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Old 19 June 2011, 10:27 PM
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You get bugger all in my industry, just a months pay for every year I think.

It's only old school type industries and the public sector which offer silly redundancy packages.
Old 19 June 2011, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Feel free to have a whip round ...... it will be a £30,000 Tax Free up front payment and then £55,000 Annual Compensation Payment each year. Until I pop my clogs!

It's going to be very tight - but I would sacrifice myself on the alter of Tory Cuts ...... for the good of mankind all over - that's the kind of great guy I am!!
Don't you work for a pseudo-public sector company anyway (i.e British Energy)? Bloody hypocrite.

Private industry which exists in the real world doesn't offer that sort of redundancy or benefits.
Old 19 June 2011, 10:39 PM
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I work for a PRIVATE company ..... managed by 3 US Private Companies ..... it's about as Private as you can get!!

I was removed from the Civil Service nearly 20 years ago - surely I have paid my penalty ?

I have seen it from all sides now ..... prior to the Civil Service I worked for Private Companies, like Black & Decker for example.

Therefore no hypcrite!
Old 19 June 2011, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I work for a PRIVATE company ..... managed by 3 US Private Companies ..... it's about as Private as you can get!!

I was removed from the Civil Service nearly 20 years ago - surely I have paid my penalty ?

I have seen it from all sides now ..... prior to the Civil Service I worked for Private Companies, like Black & Decker for example.

Therefore no hypcrite!
I'm sure you have some legacy contract or something then. Privatised companies had to inherit the old cultures and agreements etc and these former nationalised companies were always 'old school' in the way there was unionisation etc.

There is no way a private company - existing in the real world - pays £30k a year for redundancy to technical staff.

I know this because I work for such a company. Management would rather bite their arms off than pay above the statuary minimum.

Former nationalised companies maybe where everyone had 'job for life' contacts.

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Old 19 June 2011, 11:08 PM
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It's not £30k a year .... it's a £30k Lump Sum at the front end.

THEN, an Annual Compensation Payment of £55k a year ......
Old 19 June 2011, 11:27 PM
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The amount of time you spend on here interacting with the hoi polloi is somewhat at odds with your supposed personal circumstances.
One might ask why.
Or if.
Old 20 June 2011, 08:50 AM
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Everyone needs relaxation time, entertainment and interaction.

SN is my playground ....... it fits in perfectly
Old 20 June 2011, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
It's not £30k a year .... it's a £30k Lump Sum at the front end.

THEN, an Annual Compensation Payment of £55k a year ......
Well that is even more ludicrous.
Old 20 June 2011, 09:36 AM
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Redundancy is only good if you have something else lined up - unless you are pensionable of course.

I was 'lucky' 6 years ago. Out of one job, lump sum, straight into another.

Steve
Old 20 June 2011, 09:46 AM
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The average redundancy payout is £17,926 in the public sector, £8,981 in the private and £7,629 in the voluntary sector, according to CIPD figures.
Old 20 June 2011, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve vRS
Redundancy is only good if you have something else lined up - unless you are pensionable of course.

I was 'lucky' 6 years ago. Out of one job, lump sum, straight into another.

Steve
I'd say 55k per year until you are 60 is pretty damn good. You could virtually retire early.
Old 20 June 2011, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
The average redundancy payout is £17,926 in the public sector, £8,981 in the private and £7,629 in the voluntary sector, according to CIPD figures.
As usual the public sector is way ahead.
Old 20 June 2011, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Feel free to have a whip round ...... it will be a £30,000 Tax Free up front payment and then £55,000 Annual Compensation Payment each year. Until I pop my clogs!

It's going to be very tight - but I would sacrifice myself on the alter of Tory Cuts ...... for the good of mankind all over - that's the kind of great guy I am!!
I never thought I would see the day!

Les
Old 20 June 2011, 10:56 AM
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It is still lawful to make people retire at a predetermined age as long as that is at least 65 and certain other conditions are fulfilled.
Pedro,

If you are as old as you claim (clearly not ) then it's unlikely you'd get any redundancy payout anyway. They'll just ask you nicely to retire, perhaps with some sort of sweetener to encourage you.
Old 20 June 2011, 02:17 PM
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There is no retirement age anymore ... they can make me an offer I cannot refuse, of course.

The £30,000 Lump Sum Tax Free would be that - the £55,000 is the Pension payment which happens to be the same as the ACP.
Old 20 June 2011, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
There is no retirement age anymore ... they can make me an offer I cannot refuse, of course.

The £30,000 Lump Sum Tax Free would be that - the £55,000 is the Pension payment which happens to be the same as the ACP.
So why would your company make a redundancy offer that is so good they have people queuing up to take it?

Are management idiots?

It's obvious you work in the public sector or pseudo-public sector.
Old 20 June 2011, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
So why would your company make a redundancy offer that is so good they have people queuing up to take it?

Are management idiots?

It's obvious you work in the public sector or pseudo-public sector.
More likely to be in the private sector. My redundancy package was superb, a lot more than the laid down minimum.

Chip
Old 20 June 2011, 03:39 PM
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Good?

Are you bonkers?

£30k is nothing these days as a Lump Sum - hell, it wouldn't even buy a new Impreza STi.

And as for the £55k a year pittance ... have you any idea how expensive it is to live in the upper 5% of the population? I can tell you - it ain't cheap!
Old 20 June 2011, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Good?

Are you bonkers?

£30k is nothing these days as a Lump Sum - hell, it wouldn't even buy a new Impreza STi.

And as for the £55k a year pittance ... have you any idea how expensive it is to live in the upper 5% of the population? I can tell you - it ain't cheap!
Come off it Pete, it's massive for non-executives. Most people would easily be happy with that as £55k is way above the national average wage.

You're either in the public sector or in some industry still heavily unionised like air traffic or power generation, not in the real world at all.
Old 20 June 2011, 03:57 PM
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£55k is a HUGE drop if you were earning double that!!

Let me help you get a feel for it ....

If you were on a low salary of £40,000 - and retired on £20,000, you have lost the buying power of £20,000.

If you were on £110,000 and retired on £55,000, you have lost the buying power of £55,000!!!

Can you see why it is actually a pittance? It is all a question of relatives.

At £55,000 a year I will be hurting far worse than someone on £20,000 pension as I have lost a far greater annual payment.
Old 20 June 2011, 04:03 PM
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Yes but you don't have to work, or you could get another job doing something else.

It's a lot of money for doing nothing.
Old 20 June 2011, 04:10 PM
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How would you feel if you had to take a drop of £55k a year?

EXACTLY!! It's the very same feeling.

And, remember that I have paid into the Pension fund at the rate of 8% a year (that's nearly £9k a year!) ... and the equivalent for 40 years back! So, I guess I am just getting back what I have paid in, at todays rates - that's fair!
Old 20 June 2011, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
....£30k is nothing these days.............£55k a year pittance.....a low salary of £40,000........
Quality.....
Old 20 June 2011, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
How would you feel if you had to take a drop of £55k a year?

EXACTLY!! It's the very same feeling.

And, remember that I have paid into the Pension fund at the rate of 8% a year (that's nearly £9k a year!) ... and the equivalent for 40 years back! So, I guess I am just getting back what I have paid in, at todays rates - that's fair!
It's many, many times better than the statutory minimum.
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True, I don't deny that ......... it could be worse.

But, my point is, it's still bloody awful!
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Ok so you earn a fortune, have been offered a very generous redundancy package. We get it. You are great.

Old 20 June 2011, 05:54 PM
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I am I am
Old 20 June 2011, 05:55 PM
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Pete talk bollocks part 370.

I bet pete doesnt even earn 55k a year now, or he wouldn't be such a tight ****
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Why is it that people who struggle to make it in life think that rich people should spend all their money?

I can never figure it out ........... how do you think they got rich in the first place?

Never have I met a self-made wealthy person who wastes money!
Old 20 June 2011, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
£55k is a HUGE drop if you were earning double that!!

Let me help you get a feel for it ....

If you were on a low salary of £40,000 - and retired on £20,000, you have lost the buying power of £20,000.

If you were on £110,000 and retired on £55,000, you have lost the buying power of £55,000!!!

Can you see why it is actually a pittance? It is all a question of relatives.

At £55,000 a year I will be hurting far worse than someone on £20,000 pension as I have lost a far greater annual payment.
This doesn't make sense, if you don't waste money why do you need double your £55k a year to keep you in the lifestyle you're used too?

Why would your buying power make a difference if you haven't wasted your salary for X amount of years? Is your house that big that it will cost you a fortune in stair-lifts and walk in baths?

Originally Posted by pslewis
Why is it that people who struggle to make it in life think that rich people should spend all their money?

I can never figure it out ........... how do you think they got rich in the first place?

Never have I met a self-made wealthy person who wastes money!


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