LEO-RS

Alloy, I wasn't going to post again but the car was dyno'd 3 times standard,

355bhp/354bhp and then the 3rd run got a little heat soaked at 346bhp. Post tune 3 x 410. Torque was 350lbft standard, 445lbft tuned. Audi tend to be conservative, quite a few cars now have produced 350+ out of the box.

Boost increased from 1.1-1.2 bar standard to 1.4-1.45bar tuned.

My manual car had a turbo back exhaust on it and gave 10hp more at 420 but I'm sure the advantage of the DSG box will far outweigh that difference. In fact I think it will actually be quicker to 130-140 than what the 490-500 manual cars will be. That is how much of an advantage I think the DSG box has over the manual (I'll prove it ) Auto shifting boxes are the only way to go for pure ***** out performance I think. Even with a flat shift at 0.25secs, the lag of going off throttle doubles this to around 0.5secs per shift. DSG is near enough instant so any gain a manual car has in gear it will lose out of gear during the shift.

I'll post some more logs up in a couple of days, I suspect it will go low 3 and into the 7s to the ton.

SPIDERWRX

410bhp at the fly :-)

whats at the wheels ;-)

LEO-RS

350ish IIRC

SPIDERWRX

so it only losing 60bhp being 4wd 15% ????

i thought it would be more like a 25% lost. like scoobys/rs4s ???

LEO-RS

Yeah, that seems to be around the norm for new gen Haldex.

Trout

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Best way to assess power would be a road dyno - no standing starts to neutralise the AWD advantage - just in-gear runs.

Terminator X

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30-130 is a good test then, you should bring your RS in 2012

TX.

Trout

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I am game if I am about :-)

Could also do VMax

banny sti

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Think I may give it a punt too

zip106

Best get your email sent to Craig at VMax asap then!

It'd be just perfect for you lot to settle it once and for all...

J4CKO

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0-100 in less than 8 seconds sounds incredible, can a TT really out accelerate a Ferrari F50 ? pretty amazing if its correct !

Trout

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A lot of these new 4WD cars with PDK style gearboxes do have very fast standing start times - there was an editorial in evo on it this month. Acceleration is not necessarily a differentiator of super cars.

Once you take out the standing starts - they may still be fast but not quite as stellar. Personally I think that in gear acceration, at the same power level, of a n/a car can surprise a turbo as they go off boost.

Having said that, super cars nowadays supercars are doing a 100mph in sub-7s - Mac, GT2 RS, Turbo S, etc.

SPIDERWRX

I thought FWD & RWD cars are always faster once rolling (with the same bhp) than 4WD cars

My 335i

bhp fly 382

bhp wheels 321

a 410bhp 4WD car would be around 310bhp at wheels (am i right about this??)

LEO-RS

Used to be that way back in the old days but in 2011 the losses are nothing like the 20-25% you used to see on the jap cars of the 90's. New generation Haldex cars are circa 15% loss

My figures are...

410 @ Fly
354 @ wheels

This works out at just less than 14%

As Trout says, it's the auto transmissions and launch control that flatter cars nowadays. Times have moved on, autobox is the only way to maximise acceleration performance.

The MLR 30-130 event is fair game for all cars. 4wd traction advantages gone and more about brute force and aerodynamics

As to vmax, the guy with the biggest horse power wins, bhp always wins (eventually)

Last lot of MLR results here....(The TT that run was a manual btw, auto should be quite a bit quicker than that)

Just look at how shocking the times are from the 2 x 400bhp Mk2 Focus RS's, 30-130, should be good for FWD aswell.

Vtec-Abuser

Pov's had standard cooler on that day too, so just map and Milly.

That spreadsheet has a few misprints to be fair, mainly the weight on a few of the cars and also the Vauxhall Astra did a 18.76, not 14.76..
Looking forward to next year's event already. Should be interesting to see how the 135i will compare to the Edition 30's time from this year.

You coming this year mate? I know it's a long way, but it would solve a lot of arguments if you were to compete against a lot of the big boys..

Oh and your right, the Mk2 RS' were pretty awful. There was no way they were running 400bhp though IMO. Mine was a good 5-6 seconds faster with 50bhp less?!?!?!

Terminator X

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^^ Which one are you on the list fella?

You can see me up there tbh I was well unhappy to get beaten by the RS as on paper I should be much faster I put it down to my standard 5th gear ... so slow once in to 5th

TX.

Trout

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Oooo - my old Impreza is on there. Not a bad time either!

Vtec-Abuser

Sunglasses Ron (other user name) - Golf GTI Ed30..

Have a mapped 135i now, so looking to see whether it can nip the Golf or not. Will be close to be fair as the VeeDub was a quick little ****** for what it was..

mattster12

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I too can't wait for 30-130 next year. I thought it was a really good event and have been for last 2 years. I was suprised how fast the ttrs was aswell.

Vtec-Abuser

Be good if a S-Tronic/DSG TTRS comes next year (Leo), as it should take another 1.5-2 secs off that time..

LEO-RS

Ben, I'll definitely be there next time mate. Would be hoping for a run around the 12sec mark at Marham.

You can see the advantage the DSG made to your car in comparison to the S3's.

It's the way forward, is your 135 autobox?

LEO-RS

Which one Trout? You didn't own the 7 sec monster did you?

LEO-RS

Spill the beans, 15hp A 5 or a 6 in front?

mattster12

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You've lost me I can't view the 30-130 results as i'm at work.

LEO-RS

In the table it is claimed your car has an estimated 15hp, obviously a typo, so is it 515 or 615 or something totally different?

mattster12

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I don't think I put anything cause I don't actually know. It was running a 20g with 20% meth mix on a forged 2.5.

Vtec-Abuser

Of course (DCT, so same as S-Tronic). A good 50bhp down on yours though mate..
Yeah it does make a big difference to be fair, but it all depends how good the person on the stick is when comparing against manual. It can take chunks out of a manual if you've got a numpty behind the wheel. But get someone that can flatshift etc then the margain is a lot smaller.
The S3's I was against had slightly more mods than mine (even though they were all S2+). But don't forget they are heavier too..

Trout

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Indeed I did - it was one of Lateral's early cars and I eventually sold it back to them. It was around 560bhp when I sold it. A ten second car with an eleven second driver!!

Vtec-Abuser

Is that the Banana mate? My mates drove that in last years Time Attack..

Trout

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Yes, Gavin drove it in TA.

The Banana was based on my car - now 100kgs lighter and 150bhp stronger!!!!