ukpaisley

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Interesting !! Well I have a small problem, to make the car more drivable then it’s a question of taste, If you map live on the road, not just the full pull down from full load then the results are different, and the option of fine tune under light load is not an option, often a like for those of us who like to use part throttle for long journeys it will be missing. Large changes in a car setup like UK to TD05(jdm) or away from 100Ron fuel then it’s a good step. Change in injector and away from manufactures setup then custom map is the only way. You may wonder why I am looking and commenting the fact is I like 380+ bhp and its not going to happen on a Subaru without lots of spare cash. I don’t know what a Subaru is like 100% like other cars and my Subaru is a toy, until I get a handle on it then I will look at proper power upgrades , I think that a cheap chip with reliability is needed. I would be interested in before and after results on a 3 mod setup (filter/decat/exhaust). The only clarification is boost, with the options open with 3 port sols and the different types of induction leaves a lot open for disaster. In the old days when we wanted max boost as early as possible at the sacrifice of drivability , then electronic boost control is the way to go, where the duty and gain of the boost sol is not in question until we are well over full boost. So is a generic chip good then the answer is yes, the problem is getting one with a known “Safe” map. Remember a safe map is not going to give you all you can get ! safely. Time I think some real results are published , eproms don’t cost the earth its just the mapping time !!. Remember if you have 20 bhp more them me with the same mods then the fact the other person is a better driver or gets on the gas early or he knows he road then yore gonna think youre car is not performing well. Fact bang for buck the chip is ok ( you will want to be serious about youre car later and map it!!)

westy94wrx

Hi Eclipse Performance well can you tell me what sort of power and torques figure i should expect with my current setup (Induction Kit,Straight Through Decat exhaust and Z4 Ecu) Also what will i exactly need to go along with this chip? Also my car is running bang on and i have have spent a small fortune on it and dont want to blow it up so is this safe?

P1Drifter

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you wont be getting any guarantees mate

eclipse performance

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Hi Westy, assuming your running a TD05 with 380 injectors then before the chip you should be close to 280bhp with the decat. Your standard ECU should be giving you 12.7 PSI, so once chipped and upped to 17 or 18 PSI I would expect it to reach around 300bhp.

Like I said in an earlier post, the only issues we have seen have been with customers fitting the chip to their own Z4 ECU, but when we fit them here we dont see any problems so i cant explain why.

We do offer a 100% money back guarentee so if you are not satisfied in any way we will refund all your money (minus postage of course!)

Chris.

P1Drifter

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at 17-18psi you would of maxed your map sensor voltage and fuel cut unless 'your' chips have removed this important safety feature ?

eclipse performance

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Drifter, do you get out of the wrong side of the bed every morning or something???

No, our chips DONT remove fuel cut, if you had bothered to read my ealier post, or read any of our adverts, or even better still, spoken to me, you would know that. We've had plenty running up to 17/18 psi without any issues at all!

eclipse performance

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Drifter, do you get out of the wrong side of the bed every morning or something???

No, our chips DONT remove fuel cut, if you had bothered to read my ealier post, or read any of our adverts, or even better still, spoken to me, you would know that. We've had plenty running up to 17/18 psi, particularly those with decats, without any issues at all!

bigsinky

^^^^^that's some stutter there fella

westy94wrx

so how much are the chips with postage and what sort of torque should i expect ?

eclipse performance

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Bl@@dy IPhone stalled half way through sending it so I thought it hadn't worked!

Westy, I dont know the torque figures off the top of my head so I wont guess, I'll see if I can dig out any power graphs when I get into work tomorrow.

The price, including postage is £51.98.

You can find more info here. Theres also some genuine feedback there from a recent happy customer.

dan83590

Well I for one have never read any thread which states that a blown engine was down to a chip. Never!

For piece of mind fit 'any' of these chips and go to your nearest RR to check it. Easy.

eclipse performance

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Very true Dan. One of the most important features of the chip (and one that often gets overlooked) is the fact that the ignition timing is mapped for UK fuel, thus REDUCING the risk of detonation, and potential engine damage.

bigsinky

a £100 per hour diagnostic session on a RR sort of defeats the purpose of a £50 fit and forget chip. horses for courses. it will be a generic map on the chip that will satisfy 95% of standard cars out there because of the tolerances subaru have built into their engines.

@eclipse

FYI

the "subaru CHIP" link on the bottom of this page links to an ebay item no longer available.

stuart69

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LOL

dan83590

£100. You should shop around bud. Money well spent though, still cheaper than a new ECU.

eclipse performance

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Thanks Sinky, all sorted.

As for £100 for rollong road session, its probably not that far off. A straight forward power run will be IRO £40, but that wont diagnose anything. We do a diagnostic service without the rolling road, but with full datalogging and AFR's read for £75.

But like has been said before, fitting the chip is SAFER than NOT fitting it. So I would suggest its those running Imports WITHOUT chips that need to get the diagnosis done!

timmyajmy93wrx

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this goes for me too, i have one & its the best for the early 4 pin ecu's without spending mega money for great gains & a safe running engine (providing engine parts are all in good working order & things like coil packs)

Tidgy

So just to calrify the chip alters the boost, fueling and the timing?

dan83590

I seem to remember these chips being slated when they first arrived too. Now they are amazing!

It is very easy to copy these chips with the right kit, you do know that, right? At these prices I would be surprised if each one had been developed from scratch. Just compare it to the ESL chip set and now ESL live which has been.

dan83590

You mean - Is it the exact same chip on offer from other sellers?

Tidgy

No mate, I wouldn't put a chip like this on my car if someone paid me too. I'm wondering exactly what has been changed on the map.

eclipse performance

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To come with such a strong statement you obviously have your car properly mapped for all your mods, which is fine. That's far better than fitting a chip!

However, not every Impreza owner wants, or can afford to have it custom mapped, so the chip is an alternative to bring your AFR's closer to the mark, and to avoid det. Like I said earlier, the chip has been mapped for an impreza using a tdo5 turbo, Decat exhaust, panel filter and most importantly UK fuel! If your running those mods then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If your mods are slightly different then of course it's not gonna be perfect, but due to the ignition map alterations to suit our fuel, you will still be FAR better off than running a standard ECU that is mapped to run 100 octane fuel.

Tidgy

Problem is how far out 'is none perfect'.

I've seen flash maps wipe out engines and i've seen chiped engines running realy bad.

Personaly i wouldn't go near a generic map.

As far as costs involved then if you can't afford to get things done right then you can't afford them. Sounds harsh, but a rebuild will cost you way way more than a map.

eclipse performance

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But your standard ECU is full of generic maps??? Subaru don't map each and every impreza as it's made, then come and tweek it each time you modify it, so once you start modifying it then your software is no good... Hence requiring a chip, or better still, a remap!

The only imprezas that are completely 'safe' and don't need any software modifications are UK cars with absolutely no modifications.

Tidgy

The standard map is set to allow for a tollerance range, manufacture, fuel, condition etc etc etc. To improve the performance you reduce that 'allowed for' tollerance range.

If your car is close to the tollerance range and you move the goal posts and your outside that range, nasty things happen, like rods suiciding themselves towards pedestrians, or det frying the pistons.

By changing the map without checking it's ok, you wont know if your damaging it or not.

even subaru got it wrong on the hatch and they will have tested multiple cars.

dj219957

The problem is the "total eclipse chip" means nothing to anyone, its just another ebay chip.
A polar performance chip or "scoobyecu" on the other hand has a long history behind it and a "brand" if you like. They were very popular only becuase the author of the map on the chip was the seller of the chip and he was well known and knoweldable about scoobys and mapping. A lot of the chips on ebay are just rip offs off somebody elses map and the sellers of them dont REALLY know much about the type of map thats on the chip or whether it is safe. Hence why i have not bought one and hence why this thread has gone the way it has. I say this becuase there ARE chips out there with really bad maps on.

P1Drifter

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P1Drifter

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pretty much sums it up ! eclipse performance you say 'your' maps are changed for uk fuel, whats the hex offset of the ignition table in the rom then ?

eclipse performance

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Drifter, you really have got a problem with me haven't you?! I suggest you take it to PM! I have clearly explained to you that we buy our chips, already mapped from the person who maps them himself! Not once have I said we write the software in them!!

This whole thread hasn't been about 'our chips are better than theirs', or this ones better than that. It has simply been a discussion about the value of chipping, and weather it is 'safe'? All I have tried to do is explain to people the benefits of fitting a chip, particularly if they run an import.

Hopefuly people now realise that fitting the chip is not ALL about extra power, in fact the main reason for fitting one should be for making it safer on UK fuel!

dj219957

the thread was started by someone asking if they had tried the eclipse chip....
besides the fact is that pre 96 import ecus will work fine on super unleaded uk fuel anyway, even the sti ones. Prodrive used the jap sti2 map for their upgrade! they dont need 100ron fuel. 100 ron fuel want even used much in japan pre 96. ive run a z4 ecu on super unleaded with a knocklink and there was only greens on the display.
v power 99 or tesco 99 is more than enough.
most of these chips need super unleaded too.