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26 July 2011, 03:34 PM
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The second you spike your vein with heroin, is the day you decide that this may kill you, but what the hell. others take it and they're alright 
Alcohol is different to heroin. Almost everybody drinks Alcohol. The difference is most people drink it sociably. Again, choosing to wake up on a morning and go to the pub, is asking to become Dependant on it.
She chose her path............. **** her. One less Junkie in the world.
Alcohol is different to heroin. Almost everybody drinks Alcohol. The difference is most people drink it sociably. Again, choosing to wake up on a morning and go to the pub, is asking to become Dependant on it.
She chose her path............. **** her. One less Junkie in the world.
alcohol costs the nhs millions and millions of pounds every year.
causes agression/stupidity, accidents/voilence/vandalism, ect many many deaths/diseases.
wastes polices resources along with the infinite number of other social problems.
but it brings the goverment lots of money, so its alright lol - the legality of drugs like alcohol is through tradition and social acceptance - its got fck all to do with how bad it is for you or addictive. thats the sole reason its still around.
problem is people dont veiw alcohol as a drug which it is, or as dangerous as it actuaully is , and thats usually because "everyones elses drinks" so it must be ok
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26 July 2011, 06:08 PM
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while i wouldnt say addictaion isnt an illness as such
but your attitude is fcking laughable tbh mate.
easy for you to say, how about 3rd generation families of unemployment. drug abuse all around you, no job, nothing to look forward to?
people loosing loved ones, splitting up, job loss, sexual abuse, rape ect ect
its not an excuse, but its reason for some to escape a very bleak future. which you obviously dont have.
unfortunatley every person may not be a s strong willed as you clearly are - but hey, world would be a boring place if everyone was the same
ive had first hand experience of my ex having severe drug problems, ruining my kids lifes as a seperated dad had to fight against my zero rights to try and see my child - even when she gave them up for a year!! i should hate junkies more than alot.
but its an affliction for some
but your attitude is fcking laughable tbh mate.
easy for you to say, how about 3rd generation families of unemployment. drug abuse all around you, no job, nothing to look forward to?
people loosing loved ones, splitting up, job loss, sexual abuse, rape ect ect
its not an excuse, but its reason for some to escape a very bleak future. which you obviously dont have.
unfortunatley every person may not be a s strong willed as you clearly are - but hey, world would be a boring place if everyone was the same
ive had first hand experience of my ex having severe drug problems, ruining my kids lifes as a seperated dad had to fight against my zero rights to try and see my child - even when she gave them up for a year!! i should hate junkies more than alot.
but its an affliction for some
You have no idea about who i am and what i have seen first hand.
But just as a little taster FYI as they say, i grew up on a council estate and all i will say is that there is not much that i have not seen," First hand" as well as having been through a very similar situation to the one you described as your own.
So all i will say further is please don't say my attitude is laughable.
And i would suggest that until you have walked twelve moons in my shoes that you don't judge me or dismiss my opinions.
Iv'e also travelled to some of the most deprived locations on the planet and i can tell you for a Fact that people who grow up on council estates in england live in the lap of luxury compared to some of the places i have been.
26 July 2011, 10:20 PM
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Hey Maz! Long time no see!
It does, doesnt it?
It was on a news report last night something along the lines of that she didnt want any of the fame or fortune, she just wanted to be able to sing her songs in a pub, but the world wouldnt let her..!
She chose to record albums, take the cheques etc, and unfortunately for one reason or another wasnt able to handle the world that came with it, like so many others
26 July 2011, 10:36 PM
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First of all you need to wind your neck in as they say.
You have no idea about who i am and what i have seen first hand.
But just as a little taster FYI as they say, i grew up on a council estate and all i will say is that there is not much that i have not seen," First hand" as well as having been through a very similar situation to the one you described as your own.
So all i will say further is please don't say my attitude is laughable.
And i would suggest that until you have walked twelve moons in my shoes that you don't judge me or dismiss my opinions.
Iv'e also travelled to some of the most deprived locations on the planet and i can tell you for a Fact that people who grow up on council estates in england live in the lap of luxury compared to some of the places i have been.
You have no idea about who i am and what i have seen first hand.
But just as a little taster FYI as they say, i grew up on a council estate and all i will say is that there is not much that i have not seen," First hand" as well as having been through a very similar situation to the one you described as your own.
So all i will say further is please don't say my attitude is laughable.
And i would suggest that until you have walked twelve moons in my shoes that you don't judge me or dismiss my opinions.
Iv'e also travelled to some of the most deprived locations on the planet and i can tell you for a Fact that people who grow up on council estates in england live in the lap of luxury compared to some of the places i have been.
im entilted to say what i want whenever i want
and to me your post was completely laughable, so im entilted to laugh at it.
im not having an internet argument - but you obv have a different veiwpoint from me, and what youve seen and experienced hasnt made as much an impact on you as it has me.
i can see the through the initial face of junkies and understand in some cases where the problems come from - so i dont just have such a dismal veiw of people who i beleive have been raised in a set of circumstances not as privaleged as me, and most others.
thats all
26 July 2011, 11:49 PM
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I've worked with recovering "junkies" whilst a team leader with The Prince's Trust and also have friends who've gone down that route and have come back out the other side - one's now a successful musician, DJ and producer and volunteers his spare time to help young people who've made the same mistakes as he did. That people on here would wish them dead is saddening.
27 July 2011, 01:16 AM
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lol please dont take offence to any of my posts mate - i shouldve possibly added some smilies in there to lighten my point.
im entilted to say what i want whenever i want
and to me your post was completely laughable, so im entilted to laugh at it.
im not having an internet argument - but you obv have a different veiwpoint from me, and what youve seen and experienced hasnt made as much an impact on you as it has me.
i can see the through the initial face of junkies and understand in some cases where the problems come from - so i dont just have such a dismal veiw of people who i beleive have been raised in a set of circumstances not as privaleged as me, and most others.
thats all
im entilted to say what i want whenever i want
and to me your post was completely laughable, so im entilted to laugh at it.
im not having an internet argument - but you obv have a different veiwpoint from me, and what youve seen and experienced hasnt made as much an impact on you as it has me.
i can see the through the initial face of junkies and understand in some cases where the problems come from - so i dont just have such a dismal veiw of people who i beleive have been raised in a set of circumstances not as privaleged as me, and most others.
thats all
Circumstances are something we all face, good and bad.
Taking drugs is a choice, plain and simple.
Bad things happen to us all, thats life.
The difference between a junkie and a none junkie, the junkie chooses not to face reality and take responsibility, as it's a lot easier to wake up in the morning and take the drug than it is to not take the drug.
Most people when given a choice will take the path of least resistance, it has nothing to do with upbringing, as if that were the case then there would be no rich privalliged addicts, but the world is full of people from good stable backgrounds that are on one drug or another.
And one would hardly say AW was from an underprivalliged background.
I refer you back to my original "laughable" statement that it IS a lifestyle choice.
And not as you put it an affliction.
Oh and as alluded to in my previous post you really should stop making assumptions about people that you don't know.
My life experience has affected me very deeply, it's how i became the well rounded right thinking individual i am today and i would not change a moment of it, for all the drugs in the world.
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27 July 2011, 08:15 AM
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Front page of The Sun this morning plus a further four entire pages covering the funeral.
Unbelievable. Is this really the most important thing right now in a Sun reader's world??
Unbelievable. Is this really the most important thing right now in a Sun reader's world??
27 July 2011, 08:28 AM
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i think its a bit of a joke that a drug user is all over the papers front page and we have proper heros from the UK fighting for something that had nothing to do with the UK untill the U.S started something!! people have choices you either learn to say no to drugs or you suffer in peace!! im not being funny but its easy for people to get addicted and see the effects that it has via the internet and if people want to ruin their lives because of drug abuse then why the hell should we all be like "oh oh its such a shame" she was the person that took the drug she chose to get wasted so why should it always be in our face??
theres a lot more going on in this poxy "britan" then reading about some idiot that had to take drugs and drink too much!! i think im a lot more worried about being blown up on my way to work on the underground and job security
theres a lot more going on in this poxy "britan" then reading about some idiot that had to take drugs and drink too much!! i think im a lot more worried about being blown up on my way to work on the underground and job security
27 July 2011, 08:33 AM
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27 July 2011, 09:08 AM
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I'm not having an argument either, it's a disscussion.
Circumstances are something we all face, good and bad.
Taking drugs is a choice, plain and simple.
Bad things happen to us all, thats life.
The difference between a junkie and a none junkie, the junkie chooses not to face reality and take responsibility, as it's a lot easier to wake up in the morning and take the drug than it is to not take the drug.
Most people when given a choice will take the path of least resistance, it has nothing to do with upbringing, as if that were the case then there would be no rich privalliged addicts, but the world is full of people from good stable backgrounds that are on one drug or another.
And one would hardly say AW was from an underprivalliged background.
I refer you back to my original "laughable" statement that it IS a lifestyle choice.
And not as you put it an affliction.
Oh and as alluded to in my previous post you really should stop making assumptions about people that you don't know.
My life experience has affected me very deeply, it's how i became the well rounded right thinking individual i am today and i would not change a moment of it, for all the drugs in the world.
Circumstances are something we all face, good and bad.
Taking drugs is a choice, plain and simple.
Bad things happen to us all, thats life.
The difference between a junkie and a none junkie, the junkie chooses not to face reality and take responsibility, as it's a lot easier to wake up in the morning and take the drug than it is to not take the drug.
Most people when given a choice will take the path of least resistance, it has nothing to do with upbringing, as if that were the case then there would be no rich privalliged addicts, but the world is full of people from good stable backgrounds that are on one drug or another.
And one would hardly say AW was from an underprivalliged background.
I refer you back to my original "laughable" statement that it IS a lifestyle choice.
And not as you put it an affliction.
Oh and as alluded to in my previous post you really should stop making assumptions about people that you don't know.
My life experience has affected me very deeply, it's how i became the well rounded right thinking individual i am today and i would not change a moment of it, for all the drugs in the world.
ill still consider your attitude to this laughable, niave and a bit sad really, and you can do the same about mine. its more about your sweeping generalisations than anything else, you fail to take individuals, as being just that - for you its just so black and white / clear cut. unfortunatley there is a whole lot of grey in the middle that you dont seem to see or acknowledge. its your veiw to point to see many thousands of people as being all exactly the same and thats fine, - its just not mine
no matter what you post mate, i can make up my own veiws. as can you
makes no real difference to me.
and seen as we are not going to agree or influece each other - may aswell just leave it at that.
cheers
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27 July 2011, 09:22 AM
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I'm not having an argument either, it's a disscussion.
Circumstances are something we all face, good and bad.
Taking drugs is a choice, plain and simple.
Bad things happen to us all, thats life.
The difference between a junkie and a none junkie, the junkie chooses not to face reality and take responsibility, as it's a lot easier to wake up in the morning and take the drug than it is to not take the drug.
Most people when given a choice will take the path of least resistance, it has nothing to do with upbringing, as if that were the case then there would be no rich privalliged addicts, but the world is full of people from good stable backgrounds that are on one drug or another.
Circumstances are something we all face, good and bad.
Taking drugs is a choice, plain and simple.
Bad things happen to us all, thats life.
The difference between a junkie and a none junkie, the junkie chooses not to face reality and take responsibility, as it's a lot easier to wake up in the morning and take the drug than it is to not take the drug.
Most people when given a choice will take the path of least resistance, it has nothing to do with upbringing, as if that were the case then there would be no rich privalliged addicts, but the world is full of people from good stable backgrounds that are on one drug or another.
If only life was that black and white and that simple. For some "junkies" I expect you may be right, but to generalise and make an assumption that that applies to them all I disagree with.
To understand someone's situation you need to have walked in their shoes for their lifetime - which is not possible so we try to apply our life experiences to what we think they may have gone through - often making wrong assumptions.
My 2p worth
27 July 2011, 10:57 AM
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Do people on here actually read what is written, then think about it before they reply or just scan and jump to conclusions 
The latter for some me thinks.
I make no assumptions or sweeping generalisations, they are however statements of fact.
I'll try again.
Life is difficult, for everyone.
Full of challenges, for everyone.
Social economic background has no baring whatsoever, if it did everyone on a council estate would be a crack head junkie.
Everyday we all wake up and make choices about how we live our lives.
To somehow suggest that because bad things happen a person goes out and gets off their face and it's an affliction or a desease or,
because where you live and what you experience means that you go and become a junkie or an alcoholic is just plain stupid.
No one on the planet is predisposed to anything other than being male or female or of colour or not and i think you can even change those things if you CHOOSE to.
Agree or not it won't change the facts.
It's attitudes like oh i understand your pain suck this pipe drink this drink pop this pill you will feel better and the pain will go away, that are the problem.
In life there is no quick fix, sooner or later problems have to be faced and dealt with.
People CHOOSE to do this or not.
FACT.
The latter for some me thinks.
I make no assumptions or sweeping generalisations, they are however statements of fact.
I'll try again.
Life is difficult, for everyone.
Full of challenges, for everyone.
Social economic background has no baring whatsoever, if it did everyone on a council estate would be a crack head junkie.
Everyday we all wake up and make choices about how we live our lives.
To somehow suggest that because bad things happen a person goes out and gets off their face and it's an affliction or a desease or,
because where you live and what you experience means that you go and become a junkie or an alcoholic is just plain stupid.
No one on the planet is predisposed to anything other than being male or female or of colour or not and i think you can even change those things if you CHOOSE to.
Agree or not it won't change the facts.
It's attitudes like oh i understand your pain suck this pipe drink this drink pop this pill you will feel better and the pain will go away, that are the problem.
In life there is no quick fix, sooner or later problems have to be faced and dealt with.
People CHOOSE to do this or not.
FACT.
27 July 2011, 11:13 AM
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I think you hit the nail on the head when you said to someone else
<<Oh and as alluded to in my previous post you really should stop making assumptions about people that you don't know.>>
<<Oh and as alluded to in my previous post you really should stop making assumptions about people that you don't know.>>
27 July 2011, 01:21 PM
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Do people on here actually read what is written, then think about it before they reply or just scan and jump to conclusions
The latter for some me thinks.
I make no assumptions or sweeping generalisations, they are however statements of fact.
I'll try again.
Life is difficult, for everyone.
Full of challenges, for everyone.
Social economic background has no baring whatsoever, if it did everyone on a council estate would be a crack head junkie.
Everyday we all wake up and make choices about how we live our lives.
To somehow suggest that because bad things happen a person goes out and gets off their face and it's an affliction or a desease or,
because where you live and what you experience means that you go and become a junkie or an alcoholic is just plain stupid.
No one on the planet is predisposed to anything other than being male or female or of colour or not and i think you can even change those things if you CHOOSE to.
Agree or not it won't change the facts.
It's attitudes like oh i understand your pain suck this pipe drink this drink pop this pill you will feel better and the pain will go away, that are the problem.
In life there is no quick fix, sooner or later problems have to be faced and dealt with.
People CHOOSE to do this or not.
FACT.
The latter for some me thinks.
I make no assumptions or sweeping generalisations, they are however statements of fact.
I'll try again.
Life is difficult, for everyone.
Full of challenges, for everyone.
Social economic background has no baring whatsoever, if it did everyone on a council estate would be a crack head junkie.
Everyday we all wake up and make choices about how we live our lives.
To somehow suggest that because bad things happen a person goes out and gets off their face and it's an affliction or a desease or,
because where you live and what you experience means that you go and become a junkie or an alcoholic is just plain stupid.
No one on the planet is predisposed to anything other than being male or female or of colour or not and i think you can even change those things if you CHOOSE to.
Agree or not it won't change the facts.
It's attitudes like oh i understand your pain suck this pipe drink this drink pop this pill you will feel better and the pain will go away, that are the problem.
In life there is no quick fix, sooner or later problems have to be faced and dealt with.
People CHOOSE to do this or not.
FACT.
Agree, nobody is perfect but there does need to be a stiff dose of reality and responsibility dished out, ok situations, circumstances and events may conspire to make things more accessible or weaken someones resolve but pretty much everyone has the choice to say no.
I think its been fairly well illustrated that Heroin really screws you up, why take it however wonderful the high it cant be worth the impact to the rest of your life, you think your life is crap now and want to escape it, its a walk in the park compared to being addicted to that ****, if you do choose to take it then perhaps just deal with it, why should the rest of the society fuel your personal oddessey to kill yourself with benefits and all the stuff you rob from shops and houses ? why should other people have to clean up your drug dens full of infected needles, skanky creatures. I saw some lads at school go from standard, bit rough to drinking, smoking weed and then onto Glue, Butane, thinners and eventually Heroin, I can count seven that are dead, two sets of brothers, and I can say, to a man, they were all *********.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14308975
Its like this fella, wanting his gastric band who cant diet because of the medication, no you cant diet because you eat too much, the human body cannot create fat from nothing, it creates it from spare, unburnt calories, I am a bit overweight and I understand that, I know I can lose it but it requires much effort and not having the instant gratification of nice comforting food, any spare fat is a result of my laziness and lack of discipline, it isnt McDonalds, tescos, Inbev or my mums fault, its mine and my problem to deal with. That said when my pants dont fit anymore its time to stop eating for a while and do more exercise, not sit bitching about it over tea and biscuits talking to the Daily Mail, sorry mate you have made your bed over the last 62 years and are now lying on it, your knackered and only you can do anything about it but I suspect it is too late and really, the money should be spent on kids with cancer not fat ex coppers.
27 July 2011, 03:00 PM
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Do people on here actually read what is written, then think about it before they reply or just scan and jump to conclusions
The latter for some me thinks.
I make no assumptions or sweeping generalisations, they are however statements of fact.
I'll try again.
Life is difficult, for everyone.
Full of challenges, for everyone.
Social economic background has no baring whatsoever, if it did everyone on a council estate would be a crack head junkie.
Everyday we all wake up and make choices about how we live our lives.
To somehow suggest that because bad things happen a person goes out and gets off their face and it's an affliction or a desease or,
because where you live and what you experience means that you go and become a junkie or an alcoholic is just plain stupid.
No one on the planet is predisposed to anything other than being male or female or of colour or not and i think you can even change those things if you CHOOSE to.
Agree or not it won't change the facts.
It's attitudes like oh i understand your pain suck this pipe drink this drink pop this pill you will feel better and the pain will go away, that are the problem.
In life there is no quick fix, sooner or later problems have to be faced and dealt with.
People CHOOSE to do this or not.
FACT.
The latter for some me thinks.
I make no assumptions or sweeping generalisations, they are however statements of fact.
I'll try again.
Life is difficult, for everyone.
Full of challenges, for everyone.
Social economic background has no baring whatsoever, if it did everyone on a council estate would be a crack head junkie.
Everyday we all wake up and make choices about how we live our lives.
To somehow suggest that because bad things happen a person goes out and gets off their face and it's an affliction or a desease or,
because where you live and what you experience means that you go and become a junkie or an alcoholic is just plain stupid.
No one on the planet is predisposed to anything other than being male or female or of colour or not and i think you can even change those things if you CHOOSE to.
Agree or not it won't change the facts.
It's attitudes like oh i understand your pain suck this pipe drink this drink pop this pill you will feel better and the pain will go away, that are the problem.
In life there is no quick fix, sooner or later problems have to be faced and dealt with.
People CHOOSE to do this or not.
FACT.
they are your opinion,
to me it seems you dont have an appreciation or understanding of how the human body actually works.
social and economic backround does infact play a role partly in determining future, as much as may not like it. And this is not always the case, as you rightly say there are rich junkies - but it certainly plays a part in some!!
no mention of mental health and indeed just peoples different veiws on life - some people have very different ways of looking at things - just because you beleive something doesnt make it an actual fact.
and yes people on this planet are most definatley pre-disposed to certain behaviour - that is an actual fact. and addiction is part of that. there are infact people that are more prone to addictivness than others,
hence some people can give up certain drugs (yes in some cases its laziness, quite possibly a lot) but its not in every single case of drug users -to think so is truely niave and stupid.
from your posts it seems like you think every single junkie in the world, wakes up one morning and decides hey i know, today im going to start being a junkie.
id just like to state btw that i do infact not like junkies atall, i dont think they should be helped in society to the xtent they are, unless trying activley to come off drugs - im not a junkie lover lol.
i just am open minded about some things that im sure i have a small understanding of.
27 July 2011, 03:44 PM
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Im certainly not naive, maybe a little stupid for continuing to engage in this discussion.
Excuses are what people use to avoid dealing with problems and in my experience they are used to great effect by those not wishing to face reality.
If a person wants to go through life listening to using and making them for themself and others then thats fine by me as that is their choice.
Most problems have very simple straight forward solutions but people avoid these solutions and try to complicate and over analise and make excuse upon excuse as a means of avoiding doing what is difficult.
That is the reality.
Excuses are what people use to avoid dealing with problems and in my experience they are used to great effect by those not wishing to face reality.
If a person wants to go through life listening to using and making them for themself and others then thats fine by me as that is their choice.
Most problems have very simple straight forward solutions but people avoid these solutions and try to complicate and over analise and make excuse upon excuse as a means of avoiding doing what is difficult.
That is the reality.
27 July 2011, 03:50 PM
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Im certainly not naive, maybe a little stupid and a c*nt for continuing to engage in this discussion.
Excuses are what people use to avoid dealing with problems and in my experience they are used to great effect by those not wishing to face reality.
If a person wants to go through life listening to using and making them for themself and others then thats fine by me as that is their choice.
Most problems have very simple straight forward solutions but people avoid these solutions and try to complicate and over analise and make excuse upon excuse as a means of avoiding doing what is difficult.
That is the reality.
Excuses are what people use to avoid dealing with problems and in my experience they are used to great effect by those not wishing to face reality.
If a person wants to go through life listening to using and making them for themself and others then thats fine by me as that is their choice.
Most problems have very simple straight forward solutions but people avoid these solutions and try to complicate and over analise and make excuse upon excuse as a means of avoiding doing what is difficult.
That is the reality.