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Primary health care. Africans have always had large numbers of children due to the high infant mortality rate. Since the Europeans introduced primary health care more of these children have been living. Hence the population explosion. And if trends continue this island of 60 million people will be sending aid to feed a continent of 2 billion by 2050.
Bear in mind the place is just a bit bigger physicaly also !
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Of course all of the rich countries including us should be doing our best to alleviate their problem and get them back on their feet.
The real necessity is not to hand over large lumps of cash to the state since it will get misappropriated of course as has happened so often in the past, but to organise it so that the aid goes directly to those who are suffering without the dishonest people getting their hands on it.
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The real necessity is not to hand over large lumps of cash to the state since it will get misappropriated of course as has happened so often in the past, but to organise it so that the aid goes directly to those who are suffering without the dishonest people getting their hands on it.
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06 July 2011, 02:17 PM
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Just some random points
1) It's not true to say that donated money is completely wasted. You only have to see programmes like Red Nose Day and see some of the smaller projects that have made a real difference. Drops in the ocean of misery but drops nonetheless
2) From my experience it's the small projects that are the most effective. The big stuff can and often does go so wrong. A few mobile phones, a health centre with a fridge that works, cold storage to keep food longer and some concrete roads to the local market can make all the difference.
3) Africa has a huge resource for the future as solar power technology becomes affordable
4) Go to Tescos and get some flowers for the g/f or some out of season vegetables - the likelihood is that they came from Kenya from farming technology passed by the West and now self-sustaining
5) And a couple of examples where the West, if it had a mind, could make a significant difference a) stop banks transferring excessive sums overseas to doubtful recipients and b) make the oil companies pay a per barrel tax to the local environment where they extract oil (e.g. Nigeria) and make sure it goes to that region.
6) And break all the human rights rules and send out the worst of UK's young criminals to to work out in Africa under local conditions and do some good for a change. You never know some humanity might rub off.
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1) It's not true to say that donated money is completely wasted. You only have to see programmes like Red Nose Day and see some of the smaller projects that have made a real difference. Drops in the ocean of misery but drops nonetheless
2) From my experience it's the small projects that are the most effective. The big stuff can and often does go so wrong. A few mobile phones, a health centre with a fridge that works, cold storage to keep food longer and some concrete roads to the local market can make all the difference.
3) Africa has a huge resource for the future as solar power technology becomes affordable
4) Go to Tescos and get some flowers for the g/f or some out of season vegetables - the likelihood is that they came from Kenya from farming technology passed by the West and now self-sustaining
5) And a couple of examples where the West, if it had a mind, could make a significant difference a) stop banks transferring excessive sums overseas to doubtful recipients and b) make the oil companies pay a per barrel tax to the local environment where they extract oil (e.g. Nigeria) and make sure it goes to that region.
6) And break all the human rights rules and send out the worst of UK's young criminals to to work out in Africa under local conditions and do some good for a change. You never know some humanity might rub off.
dl
06 July 2011, 03:49 PM
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Say you are on your last legs, seriously dehydrated and no food for a very long time! Have you seen what is happening to those poor people? How would you feel towards someone who was fit and well off and who ignored your problem?
Are you so selfish that you would just ignore their plight spouting specious excuses?
Is that really a true indication of your character?
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06 July 2011, 04:10 PM
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A good friend of mine and his family went to spend 4 mths working, training and so on in africa this year.
he said the amount of money raised in the UK, that the africans see is very small, in fact the africans are so corrupt, the charity workers themselves just cream it off as if its a wage:
ie. the african boss of the charity in Tanzania: they saw him about twice in 4 mths, swanning about in a brand new landcruser on charity money. he couldn't even be bother to speak to them
the second guy, or deputy: he had a brand new charity bought landrover. his job was to be their guide/chauffeur.
he ran on african or asian time (you choose) i.e fecking useless, couldn't even turn up for anything on time, or even on the right day.
as my friends were actually part running the charity, they eventually got uk approval to sack him. it took weeks to get the landy from him.
culmination of all this: the house my friends were staying in (with armed guards)
was attacked by armed bandits:
his family were put in seperate rooms. a young (adult- white english) girl was also there.
so you have 4 people, 4 rooms,
the guards systematically raped them.
he and his son were left alone: but he said can you imagine enduring that- face flat on the floor, at gun point for several hours.
everytime he twitched, tried to move, the butt of a machine gun, stuffed his head/face in.
they got out, local police can't trace anyone. they reckon the guards were in on it.
they're back at home, in pieces.
so personally, I couldn't fecking care. Africa is big enough to sort its own problems out. if it wants to have corrupt leaders and dictators, thats its choice.
he said the amount of money raised in the UK, that the africans see is very small, in fact the africans are so corrupt, the charity workers themselves just cream it off as if its a wage:
ie. the african boss of the charity in Tanzania: they saw him about twice in 4 mths, swanning about in a brand new landcruser on charity money. he couldn't even be bother to speak to them
the second guy, or deputy: he had a brand new charity bought landrover. his job was to be their guide/chauffeur.
he ran on african or asian time (you choose) i.e fecking useless, couldn't even turn up for anything on time, or even on the right day.
as my friends were actually part running the charity, they eventually got uk approval to sack him. it took weeks to get the landy from him.
culmination of all this: the house my friends were staying in (with armed guards)
was attacked by armed bandits:
his family were put in seperate rooms. a young (adult- white english) girl was also there.
so you have 4 people, 4 rooms,
the guards systematically raped them.
he and his son were left alone: but he said can you imagine enduring that- face flat on the floor, at gun point for several hours.
everytime he twitched, tried to move, the butt of a machine gun, stuffed his head/face in.
they got out, local police can't trace anyone. they reckon the guards were in on it.
they're back at home, in pieces.
so personally, I couldn't fecking care. Africa is big enough to sort its own problems out. if it wants to have corrupt leaders and dictators, thats its choice.
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sounds loaded but i get the point , friend of mine had similar experiences trying to set up a software company ( without the rape or guns ) , was expelled from the country ,Kenya i believe - all very male dominated
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Say you are on your last legs, seriously dehydrated and no food for a very long time! Have you seen what is happening to those poor people? How would you feel towards someone who was fit and well off and who ignored your problem?
Are you so selfish that you would just ignore their plight spouting specious excuses?
Is that really a true indication of your character?
Les
Are you so selfish that you would just ignore their plight spouting specious excuses?
Is that really a true indication of your character?
Les
Anyway I kind of agree with Oscar Wilde that we should not side with failure because we perpetuate it by doing so.
06 July 2011, 05:18 PM
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was attacked by armed bandits:
his family were put in seperate rooms. a young (adult- white english) girl was also there.
so you have 4 people, 4 rooms,
the guards systematically raped them.
he and his son were left alone: but he said can you imagine enduring that- face flat on the floor, at gun point for several hours.
everytime he twitched, tried to move, the butt of a machine gun, stuffed his head/face in.
they got out, local police can't trace anyone. they reckon the guards were in on it.
they're back at home, in pieces.
so personally, I couldn't fecking care. Africa is big enough to sort its own problems out. if it wants to have corrupt leaders and dictators, thats its choice.
06 July 2011, 05:25 PM
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Just some random points
1) It's not true to say that donated money is completely wasted. You only have to see programmes like Red Nose Day and see some of the smaller projects that have made a real difference. Drops in the ocean of misery but drops nonetheless
2) From my experience it's the small projects that are the most effective. The big stuff can and often does go so wrong. A few mobile phones, a health centre with a fridge that works, cold storage to keep food longer and some concrete roads to the local market can make all the difference.
3) Africa has a huge resource for the future as solar power technology becomes affordable
4) Go to Tescos and get some flowers for the g/f or some out of season vegetables - the likelihood is that they came from Kenya from farming technology passed by the West and now self-sustaining
5) And a couple of examples where the West, if it had a mind, could make a significant difference a) stop banks transferring excessive sums overseas to doubtful recipients and b) make the oil companies pay a per barrel tax to the local environment where they extract oil (e.g. Nigeria) and make sure it goes to that region.
6) And break all the human rights rules and send out the worst of UK's young criminals to to work out in Africa under local conditions and do some good for a change. You never know some humanity might rub off.
dl
1) It's not true to say that donated money is completely wasted. You only have to see programmes like Red Nose Day and see some of the smaller projects that have made a real difference. Drops in the ocean of misery but drops nonetheless
2) From my experience it's the small projects that are the most effective. The big stuff can and often does go so wrong. A few mobile phones, a health centre with a fridge that works, cold storage to keep food longer and some concrete roads to the local market can make all the difference.
3) Africa has a huge resource for the future as solar power technology becomes affordable
4) Go to Tescos and get some flowers for the g/f or some out of season vegetables - the likelihood is that they came from Kenya from farming technology passed by the West and now self-sustaining
5) And a couple of examples where the West, if it had a mind, could make a significant difference a) stop banks transferring excessive sums overseas to doubtful recipients and b) make the oil companies pay a per barrel tax to the local environment where they extract oil (e.g. Nigeria) and make sure it goes to that region.
6) And break all the human rights rules and send out the worst of UK's young criminals to to work out in Africa under local conditions and do some good for a change. You never know some humanity might rub off.
dl
06 July 2011, 07:08 PM
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That is necessary for an advanced economy, but Africa can't even get its agriculture right.
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The market is not demanding female participation in Africa....there is hardly any market (with the exception of say Kenya and RSA) and it has TONS of male labor to draw from anyway.
Besides it's 'cultural colonialism'. Do you not think western interference has caused enough harm???
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Th rest is how much they can and want to grow given the **** bits of land / lack of water theyre genarally allotted
There is a problem with the bloke being generally accepted as superior - just like here a hundered years ago
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Learn how what works , they do most of work as it is - they may benefit from western seeds ,
Th rest is how much they can and want to grow given the **** bits of land / lack of water theyre genarally allotted
There is a problem with the bloke being generally accepted as superior - just like here a hundered years ago
Th rest is how much they can and want to grow given the **** bits of land / lack of water theyre genarally allotted
There is a problem with the bloke being generally accepted as superior - just like here a hundered years ago
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Pie in the sky (no offense).
The market is not demanding female participation in Africa....there is hardly any market (with the exception of say Kenya and RSA) and it has TONS of male labor to draw from anyway.
Besides it's 'cultural colonialism'. Do you not think western interference has caused enough harm???
The market is not demanding female participation in Africa....there is hardly any market (with the exception of say Kenya and RSA) and it has TONS of male labor to draw from anyway.
Besides it's 'cultural colonialism'. Do you not think western interference has caused enough harm???