jef

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thanks for correcting my grammer/spelling

i thought it was pretty clear lol

ditchmyster

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Sorry but he's talking cr@p, just another ex junkie saying it's a desease.

It's a lifestyle choice, these so called addicts are just selfish plain and simple.

And to suggest it's a desease is rubbish, if a person does not have the means to aquire thier drug of choice or any other then hey presto they are cured, as soon as they are in an environment where such substances are available then they choose or not to use them.

This my pain is so great i need to escape reality bollax is just a easy way out for those that don't want to man or woman up and face the real world like most of us have to.

Life is difficult and full of challenges which is what it's all about.

Those that try to kop out by suggesting that they have an illness are just weak.

The Zohan

+1
That is pretty much bang on the money.

J4CKO

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I kind of agree that Addiction isn't a disease, I think to call it as such is, like a lot of things in our society obviating the individual with any responsibility for their actions as a lot of Diseases just strike without warning in an indiscriminate nature, funny how dying from an illegal drug overdose only kills junkies and drinking vast amounts causes liver failure in alcoholics, neither striking down clean living teetotallers, now I am not perfect and something will eventually get me but I realise whatever choice I make now will probably have a part in how long I live, I am not blaming anyone else for liking a few beers and a curry.

Nobody put that joint in her mouth, nobody made her swig that Whisky, nobody put that needle in her veins, I am sure a lot of people made it easier for her to do these things and to an extent they have to look at their own conscience but the ultimate responsibility is with the individual, she basically (pending the autopsy) killed herself at 27 with drink, drugs and her inability to say no, I think we tend to canonize people who have died and are too quick to gloss over their failings in life, death only partially should get you off the hook, to gloss over what she did to herself does not help others who may be prone to such behaviour, there is a tendency to make it almost sound like some romantic, poetic and artistic ideal to suffer and die for ones art, nothing to do with the art and all to do with the gear and the booze that comes with the territory, surely after so many lessons through rock and roll history we don't need any more.

So it is sad that a young woman has died, but no more sad than anyone else dying at 27, in fact less so as she had a choice, or at least some degree control over her "condition" where a lot of people don't.

Jamie

You were doing so well until you mentioned beer and curry.

jef

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while i wouldnt say addictaion isnt an illness as such

but your attitude is fcking laughable tbh mate.

easy for you to say, how about 3rd generation families of unemployment. drug abuse all around you, no job, nothing to look forward to?

people loosing loved ones, splitting up, job loss, sexual abuse, rape ect ect

its not an excuse, but its reason for some to escape a very bleak future. which you obviously dont have.

unfortunatley every person may not be a s strong willed as you clearly are - but hey, world would be a boring place if everyone was the same

ive had first hand experience of my ex having severe drug problems, ruining my kids lifes as a seperated dad had to fight against my zero rights to try and see my child - even when she gave them up for a year!! i should hate junkies more than alot.

but its an affliction for some

stilover

It's not. She chose to take Heroin. She chose to drink all day, every day. That is not a disease. The chemicals inside Heroin and Alchohol made her dependant on them. Dependant because she didn't have the will power to say no.

Cancer is a disease. You don't chose to have Cancer. You can not chose to stop having Cancer.

Heroin (not a disease)
Cancer (Disease).

little-ginge

thought it would have been sooner than this tbh, given her history. Waste of a talent, and waste of a life. another one joins the '27 club'

Maz

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Hallo LG!

Twenty seven does seem to be a poisoned chalice for some musicians.

Ellie*

Heroin (not a disease)
Addiction (illness)

You dont choose to be addicted. You dont chose to be dependent on something that will inevitably kill you.

A person doesnt have that first drink with the intention of becoming an alcoholic.

Yeah she chose to take drugs, but so have a lot of people (most people?) not everyone became 'junkie scum'. Why is that? Because they didnt succumb to addiction like unfortunately, some people do.

CrisPDuk

From the phrase 'Live Fast, Die Young, and Leave a Good Looking Corpse'.

Hence the Meatloaf reference

markjmd

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The point is, with her money and with what's known about drugs and addiction today (that wasn't known about them 40 or 50 years ago when Joplin, Morrison, Hendrix and co were popping their clogs), it's really quite difficult to draw any conclusion from the fact that she carried on using as long as she did other than she wanted to carry on using.

The only real question is how much the people around her played a part in her not making any effort to straighten out. As others have already said, some of her 'friends' and family probably need to take a very serious look in the mirror.

Ellie*

yeah, true.

Lisawrx

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I think this is probably quite right.

To be honest, I am no going to lose sleep over this, although it is a sad waste of a life, especially considering the opportunities she has had within it. However, whilst I might not mourn her passing, I don't (like some) feel the need to celebrate her death either.

David Lock

So can we conclude that if you had been unfortunate enough to have become an addict you could just stop taking the drug/s if you decided you wanted to stop?

dl

markjmd

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With a bank balance as healthy as AW's, and the same ease of access to private health care, counselling and so on that her fame would certainly have brought, yes, I'd find it a damn sight easier to get off them if I really wanted to than your average no-name doley on a council estate. On the other hand, if I had all those advantages but was too heavily surrounded by self-serving idiots who did nothing to encourage me to make use of them (or even positively discouraged me from doing so), I might still have ended up like her, on a morgue slab before my 30th birthday.

Let's not forget though that all of this is conjecture up to a point - we still don't know for sure what AW died of, even if the likely cause is fairly obvious.

David Lock

M, I think it is a lot, lot harder than you are suggesting. What's the success rate for rehab clinics? It is staggeringly low I think and at least some of those going to the programme must have had a genuine wish to kick the addiction.

But I am not really qualified to comment as I have never been an addict (at least to non-tobacco products). dl

Leslie

She had just been seen by a doctor who said as far as he was concerned that she was well.

The coppers said that no drugs or equipment were present in her accomodation.

That is why they said that no presumptions should be made about the cause of her death.

They still don't know after a post mortem and are waiting for the results of toxicology investigations.

Does not sound like an overdose to me!

Les

Jamie

I think she puked in her afternoon sleep?

Jamie

Btw her doctor was telling porkie pies about her being clean!

Funkii Munkii

Guessing or a qualified opinion ?

TelBoy

In other news, Rupert Murdoch says he's been deeply touched by messages left on Amy's phone

chocolate_o_brian

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Leslie

Where did you get that from?

Les

J4CKO

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Lol

stilover

The second you spike your vein with heroin, is the day you decide that this may kill you, but what the hell. others take it and they're alright

Alcohol is different to heroin. Almost everybody drinks Alcohol. The difference is most people drink it sociably. Again, choosing to wake up on a morning and go to the pub, is asking to become Dependant on it.

She chose her path............. **** her. One less Junkie in the world.

astraboy

Well its Tuesday, they'll be waking up from the weekend any minute. Having said that, her dad probably had the Sunday exclusives sewn up within hours of her being found.
Astraboy.

Jamie

My Hp sauce said Amy wineshouse was riddled with Smack,Her DOCTOR just covered up the death as yeah she is dead.Pm will say exactly what she was on.


sad news is she getting buried today ?

I hope she left a will to her parents and not the cat!

Leslie

I am left wondering how you got that inside information.

It was reported that she visited a doctor the day before and he said at the time that she was well. This was of course before she died. The post mortem has not been able to state a reason for her death so far but they are awaiting the results of toxicology tests as I said before.

The police say there were not drugs in her accomodation.

What is the special evidence that you must have to back up your statements?

Les

Funkii Munkii

Suck out Les