David Starkey's comments on Newsnight.
17 August 2011, 04:41 PM
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Sigh, do you not read these threads or are you just too keen to get typing?
Huge difference between identifiying the causes and justifying the actions. Pity you like so many others just assume that because one or two of us tell it like it is rather than clinging to the notion that Cameron has any more clue then the previous incumbents you then start trotting out the tired old 'so does the justify looting blah blah blah....'.
It had everything to do with the state of the country and the fact you and so many others don't see it is because you don't f**king want to!!!
Maybe you need to cling to the notion that Cameron is great and everything was Labour's fault so you can sleep better or something. Newsflash - the UK was in a **** state under Labour and is and will be in just as **** state under the Tories. They are politicians who only care about themselves. They do not care about you or I or anyone else.
Sorry if that bursts your bubble, have a nice day!
Huge difference between identifiying the causes and justifying the actions. Pity you like so many others just assume that because one or two of us tell it like it is rather than clinging to the notion that Cameron has any more clue then the previous incumbents you then start trotting out the tired old 'so does the justify looting blah blah blah....'.
It had everything to do with the state of the country and the fact you and so many others don't see it is because you don't f**king want to!!!
Maybe you need to cling to the notion that Cameron is great and everything was Labour's fault so you can sleep better or something. Newsflash - the UK was in a **** state under Labour and is and will be in just as **** state under the Tories. They are politicians who only care about themselves. They do not care about you or I or anyone else.
Sorry if that bursts your bubble, have a nice day!
If enough people call you a horse then maybe time to get fitted for that saddle
as for me "just keen to get typing" - pot and kettle eh!
why not act like an adult and keep the smart comments to yourself and have a grown up, big boy debate - go on, give it a go, oh, and without the oh so smart comments for once, i will if you will
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17 August 2011, 05:11 PM
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Just a thought but if so many people (like little old me) have the same/similar views does it occur to you that you may be wrong or does your ego and bloody minded self belief just keep getting in the way?
If enough people call you a horse then maybe time to get fitted for that saddle
as for me "just keen to get typing" - pot and kettle eh!
why not act like an adult and keep the smart comments to yourself and have a grown up, big boy debate - go on, give it a go, oh, and without the oh so smart comments for once, i will if you will
If enough people call you a horse then maybe time to get fitted for that saddle
as for me "just keen to get typing" - pot and kettle eh!
why not act like an adult and keep the smart comments to yourself and have a grown up, big boy debate - go on, give it a go, oh, and without the oh so smart comments for once, i will if you will
17 August 2011, 05:28 PM
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your attitude does you no favours, you consider anyone who disagrees with your view a fool/idiot/racist, etc dependant on the argument at the time. Try opening your eyes and your mind just once in a while, it will do you the world of goodNow back on topic
17 August 2011, 06:21 PM
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If these riots were "politically motivated" and owing, according to you, to Cameron's austerity policy, why do you advocate and promote death as the appropriate punishment for these victims of circumstance?
18 August 2011, 12:30 PM
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Sigh, do you not read these threads or are you just too keen to get typing?
Huge difference between identifiying the causes and justifying the actions. Pity you like so many others just assume that because one or two of us tell it like it is rather than clinging to the notion that Cameron has any more clue then the previous incumbents you then start trotting out the tired old 'so does the justify looting blah blah blah....'.
It had everything to do with the state of the country and the fact you and so many others don't see it is because you don't f**king want to!!!
Maybe you need to cling to the notion that Cameron is great and everything was Labour's fault so you can sleep better or something. Newsflash - the UK was in a **** state under Labour and is and will be in just as **** state under the Tories. They are politicians who only care about themselves. They do not care about you or I or anyone else.
Sorry if that bursts your bubble, have a nice day!
Huge difference between identifiying the causes and justifying the actions. Pity you like so many others just assume that because one or two of us tell it like it is rather than clinging to the notion that Cameron has any more clue then the previous incumbents you then start trotting out the tired old 'so does the justify looting blah blah blah....'.
It had everything to do with the state of the country and the fact you and so many others don't see it is because you don't f**king want to!!!
Maybe you need to cling to the notion that Cameron is great and everything was Labour's fault so you can sleep better or something. Newsflash - the UK was in a **** state under Labour and is and will be in just as **** state under the Tories. They are politicians who only care about themselves. They do not care about you or I or anyone else.
Sorry if that bursts your bubble, have a nice day!
By the same token,Cameron has done nothing significant in improving matters having broken his pre election promises which is unforgivable and remaining supine when ordered to do anything by the Eu. He and his fellow wets seem to worship Billy Liar's modus operandi.
We are are extremely unlucky with the lack of personal qualities and straightforward honesty in the majority of modern politicians.
Les
18 August 2011, 12:41 PM
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NL is massively at fault for what it did to this country while in power dragging it down financially and also to the depths of moral depravity.
By the same token,Cameron has done nothing significant in improving matters having broken his pre election promises which is unforgivable and remaining supine when ordered to do anything by the Eu. He and his fellow wets seem to worship Billy Liar's modus operandi.
We are are extremely unlucky with the lack of personal qualities and straightforward honesty in the majority of modern politicians.
Les
By the same token,Cameron has done nothing significant in improving matters having broken his pre election promises which is unforgivable and remaining supine when ordered to do anything by the Eu. He and his fellow wets seem to worship Billy Liar's modus operandi.
We are are extremely unlucky with the lack of personal qualities and straightforward honesty in the majority of modern politicians.
Les
20 August 2011, 09:05 AM
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Starkey has written an article in the Telegraph about what he said.
Starkey has a point. He doesn't always make his point too well - his appearances on Question Time will show that he doesn't mince his words (he is a mincer BTW to add to the NSR gay black and jewish fanclub
) and people do miss the point of what he is saying because the way he says things isn't very PC. Makes a change and good on him TBH. We need more people who aren't afraid to say what they think.
It also shows why politicians are completely hamstrung by the media. They can't say what they really think because the one wrong word and they'd be destroyed in the press. The population would ignore the context in which the words were said and just lap it up.
We are fools to ourselves.
20 August 2011, 10:50 AM
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Milleband is such a chump. Jumping on the "he's a racist" bandwagon and clearly completely miss-understanding what Starkey said - it indicates he didn't even see the program and was just told what to say if it comes up.
Starkey has a point. He doesn't always make his point too well - his appearances on Question Time will show that he doesn't mince his words (he is a mincer BTW to add to the NSR gay black and jewish fanclub ) and people do miss the point of what he is saying because the way he says things isn't very PC.
Makes a change and good on him TBH. We need more people who aren't afraid to say what they think.
It also shows why politicians are completely hamstrung by the media. They can't say what they really think because the one wrong word and they'd be destroyed in the press. The population would ignore the context in which the words were said and just lap it up.
We are fools to ourselves.
Starkey has a point. He doesn't always make his point too well - his appearances on Question Time will show that he doesn't mince his words (he is a mincer BTW to add to the NSR gay black and jewish fanclub
) and people do miss the point of what he is saying because the way he says things isn't very PC. Makes a change and good on him TBH. We need more people who aren't afraid to say what they think.
It also shows why politicians are completely hamstrung by the media. They can't say what they really think because the one wrong word and they'd be destroyed in the press. The population would ignore the context in which the words were said and just lap it up.
We are fools to ourselves.
On the one hand he sometimes seem to say that a sinister part of black culture is pervading our society and it isn't good yet in the next sentence he talks about educated blacks sounding white and use all encompassing terms like 'black culture' which leads me to believe he has an issue with blacks full stop! Can't make him out to be frank!
20 August 2011, 11:07 AM
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But the trouble is depsite all his 'straight talking' I don't know what he really thinks.
On the one hand he sometimes seem to say that a sinister part of black culture is pervading our society and it isn't good yet in the next sentence he talks about educated blacks sounding white and use all encompassing terms like 'black culture' which leads me to believe he has an issue with blacks full stop! Can't make him out to be frank!
On the one hand he sometimes seem to say that a sinister part of black culture is pervading our society and it isn't good yet in the next sentence he talks about educated blacks sounding white and use all encompassing terms like 'black culture' which leads me to believe he has an issue with blacks full stop! Can't make him out to be frank!
He specifically said the issue is cultural.
20 August 2011, 11:12 AM
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No he didn't and that's the whole point. That's where he starts and then meanders off down some path to I don't know where. Well I could hazard a guess, but best not!
20 August 2011, 12:08 PM
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But the trouble is depsite all his 'straight talking' I don't know what he really thinks.
On the one hand he sometimes seem to say that a sinister part of black culture is pervading our society and it isn't good yet in the next sentence he talks about educated blacks sounding white and use all encompassing terms like 'black culture' which leads me to believe he has an issue with blacks full stop! Can't make him out to be frank!
On the one hand he sometimes seem to say that a sinister part of black culture is pervading our society and it isn't good yet in the next sentence he talks about educated blacks sounding white and use all encompassing terms like 'black culture' which leads me to believe he has an issue with blacks full stop! Can't make him out to be frank!
Although this may or may not be his beliefs, he was is right in what he says. Low rent white folk want to act all gangsta (from black culture) and high rent coloured folk want to act like Lord and Lady whatyacallit.
You could argue that its nothing to do with colour and it's just what certain people choose as a lifestyle - it's just that the origins of that lifestyle began in either one colour or the other. Its more like we are actually seeing equality by the back door and not sure how to deal with it.
20 August 2011, 12:49 PM
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Two things I will pull out of you.
Firstly this gem of a quite:
This sort of black male [gang] culture militates against education.” “It’s not skin colour, it’s cultural.”
And then his assertion that because the riots didn't happen in Yorkshire, Wales, Scotland places he considers places of high cultural identity yet still quite high in terms of poverty it proves they weren't driven by the cuts, but instread by a failure of multiculturism.
Well they didn't happen in Burnley, Blackburn, Braford, Oldham, Leeds etc. all poverty stricken areas but all highly multicultural too. They did happen in Manchester which is not a particularly multicultural area... so basically he is talking sh1te at best!
21 August 2011, 02:40 AM
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this video hits on the head for me
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the perfect response to starky
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21 August 2011, 08:41 AM
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Yes and it's a complete mass of contradiction and frankly utter garbage.
Two things I will pull out of you.
Firstly this gem of a quite:
LOL!
And then his assertion that because the riots didn't happen in Yorkshire, Wales, Scotland places he considers places of high cultural identity yet still quite high in terms of poverty it proves they weren't driven by the cuts, but instread by a failure of multiculturism.
Well they didn't happen in Burnley, Blackburn, Braford, Oldham, Leeds etc. all poverty stricken areas but all highly multicultural too. They did happen in Manchester which is not a particularly multicultural area... so basically he is talking sh1te at best!
Two things I will pull out of you.
Firstly this gem of a quite:
LOL!
And then his assertion that because the riots didn't happen in Yorkshire, Wales, Scotland places he considers places of high cultural identity yet still quite high in terms of poverty it proves they weren't driven by the cuts, but instread by a failure of multiculturism.
Well they didn't happen in Burnley, Blackburn, Braford, Oldham, Leeds etc. all poverty stricken areas but all highly multicultural too. They did happen in Manchester which is not a particularly multicultural area... so basically he is talking sh1te at best!
Anyway he was saying that white/indigenous underclass were adopting this 'black culture' to give themselves an identity. It's the cultural thing per se, not necessarily where a high proportion of blacks dwell.
Just because some places did not riot are we to assume that they do not feature any of this 'black culture' he referred to?
Were there not riots BTW in some of the places you mention a few years back and people got jailed?
21 August 2011, 09:32 AM
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You see this makes me laugh, you believe what you want to believe to suit your own prejudices.
About 19% of Bradford is Muslim whereas abut 68% are white of Christian or no religion.
Mono cultural?
As for the rest of Starkey we obviously see different things. His message, if he has one, gets lost in his rambling contradictions for me.
About 19% of Bradford is Muslim whereas abut 68% are white of Christian or no religion.
Mono cultural?
As for the rest of Starkey we obviously see different things. His message, if he has one, gets lost in his rambling contradictions for me.
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this video hits on the head for me
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=3tacNkKjxPA
the perfect response to starky
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=3tacNkKjxPA
the perfect response to starky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tacNkKjxPA
As for the video I couldn't agree with him more. His comments at the start on Starkey's rant are exactly what I feel about it and said as much at the start of this thread. Good post
21 August 2011, 10:01 AM
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I wonder if Nabil even read the Telegraph article?
I really can't be bothered to watch 9 mins of strawman arguments...plus my internet connection won't like it.
I really can't be bothered to watch 9 mins of strawman arguments...plus my internet connection won't like it.
21 August 2011, 11:39 AM
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If you think Starkey is contradicting himself, what about the people he cites in his article as agreeing with him that 'gangsta' culture was either in large part to blame for the riots, or more generally a deeply negative force among inner-city youth - Tony Sewell, Katharine Birbalsingh, Tony Parsons, Lindsay Johns, none of whom are particularly well-known for 'racist outbursts'? Are they all equally misguided or culturally myopic as Starkey himself in holding similar views on the subject, or could it be he does actually have a valid point?
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If you think Starkey is contradicting himself, what about the people he cites in his article as agreeing with him that 'gangsta' culture was either in large part to blame for the riots, or more generally a deeply negative force among inner-city youth - Tony Sewell, Katharine Birbalsingh, Tony Parsons, Lindsay Johns, none of whom are particularly well-known for 'racist outbursts'? Are they all equally misguided or culturally myopic as Starkey himself in holding similar views on the subject, or could it be he does actually have a valid point?
Anyway whether some people agree with some of what he says or not doesn't change my opinion that his ramblings are a mass of contradictory prejudice driven nonsense. I have pointed out several examples of that in this thread and maybe you should watch the other video posted here with an open mind .... if indeed you could actually manage that
21 August 2011, 12:14 PM
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What about all the other 'people' who have claimed there are a variety of different excuses to those for the riots, maybe they have a valid point too... ah no of course not as it doesn't agree with you or your new hero Starkey LOL!
Anyway whether some people agree with some of what he says or not doesn't change my opinion that his ramblings are a mass of contradictory prejudice driven nonsense. I have pointed out several examples of that in this thread and maybe you should watch the other video posted here with an open mind .... if indeed you could actually manage that
Anyway whether some people agree with some of what he says or not doesn't change my opinion that his ramblings are a mass of contradictory prejudice driven nonsense. I have pointed out several examples of that in this thread and maybe you should watch the other video posted here with an open mind .... if indeed you could actually manage that
EFA
"Open Mind" Oh come off it - the irony, really you are the last person to talk about that!
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If you think Starkey is contradicting himself, what about the people he cites in his article as agreeing with him that 'gangsta' culture was either in large part to blame for the riots, or more generally a deeply negative force among inner-city youth - Tony Sewell, Katharine Birbalsingh, Tony Parsons, Lindsay Johns, none of whom are particularly well-known for 'racist outbursts'? Are they all equally misguided or culturally myopic as Starkey himself in holding similar views on the subject, or could it be he does actually have a valid point?
+1
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Well done! You have the infamy of being the first person I have ever put on an ignore list. You just aren't worth my wasting any more time on with your smart **** comments.
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Anyway whether some people agree with some of what he says or not doesn't change my opinion that his ramblings are a mass of contradictory prejudice driven nonsense. I have pointed out several examples of that in this thread and maybe you should watch the other video posted here with an open mind .... if indeed you could actually manage that