David Starkey's comments on Newsnight.
22 August 2011, 12:19 AM
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22 August 2011, 12:37 AM
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With respect, F1, I think you're wrong on this point. White gang culture is not the same as black gang culture. You would be able to tell the difference between White Glaswegian gang culture, or White Newportian gang culture if youths from other areas of Britain were affecting the dress style and language patois of those groups.
22 August 2011, 08:08 AM
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Well done for spotting one of at least three I have posted in this thread and a bonus point for actually understanding it 
How can I misinterpret jibberish? He isn't clear on Newsnight or in the article. You think he is because you hear what you want to hear in it and discard the rest? It supports your own beliefs hence of course you think he is wonderful. I think he's a ****! I have reached that opinion thourgh listening to him and reading his tripe not just because I want to not like what he says. Watch the response video Mus posted. That expalins perefectly how feckless his ramblings are.
He most definitely DID NOT make that clear! He started there and ends up rambling about the whole of black culture and how educated blacks want to sound white... what a load of nonsense.
Well I can tell you don't know anything about Manchester then. Mancunians are as proud of being from Manchester as anyone is about being from Yorkshire or the NE etc. Sorry, but that whole argment is utter bollocks and deep down you know it. The rioters in Manchester weren't from any gang culture,... in fact they are probablyinfluenced more by Liam Gallagher than any Jamaican gang culture LOL!
Starkey just took the opportunity to have a thinly veiled dig at blacks in general. End of!
How can I misinterpret jibberish? He isn't clear on Newsnight or in the article. You think he is because you hear what you want to hear in it and discard the rest? It supports your own beliefs hence of course you think he is wonderful. I think he's a ****! I have reached that opinion thourgh listening to him and reading his tripe not just because I want to not like what he says. Watch the response video Mus posted. That expalins perefectly how feckless his ramblings are.
He most definitely DID NOT make that clear! He started there and ends up rambling about the whole of black culture and how educated blacks want to sound white... what a load of nonsense.
Well I can tell you don't know anything about Manchester then. Mancunians are as proud of being from Manchester as anyone is about being from Yorkshire or the NE etc. Sorry, but that whole argment is utter bollocks and deep down you know it. The rioters in Manchester weren't from any gang culture,... in fact they are probablyinfluenced more by Liam Gallagher than any Jamaican gang culture LOL!
Starkey just took the opportunity to have a thinly veiled dig at blacks in general. End of!
22 August 2011, 11:58 AM
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I want them to have ambition not for material gain but for personal growth, and to be able to get up in the morning and be able to say that they are pleased with how their lives turned out and they got there through hard work and without hurting anybody, or appearing on Big Brother, or sleeping with footballers and selling their stories to the media. As I'm sure you will appreciate it's a good thing to be able to know that you got to where you are in life through a bit of hard work, and to feel proud about it.
I saw an example in the media the other day that there was a woman claiming £60K worth of benefits a year through housing benefits and income support etc; however she didn't have the skills to ever earn a salary anywhere near that, but if you took someone who was working for a living earning an equivalent salary, I bet the peron who was working would have amuch better self esteem. The latter is what I want for my kids.
I would be proud of them even if they fell short of their aspirations, just so long as they have them, and they get to a decent standing in life with their morals and dignity in tact.
I was brought up by my parents to ensure I didn't have a 'chip on my shoulder' and always take a long hard look at myself and what I could have done better if I was unsuccessful at something, I have emparted the same teachings to my kids, which they have embraced.
22 August 2011, 12:02 PM
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I think you must have missed my point here, I push my kids because I don't want them to end up on the scrap heap like so many other youths of today (regardless of race, a young life is a young life as far as I am concerned). They are worthy because of who they are and their personable qualities (in my unbiased opinion as their father).
I want them to have ambition not for material gain but for personal growth, and to be able to get up in the morning and be able to say that they are pleased with how their lives turned out and they got there through hard work and without hurting anybody, or appearing on Big Brother, or sleeping with footballers and selling their stories to the media. As I'm sure you will appreciate it's a good thing to be able to know that you got to where you are in life through a bit of hard work, and to feel proud about it.
I saw an example in the media the other day that there was a woman claiming £60K worth of benefits a year through housing benefits and income support etc; however she didn't have the skills to ever earn a salary anywhere near that, but if you took someone who was working for a living earning an equivalent salary, I bet the peron who was working would have amuch better self esteem. The latter is what I want for my kids.
I would be proud of them even if they fell short of their aspirations, just so long as they have them, and they get to a decent standing in life with their morals and dignity in tact.
I was brought up by my parents to ensure I didn't have a 'chip on my shoulder' and always take a long hard look at myself and what I could have done better if I was unsuccessful at something, I have emparted the same teachings to my kids, which they have embraced.
I want them to have ambition not for material gain but for personal growth, and to be able to get up in the morning and be able to say that they are pleased with how their lives turned out and they got there through hard work and without hurting anybody, or appearing on Big Brother, or sleeping with footballers and selling their stories to the media. As I'm sure you will appreciate it's a good thing to be able to know that you got to where you are in life through a bit of hard work, and to feel proud about it.
I saw an example in the media the other day that there was a woman claiming £60K worth of benefits a year through housing benefits and income support etc; however she didn't have the skills to ever earn a salary anywhere near that, but if you took someone who was working for a living earning an equivalent salary, I bet the peron who was working would have amuch better self esteem. The latter is what I want for my kids.
I would be proud of them even if they fell short of their aspirations, just so long as they have them, and they get to a decent standing in life with their morals and dignity in tact.
I was brought up by my parents to ensure I didn't have a 'chip on my shoulder' and always take a long hard look at myself and what I could have done better if I was unsuccessful at something, I have emparted the same teachings to my kids, which they have embraced.
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