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Old 31 July 2011, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Yes. And the mind that twisted their's and the mind that twisted their's and so and so forth until you get back to the source.
That can be a path fraught with dilemmas. When you find out that the kid's grandparents were struggling to keep themselves going somewhere in a village in Iraq/Afghanistan perhaps growing a few poppies to raise some money to send their kid to school when at midnight some US soldiers kick your door in, abuse your sister and accuse you of anything they can think of. Something for the kid to remember and we wonder why so many hate the West?

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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
How would that be relevant unless you believe that the British state was at war with Muslims, just MP's don't count as they don't physically wield weapons?
Old 31 July 2011, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Why say Jihad is only permissible against those who are armed then?
Old 31 July 2011, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
That can be a path fraught with dilemmas. When you find out that the kid's grandparents were struggling to keep themselves going somewhere in a village in Iraq/Afghanistan perhaps growing a few poppies to raise some money to send their kid to school when at midnight some US soldiers kick your door in, abuse your sister and accuse you of anything they can think of. Something for the kid to remember and we wonder why so many hate the West?

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Can you name one muslim terrorist who was connected to such an incident?
Old 31 July 2011, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Can you name one muslim terrorist who was connected to such an incident?
No - but then I don't keep track of names as such and couldn't actually name one that wasn't which proves f,uck all.......

Are you suggesting that the US don't kick down doors and terrify the local population on occasions? All in the vain US belief that they are giving the country freedom and democracy.

Or are you saying that if above is the case then some little kid would quickly forget it?

As you should realise I was writing in general terms, not specifically about the subject of the OP as I don't have clue about his background.

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Old 31 July 2011, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
No - but then I don't keep track of names as such and couldn't actually name one that wasn't which proves f,uck all.......

Are you suggesting that the US don't kick down doors and terrify the local population on occasions? All in the vain US belief that they are giving the country freedom and democracy.

Or are you saying that if above is the case then some little kid would quickly forget it?

As you should realise I was writing in general terms, not specifically about the subject of the OP as I don't have clue about his background.

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Well I think you should think twice about making causal connections between the grievances of radical Muslims in western countries, and the actual experiences of say the people in Iraq.

Otherwise you are just reinforcing the Islamist narrative that all Muslims are one and the victimhood (real or imaginary) of Muslims in Iraq make the Muslims of the UK victims too and justified in carrying out terrorist attacks.
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I think it is hardly surprising that he was seriously upset at an illegal war on Iraq and all those many thousands of innocent Iraqi's who were killed during that war.

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Originally Posted by Leslie
I think it is hardly surprising that he was seriously upset at an illegal war on Iraq and all those many thousands of innocent Iraqi's who were killed during that war.

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Most of the Iraqis were killed by Islamists in sectarian violance.

Why does his 'upsetness' carry more weight that say yours or mine, and give him the right to do this? Are you saying it is because he is Muslim? Why should a Muslims 'upsetness' over an illegal war be 'special'?
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Most of the Iraqis were killed by Islamists in sectarian violance.

Why does his 'upsetness' carry more weight that say yours or mine, and give him the right to do this? Are you saying it is because he is Muslim? Why should a Muslims 'upsetness' over an illegal war be 'special'?
You are puttings words into my mouth Tony.

I did not say that it gave him the excuse to go around attacking people which it does not of course, but purely pointed out why he might feel that way and underlined the illegality of Billy Liar's actions in starting an illegal war with his egregious friend over the Atlantic for his own selfish purposes.

Would you feel that way towards some lout who attacked and killed someone close to you?

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