martin_reyland

yhe chod, how come your car is so slow to 100 with 600hp, should be about 7 secs, bull poo eh?
vectra boy, 11 secs to 100, more of the above!

g0d

The discussion was about which is better out of an escort cos and a scooby. The scooby is probably better value for money but lets face it the cosworth engine is a legend they would still be making them now if they diddn't cost ford more to produce than they sold for. The scooby is a great sports car for the masses but a cosworth engine can give you supercar performance for alot less money and represents British engineering at its best.

(and as a general rule I despise fords and all who drive them)

LG John

Class A I think you make some interesting points about the origins of the scooby and the cosworth - didn't know the Cossie was so un-escortish.

Vectra your having a nightmare mate! I'm not too bothered about your claims of scooby killing cars and the likes at the end of the day you can take virtually any car and make it faster than virtually any other if you are willing to put in the time, effort and money. No doubt the Escort Cosworth is fast, handles well, turns heads, etc but they just don't excite me. The scooby is the full package, you can pick up standard 99T's (UK) for about £13K and for another £1K get yourself a healthy increase in power. Spend another £1K on the handling (15K - not an unreasonable amount of money) and you've got yourself a very fast point to point car that is relatively reliable, comfortable, etc.

I just wish people would stop comparing heavily modified cars to standard ones! If I ever win the lottery or hit the big time I'm going to buy the biggest piece of **** car I can find and make it silly fast just to prove it can be done. My point is this - for the money the scooby is a good package and good value for money. I don't think I've ever seen a cossie advertised for under £25K, for that you could buy a £10K WRX Sti and chuck £15K at it - surely with that kind of modifying money available it would be able to murder a Cossie? Just my thoughts.

class_A

Brief history on the Escort Cosworth here...
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Strip/5446/dv/history/history.html

I believe that some of the original run, large turbo cars were also equipped with water injection although that may just be my mind playing tricks :-)

If I won the lottery, I think the garage to keep all the cars in might be bigger than the house I'd live in!

Ah, more info...
http://www.rs4x4.co.uk/rs-cosworth-escort-t34.htm

It looks as if the water inj. was installed but not hooked up, similar to the 8 injector situation on the RS500. I think it was the first production car in the world to be fitted with water injection.

nigelward

The water injection was included for the homologation purposes of the Rally car.

Nigel

mk2escortcossie

How much would your average Scoob be worth in 10 years, doubt £15K.
Bit of a biased forum, comparing Scoobs to Fords on a Scoob board, Spot the braincell,

Vectra = ****

My Mk2 does a 0-60 in 5.93 secs, and i blame it on lack of traction.
How much BHP will you get from £800 in your Scoob, my P plate essie lux got an extra 141BHP,

Martin reyland (Hadland), C u at Brunters this year, remember its a 0-60 not a top end, or will you run scared again, Beware of the trusty Capri and the lethal Focus.

Gordon Shek

Corner?

Sorry couldn't resist.

Monte

Saxo Boy,

Where are you getting your prices from, £25K for an Escort Cossie, you must be joking, perhaps 6/7 Years ago!!!

Its a buyers market at the moment and people struggle to get £14K for an Escort Cossie. To be honest I would only pay about £10K for a 'normal' ish one. The real bargains at the moment are 2wd saph cossies, a 'normal' ish one is worthless, pick up a cracker for around £3.5/4K (330+Bhp etc etc!!).

Cheers,

Dan

yhe chod

sorry made a misprint on my previous post-it should be 6000bhp-0-60 in 1 sec.-0-100 in 3.5 [POINT; WHO BLOODY CARES -EVERYONES JEALOUSE OF OUR SCOOBYS] GO AND BUY YOUR OWN!!!

Stealth

iTrader: (4)

Vectra is a complete spanner... you may well have a vectra that is raced tunning etc but to be honest you have a VAXAULL!!! Who the hell wants a VAXAULL!! You can drop a 2 litre turbo engine in a Nova but it doesn't make it a good car, it just makes it an even more expensive piece of junk that you're never gonna get your money back for. People look at your highly tunned car that you've spent a fourtune on and just think...... T0055ER what a waste of money.....

People look at a well looked after Impreza and almost instantly the words "Quality car" jumps to the tip of their tongue!! At the end of the day you drive the AR%£ end of the Geman market around...

Scooby's are by far one of the best point to point cars, power isn't really an issue, it just helps... it's not how quickly you get there, it's the class you get there in and to be perfectly honest VAXAULL have about as much class as a skoda.

Get a real car

pretzel boy

ha ha vectra you ****, what are you trying to say exactly?

Of course any race car you spend millions on will beat any standard car that costs £20k new, regardless of whatever piece of **** excuse for a car it started as...

But when talking about comparing production road cars, are you trying to say a standard vectra comes close to a standard scooby in any way?! Even without mentioning the 1600kg FWD tank trying to go round corners, a Vectra GSI takes 7.5 secs to 60 so I doubt it will blow a scooby! Oh and how much did your mate spend tuning his vectra to 300bhp? And even then does it get to 60 in 5 seconds like an £8k WRX? I doubt it. Oh and MY mate has a 2 year old BMW 328i that cost £20k and no it isn't faster than even a standard UK turbo model.

And Vauxhall aren't exactly known for their reliability so don't dis Jap cars!

Anyway aren't you in the wrong forum? Shouldn't you be in the Network Q forums talking about roof rails and boasting about mpg figures?

Tosser!

Blitz_Boy

Stealth you're wrong.
You cant compare Vauxhall to Skoda now because Skodas are far better.
Where is Vectra now?? Probably gone back to his cave.

[Edited by Blitz_Boy - 4/21/2002 8:07:52 PM]

Richie1

Not me, I'd rather have a Vauxhall or is that what you were trying to get your blinkered little mind to spell ??


Just cause one idiot annoys you dont mean what you have said in this statement is correct.


The fact that Vauxhall produced possibly the best 16v engine ever built (in association with Cosworth) means nothing ??

The fact that a standard Vauxhall Cavalier/Calibra Turbo will match a standard UK spec (208BHP) Impreza as well as a standard Sierra Cosworth means nothing ??

The fact that modified ones are now producing as much as 380BHP means nothing ??



You're about as bigoted as that Vectra gimp...... Get over yourself Stealth [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

DARREN

And my dads bigger than your dad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Darren

LG John

monte I haven't paid the cossie any attention over the years but every time I've seen them advertised they are asking silly money. Cheers for putting me right though.

Carlos The Jackel

You still see them for over 20k in mags/autotrader etc. lucky if you get one under 10k

Richie1

Good for you

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I'll leave vectra out of this cos its a vauxhall but as far as cosworth v scoob engines go then the cosworth engine will win outright.....
What most people have to remember is that the cosworth engine is actually a detuntuned race engine, the scoobs engine is a mass production engine and not quite in the same league but out of the box the scoob is probably the better package than a cosworth but both cars are excellent and even though we all have this banter about my car has the better engine etc both can be made to push out over 500bhp even if the scoobs engine will cost somewhat more to do so and most 500bhp cossies dont live with the std box either
Both great cars, both excellent machines and both a damn sight better than a modified vectra which by the way, 300bhp aint much for a modified scoob if done correctly

Tony

Stealth

iTrader: (4)

Richie 1 have you put your handbag down yet ? ? ?

VAXAULL is about right... after all it has all the elegance and airodynamics of a sodding VAX hoover needless to say not much more power!!!!!!

There was no spelling mistake it was intentional !!!

The thing with Vauxhall is they always need someone to come in and help them... the best 16V engine in association with Cosworth.... why can't they do this on there own ? ?

I like many cars, there are many that are on a par if not better than an impreza but Vauxhall don't produce any of them and you'll hard pressed to get the performance per £ from any other car that you can get from a 95> Scooby

There we go sweetheart... we setteled down now

Adam M

isnt it time we all grew out of these threads?

they give impreza owners a bad name, and really diminish the quality of this site.

Redkop

Orig by mk2escortcossie

Quote:

How much BHP will you get from £800 in your Scoob, my P plate essie lux got an extra 141BHP

You are not serious, surely? 141 bhp on a 'P' reg. small turbo....most you can get from a modded T25 turbo is 280bhp and anymore you would have to get a Graham Goode conversion and thats only to 305bhp. Yet you are claiming 361bhp for £800.00
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[Edited by Redkop - 4/22/2002 3:20:08 PM]

Richie1

What like Ford ??

Mebbe if Subaru went to someone like Cosworth then they may not have had the Big end No3 problem

Richie1

Just thought I'd make the following point -

I visit the Scottish section of this board quite often and not one of them seems to have a problem with other cars.

I have been to a couple of their RR days and, far from looking down their noses to the odd Vauxhall driver, some of them were proper impressed with the power they were producing and have said on a number of occasions that they would match Imprezas of the same power.

I have mentioned that I plan on going to one of the Top Marques nights and one or 2 of them are up for seeing what the car can do. If they then slate it fine but at least they will have the ability to say this having had the experience of being in one.


Why is it then that a lot of the ppl on the rest of the board look down their noses at other makes of cars ??

Sure, that t1t vectra wound you up but does that make me or the car I drive the same as him ??

I do not come on here to start fights but, in the same vein, I wont sit here and see crap posted about certain stuff.

Ok, so my sense of humour may take a bit of getting used to (much like pslewis) but come on


I thank you

SCOTTSCOOBY

carnt belive people on here with vectra's they are just so un kool, there everywhere salesman cars! cosworths scoobies evo's there all good , depends how much money you wanna throw at them you van make any car fast! depends if you want to. if you think the scooby is ugly and slow what the f**k you on here for. t*at!

absolute idiots.

DARREN

I agree with Tonyburns about the Cossy being the better engine(and i drive an STi)But surely Tony the cossies bottom end was mass produced in Pinto form from the 1970s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only way they were modified was by reboring,stroking,steel crank,forged piston and lightened and balanced!!
Cosworth then stuck a head on it didnt they!!!
I Apologise if i'm wrong

Darren

well hung

I always thought scoobynet was for the scooby, as in subaru! So to all you sad f**kers who have vectras and cossies, **** off and find your own web site. Personally im not arsed about how much bhp a late spec small turbo escort can give but im im sure an rs member would love to listen to s**t all night long. Basically this is for subarus so dont come on here and slag off our cars d**kheads, goodnight.

Richie1

So when an Impreza driver (like what started this topic) askes a question of whether a car is better than an Impreza, its only Subaru owners who's opinions matter ??

mk2escortcossie

The £800 was spent at the now defunct GVR motorsport specialists in Todmorden, that was for a specially made in-house T5 where they would not reveal what they did and theyre own exhaust, I had already bought the usual filter and plugs beforehand.
I find if you look round a bit and find somthing diffrent you get more pleasure than doing the same old tried and tested and it doesnt cost that much more.
Before well hung starts crying again I do own a Scoob, Terzo 3 that has spent more time in the workshop than on the road, Good package admitedly but when i can finally sell it i will prob go back to Ford.

Mike Rainbird

Thats funny because the standard blue injectors on an EECIV Cossie won't flow anymore than 280bhp (despite GGRs 305 claim (which actually made 267bhp on an engine dyno))...



Anyway, here is a picture of my car. Looks better than ANY Scoob IMHO (although it's almost even-Stevens with a 22B). This used to be a small turbo model (with the aforementioned GGR conversion), but the EECIV stuff got thrown in the skip and Webber Marrelli and a T3/4 (rare motorsport 0.55 a/r exhaust housing) fitted. It made 436bhp / 419lb ft on an engine dyno, whereby the gearbox lasted a grand total of three hours. It now has a Swedish Gear kit in it - semi straight cut 1st, 2nd & 3rd with hardened 4th and 5th. Seems okay, just hope it will survive the Ring next week!

A good Escort will still fetch nearly £20k - the Scoobies are the new Sapphire Cossie (pick one up for £5k....). But they are such a nice car and the flat four warble is the best engine soundtrack available. Shame it's made of chocolate though...
LOL
Mike R

Richie1

Mike, thought you had a Sapphire Cosworth ??



[Edited by Richie1 - 4/23/2002 10:11:28 AM]