign labour.
Would you start working for the minimum wage next month if your employer decided that it was either that or he'd hire a Polish etc worker who would? I doubt you would.
Now get off your high Horse.
As said before, the state is now set up where you are worse off getting a job that sat at home with 3 kids watching Jeremy kyle all day.
Plus, if a 17 year old traines as say, a plumber. Will he get a job at the end of it? Today, probably not. But during the boom, probably yes.
But........ As I work in the Construction Industry and have seen this first hand. What is happening is that Construction companies were using Agencies to source labour. Where this labour came from they didn't care, as their fee to the agency was less per man than hiring a skilled british worker.
Should the Skilled british worker work for less? Should he work 40 hour weeks as a skilled Plumber/Bricklayer/Electrician etc for the minimum wage?
So skilled young men/women weren't getting the jobs because they were priced out by very cheap foreign labour.
Would you start working for the minimum wage next month if your employer decided that it was either that or he'd hire a Polish etc worker who would? I doubt you would.
Now get off your high Horse.
Take long slow deep breaths and try to relax.
14 April 2011, 10:59 PM
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Labour allows immigration cos it generally swells their support followed by the Torys talking about/attempting to reverse it 
Whats a total injustice is to suggest that immigration from outside the E.U. is sapping the welfare pot /pinching jobs from our boys
Whats a total injustice is to suggest that immigration from outside the E.U. is sapping the welfare pot /pinching jobs from our boys
14 April 2011, 11:01 PM
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This argument is frankly tosh. The number of people on any sort of benefit is a fairly small percentage of the elecorate and the number of people in work paying tax vastly outweighs that number.
The truth is it is just too hard to have some spine and actually do something about it as all the PC do gooders will kick off about how spiteful and unjust it all is etc. etc. Politicians like an easy life, the days of them having the courage of their convictions are long gone.
The truth is it is just too hard to have some spine and actually do something about it as all the PC do gooders will kick off about how spiteful and unjust it all is etc. etc. Politicians like an easy life, the days of them having the courage of their convictions are long gone.
14 April 2011, 11:50 PM
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What a Pr!ck you are.
Immigration didn't start because of lazy Chavs. Immigration started because labour made coming to Britain appealing.
If you are a legal immigrant, you can come to Britain and work. You can also claim benefits to send back to Poland for your family.
If you come to Britain and claim asylum, you are granted a FREE House, FREE Benefits, FREE Education, FREE Health care. Stay in Britain for X amount of years and you can then bring your family over to stay. They can claim Benefits too. As your house is now to small, you'll need a bigger house. Not a problem. London and alike are full of 5 Bedroom mansions, ready for the British Tax payer to gift you with £8000 a month rent !!
Where the rest of Europe had quota's for immigrants to new EU member states, Britain didn't bother.
Britain is full, don't pretend otherwise.
Why are House prices so high? Demand outstripping supply. Where is the sudden demand coming from? Immigration.
Where you and me would probably struggle to buy a nice 4 bed house that is now £500k, Mr & Mrs immigrant get to rent one at the tax payers expense. Is that right? An immigrants living in a nicer house, in a nicer part of town, and getting it all payed for by the working man who couldn't afford the same house?
No. It's not right at all.
And then you have the whole issue of illegal immigrants...........
Immigration didn't start because of lazy Chavs. Immigration started because labour made coming to Britain appealing.
If you are a legal immigrant, you can come to Britain and work. You can also claim benefits to send back to Poland for your family.
If you come to Britain and claim asylum, you are granted a FREE House, FREE Benefits, FREE Education, FREE Health care. Stay in Britain for X amount of years and you can then bring your family over to stay. They can claim Benefits too. As your house is now to small, you'll need a bigger house. Not a problem. London and alike are full of 5 Bedroom mansions, ready for the British Tax payer to gift you with £8000 a month rent !!
Where the rest of Europe had quota's for immigrants to new EU member states, Britain didn't bother.
Britain is full, don't pretend otherwise.
Why are House prices so high? Demand outstripping supply. Where is the sudden demand coming from? Immigration.
Where you and me would probably struggle to buy a nice 4 bed house that is now £500k, Mr & Mrs immigrant get to rent one at the tax payers expense. Is that right? An immigrants living in a nicer house, in a nicer part of town, and getting it all payed for by the working man who couldn't afford the same house?
No. It's not right at all.
And then you have the whole issue of illegal immigrants...........
Some of the things you say here are completely wrong. When my parents came over here, they received no benefits whatsoever. Had to work for what we achieved.
Sorry, but you do come over like the Daily Mail on acid.
Chill out!
14 April 2011, 11:56 PM
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Tony, calm down. Otherwise this thread will go the usual way when you're involved. Some of what you have said on here is frankly offensive.
Personally, the level of benfits needs to be lowered. The balance of low paid work over high paid benefits will then shift.
With more people forced off benefit and into work there will be less opportunities for foreign workers, that plus no benefits to them will suddenly make them go away.
This will reduce the population and ease the strain on infrastructure.
Over inflated benefit and easy access to it has skewed the economic balance in this country: excessive population, strain on infrastructure, inflated house prices or rents, shifts in investment therefore, and so on.
Needs to be corrected.
Asif
Personally, the level of benfits needs to be lowered. The balance of low paid work over high paid benefits will then shift.
With more people forced off benefit and into work there will be less opportunities for foreign workers, that plus no benefits to them will suddenly make them go away.
This will reduce the population and ease the strain on infrastructure.
Over inflated benefit and easy access to it has skewed the economic balance in this country: excessive population, strain on infrastructure, inflated house prices or rents, shifts in investment therefore, and so on.
Needs to be corrected.
Asif
15 April 2011, 12:38 AM
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A truer reform would have been the offer of proportional representation.
AV is just a slightly watered down version of first past the post, with little real difference in any likely electoral outcome IMO.
Like a pinot noir compared to a full blooded bordeaux to use an oenological analogy.
Don't think I'll bother wandering down to the polling station on May the 5th methinks.
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15 April 2011, 06:24 AM
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Sound like a racist speach that !!
As said before, the state is now set up where you are worse off getting a job that sat at home with 3 kids watching Jeremy kyle all day.
Plus, if a 17 year old traines as say, a plumber. Will he get a job at the end of it? Today, probably not. But during the boom, probably yes.
But........ As I work in the Construction Industry and have seen this first hand. What is happening is that Construction companies were using Agencies to source labour. Where this labour came from they didn't care, as their fee to the agency was less per man than hiring a skilled british worker.
Should the Skilled british worker work for less? Should he work 40 hour weeks as a skilled Plumber/Bricklayer/Electrician etc for the minimum wage?
So skilled young men/women weren't getting the jobs because they were priced out by very cheap foreign labour.
Would you start working for the minimum wage next month if your employer decided that it was either that or he'd hire a Polish etc worker who would? I doubt you would.
Now get off your high Horse.
As said before, the state is now set up where you are worse off getting a job that sat at home with 3 kids watching Jeremy kyle all day.
Plus, if a 17 year old traines as say, a plumber. Will he get a job at the end of it? Today, probably not. But during the boom, probably yes.
But........ As I work in the Construction Industry and have seen this first hand. What is happening is that Construction companies were using Agencies to source labour. Where this labour came from they didn't care, as their fee to the agency was less per man than hiring a skilled british worker.
Should the Skilled british worker work for less? Should he work 40 hour weeks as a skilled Plumber/Bricklayer/Electrician etc for the minimum wage?
So skilled young men/women weren't getting the jobs because they were priced out by very cheap foreign labour.
Would you start working for the minimum wage next month if your employer decided that it was either that or he'd hire a Polish etc worker who would? I doubt you would.
Now get off your high Horse.
I really have no idea what benefits are available and how much people get as i have never tried to claim any.
The only time i / my family have had any benefits is since the birth of my
son and his child benefit goes straight into HIS bank account.
As and when in the past i have been without employment i have gone straight
out and found another job DOING ANYTHING despite being a qualified
communications engineer.
It's called having a work ethic and that is whats lacking in these people, if johny foriegner can do these jobs why can't they.
If the pay is not enough get a second job.
I once had 3 jobs to make ends meet if i can do it why can't they?
This attitude that i won't work for less than X amount or do a particular job as it is below them is the problem not the welfare state.
I could not care less if a person is pink with brown spots a lazy scrounger is a lazy scrounger regardless of colour.
And please don't spout a load of racist zenophobic crap at me and call me a racist.
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The interesting thing here is that we are offered AV as as some kind of viable alternative to first past the post.
A truer reform would have been the offer of proportional representation.
AV is just a slightly watered down version of first past the post, with little real difference in any likely electoral outcome IMO.
Like a pinot noir compared to a full blooded bordeaux to use an oenological analogy.
Don't think I'll bother wandering down to the polling station on May the 5th methinks.
A truer reform would have been the offer of proportional representation.
AV is just a slightly watered down version of first past the post, with little real difference in any likely electoral outcome IMO.
Like a pinot noir compared to a full blooded bordeaux to use an oenological analogy.
Don't think I'll bother wandering down to the polling station on May the 5th methinks.
Secondly the result will be the same no matter what voting system we have as utimately we end up with a government of greedy self serving career politicians. The party they claim to belomng to no longer makes any diffference as they are call moving to the centre in an effort to seem more electable and therby preseving their own futures and careers rather than doing any real good for the country.
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