Mind the gap - cycling
26 May 2011, 11:16 AM
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26 May 2011, 11:42 AM
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So who is going to pay for the damage to the bus and the 4x4?
Wont be mr cyclist as he wont be insured....
Now that puts us back to cyclists needing to be insured, and then do they need to do a road test under instruction on the roads?
In the next few years we are going to see more and more idiots like that getting killed trying to go on the inside of a HGV going round a corner or getting through small gaps that close, or even because they dont look at the lights, and they are immune to speed cameras/traffic light cameras as they have no licence plate.
Remember that cyclists will always come off worse in an accident, most because they are brain dead and think they are indestructable
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So who is going to pay for the damage to the bus and the 4x4?
Wont be mr cyclist as he wont be insured....
Now that puts us back to cyclists needing to be insured, and then do they need to do a road test under instruction on the roads?
In the next few years we are going to see more and more idiots like that getting killed trying to go on the inside of a HGV going round a corner or getting through small gaps that close, or even because they dont look at the lights, and they are immune to speed cameras/traffic light cameras as they have no licence plate.
Remember that cyclists will always come off worse in an accident, most because they are brain dead and think they are indestructable
Tony
An individuals liability does not depend on his insurance level. That person is liable for the damages he has caused. The insurance simply means that the costs are met by his insurance company. In this case, if the bus and car drivers decide to - he's going to have a VERY bad day.
I'm not even going to bother with the red light jumping diatribe - it's all been said before ad nauseam.
Speed cameras? Why thanks. It's not actually illegal to speed on a bike (except where local by laws are in place) and while I can get over 30mph it takes a fair bit of effort to maintain it.
26 May 2011, 12:12 PM
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Do you really see bikers doing all those things or are you just saying it for effect.
I have never yet seen a biker pushing his luck in the way you say, yes sometimes speeding, probably similar to what you do in your car when you are taking it to max revs in all the gears as you said you do!.
I have long experience on bikes as well as cars and I can assure you that all the bikers I know are very careful not to put themselves at risk since they are so vulnerable. The ones that do are not around for very long! Have you ridden a bike?...what do you think is likely to be the consequence of knocking off a wing mirror with the handlebars?
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I have never yet seen a biker pushing his luck in the way you say, yes sometimes speeding, probably similar to what you do in your car when you are taking it to max revs in all the gears as you said you do!.
I have long experience on bikes as well as cars and I can assure you that all the bikers I know are very careful not to put themselves at risk since they are so vulnerable. The ones that do are not around for very long! Have you ridden a bike?...what do you think is likely to be the consequence of knocking off a wing mirror with the handlebars?
Les
Only a minority of both act like idiots but nevertheless idiot bikers and cyclists do exist.
Idiot cyclists do tend to be disproportionately represented amongst city couriers.
I saw two bikers racing in a 30 zone, and one cyclist cut me up earlier in the week.
Guess which was more dangerous to the public and other motorists?
26 May 2011, 12:15 PM
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Do you find that is annoying to you then, especially since the cars are all stopped then the bike can't be causing the cars any problem.
There is no reason under that kind of traffic condition why the biker can't use the diagonal lined bit of road if the diagonals are bounded by dashed lines. It is legal to do so if you need to use that bit of road and it does not cause a problem.
Are you saying that if the traffic has all stopped then bikers should also stop even though they can safely filter through the stopped cars without causing them any extra problems?
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26 May 2011, 12:18 PM
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I presume you are complaining about bikers filtering through stopped traffic taking advantage of the narrow width of a motor bike.
Do you find that is annoying to you then, especially since the cars are all stopped then the bike can't be causing the cars any problem.
There is no reason under that kind of traffic condition why the biker can't use the diagonal lined bit of road if the diagonals are bounded by dashed lines. It is legal to do so if you need to use that bit of road and it does not cause a problem.
Are you saying that if the traffic has all stopped then bikers should also stop even though they can safely filter through the stopped cars without causing them any extra problems?
Les
Do you find that is annoying to you then, especially since the cars are all stopped then the bike can't be causing the cars any problem.
There is no reason under that kind of traffic condition why the biker can't use the diagonal lined bit of road if the diagonals are bounded by dashed lines. It is legal to do so if you need to use that bit of road and it does not cause a problem.
Are you saying that if the traffic has all stopped then bikers should also stop even though they can safely filter through the stopped cars without causing them any extra problems?
Les
26 May 2011, 02:07 PM
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I presume you are complaining about bikers filtering through stopped traffic taking advantage of the narrow width of a motor bike.
Do you find that is annoying to you then, especially since the cars are all stopped then the bike can't be causing the cars any problem.
There is no reason under that kind of traffic condition why the biker can't use the diagonal lined bit of road if the diagonals are bounded by dashed lines. It is legal to do so if you need to use that bit of road and it does not cause a problem.
Are you saying that if the traffic has all stopped then bikers should also stop even though they can safely filter through the stopped cars without causing them any extra problems?
Les
Do you find that is annoying to you then, especially since the cars are all stopped then the bike can't be causing the cars any problem.
There is no reason under that kind of traffic condition why the biker can't use the diagonal lined bit of road if the diagonals are bounded by dashed lines. It is legal to do so if you need to use that bit of road and it does not cause a problem.
Are you saying that if the traffic has all stopped then bikers should also stop even though they can safely filter through the stopped cars without causing them any extra problems?
Les
I also refer to the pr1cks who ride down the center of the roads regardless how wide or narrow it is and regardless of the roadmarkings 
Little wonder so many get wiped out 
26 May 2011, 09:15 PM
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It's be nice if people actually did a little reading before spouting this kind of hackneyed, blinkered rubbish.
An individuals liability does not depend on his insurance level. That person is liable for the damages he has caused. The insurance simply means that the costs are met by his insurance company. In this case, if the bus and car drivers decide to - he's going to have a VERY bad day.
I'm not even going to bother with the red light jumping diatribe - it's all been said before ad nauseam.
Speed cameras? Why thanks. It's not actually illegal to speed on a bike (except where local by laws are in place) and while I can get over 30mph it takes a fair bit of effort to maintain it.
An individuals liability does not depend on his insurance level. That person is liable for the damages he has caused. The insurance simply means that the costs are met by his insurance company. In this case, if the bus and car drivers decide to - he's going to have a VERY bad day.
I'm not even going to bother with the red light jumping diatribe - it's all been said before ad nauseam.
Speed cameras? Why thanks. It's not actually illegal to speed on a bike (except where local by laws are in place) and while I can get over 30mph it takes a fair bit of effort to maintain it.
If cyclist x had some form of insurance, presto, all sorted
Also I would read carefully about the speeding laws, cyclists can be done for speeding, note it also says this in the highway code, though its astrixed and states all "traffic", id not expect many cyclists could do 60mph though but 30mph is easily achievable on a good sports cycle.
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26 May 2011, 09:26 PM
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That's if you can persuade said cyclisty to give his real name and address which is unlikely. They need to be insured like every other road user has to be. It doesn't have to cost the earth, but why should they be the only ones exempt?
26 May 2011, 09:38 PM
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Ride a bike and you can go without insurance as well, it isn't us and them its just a choice.
26 May 2011, 09:42 PM
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Like every other road user?
What is it now, 1 in 10 drivers are uninsured? I'd suggest this was a bigger concern than a cyclist to be honest.
If I had to get insurance I would, but as I don't I wont.
What is it now, 1 in 10 drivers are uninsured? I'd suggest this was a bigger concern than a cyclist to be honest.
If I had to get insurance I would, but as I don't I wont.
26 May 2011, 09:51 PM
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Well I wouildn't expect the 'holier than thou' cyclist fraternity on SN to agree with me would I now? Doesn't change the fact that if you ahd any common sense you'd be insured anyway.
26 May 2011, 10:04 PM
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But OK then let's turn this round if cyclsts don't need it why not cars? Would they not need it?
26 May 2011, 10:14 PM
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I Insure three cars, 2 lives, 1 house and one central heating system, around £200 a month, on the off chance I damage someone car through my own stupidity I will pay for it but generally I have more to lose than some paint and the odd dent and generally it isn't me causing me problems.
26 May 2011, 10:39 PM
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A car is significantly bigger and heavier and so could cause injury and/or damage to 3rd parties required financial redress.
27 May 2011, 09:41 AM
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How would you enforce insurance for bikes, really? I mean, kids ride bikes, even toddlers, so in your mind would they have to have insurance? Or is it only a certain type of bike you want to have it? Perhaps ones with more than 10 gears??? How ridiculous!
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That way when one of your cycling fraternity cycles like the bell end in the video and damages a vehicle the vehicle owner can get it sorted with no hassle.
As it stands now if someone is prepared to ride like that they are no way gong to give their real details to the guy in that 4x4 as they are obviously a numb **** with no regard for anyone else on the road.
Sorry, but I know some of you cycle sensibly, but like the minority of ******** car drivers there is also a minority of cyclists who take the ****. The difference is they know they can get away with it like the ***** on that video in here a few weeks agao arguing with the copper over running a red light.
27 May 2011, 10:48 AM
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I would like to know the statistics of cyclists damaging vehicles, I personally have written off, this week, one brand new Range Rover and a Scania, with my bare legs !
27 May 2011, 10:59 AM
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27 May 2011, 02:41 PM
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27 May 2011, 02:54 PM
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No, I refer the the muppets who overtake and undertake at the same time on motorways while traffic is slow moving / stopped (I need to invent a remote opening device for my passenger door) I also refer to the pr1cks who ride down the center of the roads regardless how wide or narrow it is and regardless of the roadmarkings Little wonder so many get wiped out
I also refer to the pr1cks who ride down the center of the roads regardless how wide or narrow it is and regardless of the roadmarkings Little wonder so many get wiped out You say traffic which is slow moving or stopped-well I covered all that in my previous post. I think you are suffering from an attack of the green eyes, do you also feel the same about cars which overtake you?
Well I hardly ever see bikers behaving in the way you describe. There probably are some like that, we see the same sort of thing in cars sometimes too! As I said in my previous post, clowns like that usually wind up being commemorated with bunches of flowers tied to a tree!
Your point about wishing for a remote device for opening your passenger door, doubtless in a deliberate attempt to cause a biker to crash, demonstrates to us all how your mind works, and that is nothing to write home about!
Les