morpheus1870

What kind of price would I be looking at for say an sti 6 speed box?

daz1968

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About 2k if you do the labour yourself not a cheap conversion to undertake

Maz

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Hey up Andy. Sorry my mistake, the red line is at 8000 the same as your T20. The rev limiter comes in at 8250 which I once inadvertantly hit. I didn't even realise at the time I just felt a slight jerk (I felt like one afterwards too). When I stopped I checked the SECS data monitor to see a peak rev reading of 8250. I know both UK/JDM cars have their own relative merits but with the twin scroll there is honey all the way to the bottom of the jar.

wrx sti ppp

i would go for something like this...well, this actually!!! not that i am biased at all!

https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...pe-uk-ppp.html

andythejock01wrx

Yes I'm a obviously a honey fan too Maz!

Promise not to hit that limiter again! That bleepy warning is pretty handy given that the JDM is so darned free revving! Just like my old Prelude Vtec (except over twice the horses!).

Andy

ditchmyster

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Personally i'm a classic fan having had both, but if i were to get a newage there is only one to have.

JDM STI. the end.

And if the budget will stretch then it has to be a spec c.

Or a litchfield.

No one can really say any different, if they know what they are talking about.

gurdas

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If that was black I'd buy that right now.

dunx

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I'd suggest you talk to Andy at Scoobspares, he did LeeP's conversion, which usually consists of a new clutch, rear hubs, brakes and diff, plus a six speed box. I'd guess at £3K approx. for a non-Hawkeye gearbox.

HTH

dunx

stevie1982

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Have to disagree there mate. Owned many an impreza from uk std turbo up to s 500bhp classic including a type25 and although I loved the toys the jdm came with I for one am not a twinscroll fan, personally much prefer the punch of a single scroll unit. Horses for courses and all but I feel too many suggest the jdm having honey to the end when in fact it its personl choice and I ran out and bought one because of all that and was not as impressed as the hype had it.

Oh and flame suit on ........

To the op the jdm car is better spec'd but please test drive all three first, both the uk sti and the jdm and see which you prefer.

Maz

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It is very much a personal choice and I did state each car has it's own relative merits. Some people do prefer the nothing nothing bang delivery of the single scroll and the burble factor. However whilst you're waiting for the turbo to come in in a single scroller the twin scroller is up and away. Simply put it's a better engineering principle for moderate power levels. By being in the power band longer and more often it makes for (IMHO) a better drive. There is honey to the end because the engine delivers till the red line and doesn't become flaccid after say 6.5-7k revs.

CREWJ

I have to agree with Stevie. Although I'd prefer the twin scroll it is nice to have that thwack from no where.

ditchmyster

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Think you missed the first line of my reply bud

matth76

The major 2.5 issues relate to the 08 hatch onward and this is down to the completely new ecu and map used but does not apply to the hawkeye. Hawkeyes are solid reliable cars (not my words but those of specialists). They do have weak points but most of what you hear on the net will always be scaremongering and as said above you'll only ever hear of the bad issues which puts it heavily out of proportion. There are plenty of blown engines/failures amongst earlier models on equal numbers compared to the hawkeye. In terms of differences you can tune a 2.5 more easily (no replacement for displacement as they say ) but as said above it is a smoother drive, not unlike that of an M3 which is smooth and very deceptive but a tuned hawkeye STI will haul like a train. I have just an exhaust remap and my hawkeye STI is putting out 356bhp and 375lb.ft (this was recorded in 28 deg heat so could be even more). It pulls relentlessly from 2500rpm even at 70 in 6th. I think personally there is more burble with the 2.0 than 2.5. Both are very good cars. Try both if I were you. Good luck with what you go for.

wrx sti ppp

i am sure it would look great wrapped in matt black!

TonyBurns

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The engine issue has been with the 2.5's since they were introduced back in 2005, you should read the american sites, really scary!
The hawkeye STI's suffer the same issues as the hatches (ringland and HG issues), its common to the engine and not just to the model year.
Also there is an outstanding issue with the 2.5 engine when it flex's, any of the speciallists will tell you that you need to pin the block to strengthen it, it also requires decent liners due to the issue of flex in the engine (hence why you have to pin them, they basically took far too much material out of the engine for it to be viable for high power in standard form, something the 2/2.2 ltr engines dont suffer from )
The new 2.5ltr should be a better unit, hopefully it will be a larger unit than the unit that is on its way out (its by far the worst unit Subaru have ever built the twin scroll unit is by far the best )

Tony

daz1968

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Think us jdm owners are a little biased on this one but we dont want everyone getting one there isn't enough to go round,

andythejock01wrx

I'm afraid that's simply not true. Hawkeyes have less issues than Hatches, but it's still a problem. They suffer from head gasket failures and piston ringland failures. This from several mappers and engine builders thatI've spoken to in the past.

Mind, despite that, I almost bought a UK Hawk Sti as they are great cars as you describe in your post.

matth76

Thought I would get a few comments . I agree with you about what you've said about the mechanical points of the lump and how it is bored out too much in my opinion too. I'm only reciting what mappers and specialists have said though that the hawkeye is reliable if mapped correctly and looked after. But I was also told (the sticky thread supports this) the 08 onward cars have a much higher/noticable failure rate due to their all new ecu and map. Every car has weak points though. Supposed reliable quality cars have horrendous issues. Audi RS4 / R8, all the way down to audi S3 (direct injection engines) and prolific carbon build up issues every 10k miles. And the E46 M3 big end and bearing engine related failures, horrendous reliability issues with the BMW 335i, to name a few quality makes with horrendous stories.

andythejock01wrx

I don't think we're so far apart. We agree the 08s have more frequent problems than the 06/07s. Howver, the 06/07s do seem to have more problems than the cars that preceded them.

Of course a forged UK Hawk is an entirely different story...

Toffee

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For me it has to be JDM, I am on my 2nd one its not just the twin scroll that is better, all other components are of a higher spec, if you only pootle about it may not matter as much?

If you can find/afford the Spec C

Good luck,
Lee.

beastgtir

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my mate had a 2.5 with 90k, drove like a dream.
although it was rather laggy day to day so he sold it as he kept his jdm version 6 import.

WhiteWagonMan

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Do some research and make some phone calls then go get a JDM version,much better car out of the box without a doubt.better close ratio gearbox,better suspension,stronger engine internals on later model cars,better spec,twin avcs on later cars,big port heads,better cams,lighter car,the list of differences is endless if you check properly.