Oslo bomb blast
25 July 2011, 02:29 PM
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Sure it's mental from the POV of reason. I've tried to understand say how people got sucked into say the loony side of National Socialism. I really can't.
Sometimes I think this sort of craziness is like political ideology made by an artist. Like it's created from nothing and just exists on its own term which you could call 'brave' if you were into it....like a kind of leap of faith.
Sometimes I think this sort of craziness is like political ideology made by an artist. Like it's created from nothing and just exists on its own term which you could call 'brave' if you were into it....like a kind of leap of faith.
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25 July 2011, 06:12 PM
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Anyway for sure your average **** was not a psycho.
Anders Behring Breivik: Terrorist or just Murderer
25 July 2011, 07:54 PM
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Most terrorists either try very hard not to get caught (so they can go back and do it all over again), or intentionally get themselves killed in the act (for 'martyrdom' and/or to make sure they won't get caught), but there aren't many rules that have no exceptions.
25 July 2011, 08:05 PM
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Well I think my point is that Terrorism is a type of political violence, but if you just picked up a gun - like say Derek Bird - and went and shot a load of people it would just make you a murderer.
I guess my point is that I have read a lot of opinion saying that Anders Breiviks manifesto etc are irrelevant and should not be listened to.
But when we had the IRA blowing things up it was not deemed irrelevant that they were politically motivated from an Irish Nationalist POV.
And when Islamist terrorists do stuff we hear people going on about 'tackling the causes of terrorism', i.e Israel and Iraq/Afghanistan etc.
I guess my point is that I have read a lot of opinion saying that Anders Breiviks manifesto etc are irrelevant and should not be listened to.
But when we had the IRA blowing things up it was not deemed irrelevant that they were politically motivated from an Irish Nationalist POV.
And when Islamist terrorists do stuff we hear people going on about 'tackling the causes of terrorism', i.e Israel and Iraq/Afghanistan etc.
25 July 2011, 08:14 PM
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25 July 2011, 08:37 PM
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I have to say he is a gun totting nutter, people like him have an idea that they are doing this for some sort of cause. In reallity he is a nutter who cant tell wrong from right.
25 July 2011, 08:48 PM
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I'd like to hear their opinion on this. People like F1 for example.
25 July 2011, 08:57 PM
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Anders wasn't oppressed and the Palestinian oppression does not excuse murder and tyranny under any pretext. Hitler was politically motivated yet nobody in the right mind would give credence to his skewed ideology. Is this another platitude Tony?
25 July 2011, 09:04 PM
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Obviously just a psychopath, nobody should take any notice of any political statement he was making as you cant really respect the views of someone who thinks murdering all those people was a good idea.
25 July 2011, 09:21 PM
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One thing's for sure, he set back any serious consideration of the views he promoted as soon as he started shooting already wounded teenaged girls in the head to ensure he'd done a "good job".
25 July 2011, 09:48 PM
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First, Breivik isn't a ****, neo or otherwise (from my reading), so I think your final point is probably moot. Second, futurism and romanticism is probably beyond the scope of this forum, but I take your point; however, to my eyes Breivik's ideas are anachronistic and as such allude to my aforementioned points - they lack pragmatism and their capacity to be mobilised given contemporary social norms. As I've stated, I get the philosophy and the intellectual position, but I cannot make the leap towards his notion that their validity can be perpetuated via mass-murder - it's simply irrational. If one strips the emotion out of it, one's still left incredulous as to how the means can possibly support the ends - it remains, no matter from which source he's derived his inspiration, self-defeating. I remain baffled - and if that continues, I can only assume that he's a fcukin' functioning nut-job whose only legacy will be to have stripped Norway of its enviably free society. I guess history will be the judge.
25 July 2011, 09:49 PM
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The most pointless threads contain the topic, then the word "discuss".
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Pointless thread, giving the offender and the OP more attention than they deserve.
Post ***** generated drivel.
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Pointless thread, giving the offender and the OP more attention than they deserve.
Post ***** generated drivel.
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25 July 2011, 09:57 PM
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First, Breivik isn't a ****, neo or otherwise (from my reading), so I think your final point is probably moot. Second, futurism and romanticism is probably beyond the scope of this forum, but I take your point; however, to my eyes Breivik's ideas are anachronistic and as such allude to my aforementioned points - they lack pragmatism and their capacity to be mobilised given contemporary social norms. As I've stated, I get the philosophy and the intellectual position, but I cannot make the leap towards his notion that their validity can be perpetuated via mass-murder - it's simply irrational. If one strips the emotion out of it, one's still left incredulous as to how the means can possibly support the ends - it remains, no matter from which source he's derived his inspiration, self-defeating. I remain baffled - and if that continues, I can only assume that he's a fcukin' functioning nut-job whose only legacy will be to have stripped Norway of its enviably free society. I guess history will be the judge.
With respect James do you think you analyze things a little too deeply sometimes.
25 July 2011, 09:59 PM
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25 July 2011, 10:18 PM
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25 July 2011, 10:24 PM
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Look up the definition of platitude.
25 July 2011, 10:25 PM
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25 July 2011, 10:30 PM
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