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Hey up Andy. Sorry my mistake, the red line is at 8000 the same as your T20. The rev limiter comes in at 8250 which I once inadvertantly hit. I didn't even realise at the time I just felt a slight jerk (I felt like one afterwards too). When I stopped I checked the SECS data monitor to see a peak rev reading of 8250. I know both UK/JDM cars have their own relative merits but with the twin scroll there is honey all the way to the bottom of the jar.
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Thanks for the responses, money isn't really an issue however the inconvenience of something going back is a concern. I did really love the STi I had an actually like the look over the hawkeye.
Also, I had one with PPP, is it worth holding out for a PPP or just get a standard one and get RaceDynamix to remap it?
Also, I had one with PPP, is it worth holding out for a PPP or just get a standard one and get RaceDynamix to remap it?
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...pe-uk-ppp.html
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Hey up Andy. Sorry my mistake, the red line is at 8000 the same as your T20. The rev limiter comes in at 8250 which I once inadvertantly hit. I didn't even realise at the time I just felt a slight jerk (I felt like one afterwards too). When I stopped I checked the SECS data monitor to see a peak rev reading of 8250. I know both UK/JDM cars have their own relative merits but with the twin scroll there is honey all the way to the bottom of the jar.
Promise not to hit that limiter again! That bleepy warning is pretty handy given that the JDM is so darned free revving! Just like my old Prelude Vtec (except over twice the horses!).
Andy
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Personally i'm a classic fan having had both, but if i were to get a newage there is only one to have.
JDM STI. the end.
And if the budget will stretch then it has to be a spec c.
Or a litchfield.
No one can really say any different, if they know what they are talking about.
JDM STI. the end.
And if the budget will stretch then it has to be a spec c.
Or a litchfield.
No one can really say any different, if they know what they are talking about.
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i would go for something like this...well, this actually!!! not that i am biased at all!
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...pe-uk-ppp.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...pe-uk-ppp.html
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Personally i'm a classic fan having had both, but if i were to get a newage there is only one to have.
JDM STI. the end.
And if the budget will stretch then it has to be a spec c.
Or a litchfield.
No one can really say any different, if they know what they are talking about.
JDM STI. the end.
And if the budget will stretch then it has to be a spec c.
Or a litchfield.
No one can really say any different, if they know what they are talking about.
Oh and flame suit on ........
To the op the jdm car is better spec'd but please test drive all three first, both the uk sti and the jdm and see which you prefer.
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Have to disagree there mate. Owned many an impreza from uk std turbo up to s 500bhp classic including a type25 and although I loved the toys the jdm came with I for one am not a twinscroll fan, personally much prefer the punch of a single scroll unit. Horses for courses and all but I feel too many suggest the jdm having honey to the end when in fact it its personl choice and I ran out and bought one because of all that and was not as impressed as the hype had it.
Oh and flame suit on ........
To the op the jdm car is better spec'd but please test drive all three first, both the uk sti and the jdm and see which you prefer.
Oh and flame suit on ........
To the op the jdm car is better spec'd but please test drive all three first, both the uk sti and the jdm and see which you prefer.
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Have to disagree there mate. Owned many an impreza from uk std turbo up to s 500bhp classic including a type25 and although I loved the toys the jdm came with I for one am not a twinscroll fan, personally much prefer the punch of a single scroll unit. Horses for courses and all but I feel too many suggest the jdm having honey to the end when in fact it its personl choice and I ran out and bought one because of all that and was not as impressed as the hype had it.
Oh and flame suit on ........
To the op the jdm car is better spec'd but please test drive all three first, both the uk sti and the jdm and see which you prefer.
Oh and flame suit on ........
To the op the jdm car is better spec'd but please test drive all three first, both the uk sti and the jdm and see which you prefer.
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The major 2.5 issues relate to the 08 hatch onward and this is down to the completely new ecu and map used but does not apply to the hawkeye. Hawkeyes are solid reliable cars (not my words but those of specialists). They do have weak points but most of what you hear on the net will always be scaremongering and as said above you'll only ever hear of the bad issues which puts it heavily out of proportion. There are plenty of blown engines/failures amongst earlier models on equal numbers compared to the hawkeye. In terms of differences you can tune a 2.5 more easily (no replacement for displacement as they say ) but as said above it is a smoother drive, not unlike that of an M3 which is smooth and very deceptive but a tuned hawkeye STI will haul like a train. I have just an exhaust remap and my hawkeye STI is putting out 356bhp and 375lb.ft (this was recorded in 28 deg heat so could be even more). It pulls relentlessly from 2500rpm even at 70 in 6th. I think personally there is more burble with the 2.0 than 2.5. Both are very good cars. Try both if I were you. Good luck with what you go for.
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The major 2.5 issues relate to the 08 hatch onward and this is down to the completely new ecu and map used but does not apply to the hawkeye. Hawkeyes are solid reliable cars (not my words but those of specialists). They do have weak points but most of what you hear on the net will always be scaremongering and as said above you'll only ever hear of the bad issues which puts it heavily out of proportion. There are plenty of blown engines/failures amongst earlier models on equal numbers compared to the hawkeye. In terms of differences you can tune a 2.5 more easily (no replacement for displacement as they say ) but as said above it is a smoother drive, not unlike that of an M3 which is smooth and very deceptive but a tuned hawkeye STI will haul like a train. I have just an exhaust remap and my hawkeye STI is putting out 356bhp and 375lb.ft. It pulls relentlessly even at 70 in 6th. I think personally there is more burble with the 2.0 than 2.5. Both are very good cars. Try both if I were you. Good luck with what you go for.
The hawkeye STI's suffer the same issues as the hatches (ringland and HG issues), its common to the engine and not just to the model year.
Also there is an outstanding issue with the 2.5 engine when it flex's, any of the speciallists will tell you that you need to pin the block to strengthen it, it also requires decent liners due to the issue of flex in the engine (hence why you have to pin them, they basically took far too much material out of the engine for it to be viable for high power in standard form, something the 2/2.2 ltr engines dont suffer from )
The new 2.5ltr should be a better unit, hopefully it will be a larger unit than the unit that is on its way out (its by far the worst unit Subaru have ever built the twin scroll unit is by far the best )
Tony
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The major 2.5 issues relate to the 08 hatch onward and this is down to the completely new ecu and map used but does not apply to the hawkeye. Hawkeyes are solid reliable cars (not my words but those of specialists). They do have weak points but most of what you hear on the net will always be scaremongering and as said above you'll only ever hear of the bad issues which puts it heavily out of proportion. There are plenty of blown engines/failures amongst earlier models on equal numbers compared to the hawkeye.
Mind, despite that, I almost bought a UK Hawk Sti as they are great cars as you describe in your post.
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The engine issue has been with the 2.5's since they were introduced back in 2005, you should read the american sites, really scary!
The hawkeye STI's suffer the same issues as the hatches (ringland and HG issues), its common to the engine and not just to the model year.
Also there is an outstanding issue with the 2.5 engine when it flex's, any of the speciallists will tell you that you need to pin the block to strengthen it, it also requires decent liners due to the issue of flex in the engine (hence why you have to pin them, they basically took far too much material out of the engine for it to be viable for high power in standard form, something the 2/2.2 ltr engines dont suffer from )
The new 2.5ltr should be a better unit, hopefully it will be a larger unit than the unit that is on its way out (its by far the worst unit Subaru have ever built the twin scroll unit is by far the best )
Tony
The hawkeye STI's suffer the same issues as the hatches (ringland and HG issues), its common to the engine and not just to the model year.
Also there is an outstanding issue with the 2.5 engine when it flex's, any of the speciallists will tell you that you need to pin the block to strengthen it, it also requires decent liners due to the issue of flex in the engine (hence why you have to pin them, they basically took far too much material out of the engine for it to be viable for high power in standard form, something the 2/2.2 ltr engines dont suffer from )
The new 2.5ltr should be a better unit, hopefully it will be a larger unit than the unit that is on its way out (its by far the worst unit Subaru have ever built the twin scroll unit is by far the best )
Tony
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Thought I would get a few comments . I agree with you about what you've said about the mechanical points of the lump and how it is bored out too much in my opinion too. I'm only reciting what mappers and specialists have said though that the hawkeye is reliable if mapped correctly and looked after. But I was also told (the sticky thread supports this) the 08 onward cars have a much higher/noticable failure rate due to their all new ecu and map. Every car has weak points though. Supposed reliable quality cars have horrendous issues. Audi RS4 / R8, all the way down to audi S3 (direct injection engines) and prolific carbon build up issues every 10k miles. And the E46 M3 big end and bearing engine related failures, horrendous reliability issues with the BMW 335i, to name a few quality makes with horrendous stories.
Of course a forged UK Hawk is an entirely different story...
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For me it has to be JDM, I am on my 2nd one its not just the twin scroll that is better, all other components are of a higher spec, if you only pootle about it may not matter as much?
If you can find/afford the Spec C
Good luck,
Lee.
If you can find/afford the Spec C
Good luck,
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Do some research and make some phone calls then go get a JDM version,much better car out of the box without a doubt.better close ratio gearbox,better suspension,stronger engine internals on later model cars,better spec,twin avcs on later cars,big port heads,better cams,lighter car,the list of differences is endless if you check properly.
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